The 2009 Off Season's Impact On The Future
The Red Sox, beleaguered by talks of a 'bridge period' earlier this off season, caught fans slightly by surprise with their recent flurry of activity within the MLB's Hot Stove Market. Marco Scutaro's arrival in Boston may not have warranted much commotion given the nature of his contract (the length in particular), but the lucrative 5-year deal awarded to pitcher John Lackey has some questioning the exact direction that general manager Theo Epstein is taking the club and the future of pitcher Josh Beckett in particular.
After a very quiet beginning to the Winter Meetings, the Red Sox designated nearly $25 million for next season's payroll with the additions of Mike Cameron and John Lackey alone, moves that will certainly effect those that subsequently follow -- both this season as well as the next.
What does this mean for the likes of Josh Beckett and Victor Martinez, both with expiring contracts, especially considering the addition of Lackey and the potential free-agency of catcher Joe Mauer? With over $50 million in expiring contracts coming off the books following this season, how will management approach the free-agent class of 2010, considered by many to be one of the deepest of its kind in relation to available impact players? If this season is still considered a bridge to the future, then what can fans expect to see from the front office at this time next year?
At the moment, Boston's payroll is hovering around the $170 million dollar mark for the 2010 season (which includes the money owed to former shortstop Julio Lugo). The following players are in the final year of their current contracts; David Ortiz, Mike Lowell, Josh Beckett, Victor Martinez, Jason Varitek, and Julio Lugo -- contracts that total $55 million. Assuming that Boston doesn't restructure any of the deals involving the aforementioned players, that gives management a large sum of financial freedom to address the incoming class of free-agents, a group that boasts talent trumping that which is offered in this year's crop.
Many have likened the situation to that which resulted in the Red Sox's 2007 World Series Championship. Prior to that season Epstein spent nearly $210 million ($209.1 to be exact) in acquiring J.D. Drew, Julio Lugo, and Daisuke Matsuzaka.
Again, with the assumption that none of the following players are awarded new deals during the upcoming season, here's a look at the free-agent class of 2010: Joe Mauer, Carl Crawford, Lance Berkman, Cliff Lee, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Carlos Pena, Brandon Webb, Jayson Werth. It's a safe bet that someone like Jeter will be retained by the Yankees, but even that scenario leaves a slew of All-Star caliber talent available for the taking.
Similar to last season when the Yankees cleared themselves of nearly $70 million in contractual commitments that led to the signings of C.C. Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, and Mark Teixeira, and ultimately a World Series Championship, Boston will find themselves in a very enviable position heading into next year's Hot Stove action.
It's a safe bet that Boston decides to let the contracts of Varitek and Lowell expire, but what about Josh Beckett and Victor Martinez?
After the signing of John Lackey, Theo Epstein immediately sent a text message assuring Josh Beckett that the addition of Lackey will in no way effect Boston's interest in re-signing him. However, we've seen this before, and nobody can blame Beckett for remaining skeptical regardless of how convincing Epstein may have appeared. After acquiring Curt Schilling in 2003, management sent a similar message to then staff-ace Pedro Martinez, who also found himself entering a contract year at that time. Martinez was not a member of the Red Sox in 2005 as management was never able to work out a deal to retain the right-hander, leading many to question Beckett's future in Boston. John Lackey received a 5-year deal worth $82.5 million dollars this off-season, raising speculation as to how serious the team is about keeping Beckett. It's hard to ignore the likenesses between Lackey and Beckett as pitchers, and with Lackey receiving a contract similar to that which Beckett is expected to command; did Boston simply sign Lackey to replace Beckett upon his departure? The situation is eerily similar to that which led to the end of the 'Pedro era' in Boston.
Victor Martinez is considered a very valuable commodity amongst the Red Sox's lineup. Martinez's ability to play both catcher and first base at a high level makes him just that much more appealing to the Red Sox, who currently owe him just under $8 million this season, making him widely considered one of the best bargains in baseball. However, there has been a lot of discussion recently surrounding the potential trading of first baseman Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox by the San Diego Padres. If that happens, how will it effect the way in which Boston approaches Martinez's expiring contract? With the versatile slugger likely to command big money in the open market, will Theo then shift his focus to Joe Mauer, assuming that he isn't re-signed by Minnesota this season? With Gonzalez coming to Boston in this scenario, Martinez's ability to play first base becomes less relevant in relation to addressing the team's need for a catcher. It's no secret that Theo loves the type of player that Mauer embodies, and with good reason, as Mauer is regarded as one of the best all-around talents in baseball. Martinez is an ample catcher, but Mauer is a great one. Couple that with the upgrade that Mauer would represent offensively as opposed to V-Mart and it's not a stretch to assume that the Red Sox would rather utilize a good sum of that newly available $55 million on the former MVP/All-Star/Batting Champion/Gold Glover [Mauer].
On the other hand, it's worth mentioning that there has been some speculation that the Red Sox may plan to invest in both Martinez and Mauer, shifting Victor to first base and affording them a more than acceptable option behind the plate on days that they would decide to rest Mauer. Obviously this scenario becomes more likely in the event that Adrian Gonzalez is not acquired via trade.
Another key element that makes Martinez less of a necessity is the availability of Lance Berkman and Carlos Pena next off season, both viable options to fill the void at first base in the event that Boston is unable to retain Martinez. Similarly, Beckett's contract demands may become less appealing given the pending free-agent status' of pitchers Cliff Lee and Brandon Webb and the newly acquired Lackey.
Jacoby Ellsbury and Clay Buchholz may also find their time in Boston heavily influenced by the free-agent class of 2010 and the moves made to this point in 2009. Both players have been mentioned in discussions surrounding potential trade scenarios involving Adrian Gonzalez. Does Ellsbury become more expendable with Werth and Crawford being available next season, as well as the recent signing of Mike Cameron? Does Buchholz become easier to part with given the potential signing of Aroldis Chapman and the potential free-agency of both Lee and Webb?
Every move that management makes from here on out must be calculated and will be heavily dependent on other deals that are or are not completed. For instance -- the addition of Lackey aside, even the situation at the catcher position effects the likelihood that starting pitcher Josh Beckett remains with the Red Sox.
Joe Mauer is believed to be in line to receive one of largest contracts in baseball history from whomever he decides to sign with. Therefore, if Martinez opts to explore free-agency and Boston decides to make a push for Mauer, it becomes less likely that they do so successfully while still being able to afford Beckett. Again, John Lackey's signing plays a major role in this as well. It's easier to let Beckett go and pursue Mauer with Lackey locked up for five seasons, and harder to justify retaining Beckett with the same thing in mind.
Going full-circle, it's easier to let Martinez walk with the addition of Gonzalez. In the event that Gonzalez is acquired, it becomes more feasible that Boston goes after Mauer, letting Martinez go and possibly making a concerted effort to retain Beckett.
It is still my belief that the Red Sox are pushing hard to acquire Adrian Gonzalez. In a previous article listed here, I explain that the Red Sox's moves to this point lead me to believe that Gonzalez is the most important player currently on Boston's radar. For one, signing Aroldis Chapman could help justify trading a young pitcher like Buchholz. Also, given the Red Sox's payroll commitments for 2010 and their still-glaring need to acquire a power-hitting corner infielder, the friendly nature of Gonzalez's contract for the next two seasons makes him the most appealing option for Boston if they truly desire an impact player to fill that void while still remaining within the $170 million dollar payroll goal set by Epstein.
However, the Gonzalez trade would be a blockbuster-type deal and is anything but a certainty. In the event that no progress is made in relation to Gonzalez, I think that Boston will shift their attention away from Beckett for the time being and make Victor Martinez their primary focus this season in terms of restructuring any of the expiring contracts. Talks with Martinez will likely correspond with the progress made by Minnesota in retaining Mauer. If it appears that Mauer will re-sign, Martinez should become priority number one in Boston. In the event that Mauer and the Twins cannot find common ground, the Red Sox will assess how badly they want to pursue Mauer, whether it be via trade or during the 2010 off season.
The point being that the signing of John Lackey, as well as any move made from this point on, does more than impact the future of Josh Beckett and the outlook of next year's club. Each move shifts the potential makeup of the roster for years to come. The job of a general manager is one of the most stress-inducing positions in sports for a reason and is not for short-sighted individuals. You can bet that Theo Epstein and the rest of the front office are making every move during the course of this off season with the next one in the back of their minds.
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I actually voted for Martinez...
Although I stand firm to my belief that Adrian Gonzalez is a strong possibility, I decided to vote Martinez.
I figure that he’s the safest bet to remain a Red Sox. Chasing Mauer is going to be a crap-shoot, and in the event that Boston acquires Gonzalez or Mauer, there’s still a chance that Martinez would then move tofull-time C or 1B/DH respectively.
If there were a poll asking who would be least likely to be a Red Sox in 2011, I would probably vote Mauer followed by Beckett unfortunately…
Curious to hear everyone else’s reasons behind their votes.
Fat Chance
There’s a greater chance that the Sox sign Jeter to a 4-year, $88M contract next winter than sign both Mauer and Martinez.
Agreed...
I am definetly not implying that there’s a strong chance of it happening, but the Sox acquiring Gonzalez and retaining Martinez would not be out of the finanial realm of possibility….assuming they don’t resign Beckett, that is.
by Logan Lietz on Dec 20, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'd have to think
this Lowell situation has increased the interest in Mark Derosa.
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
Why?
We already have a good bat, bad field third baseman. And Lowrie will give us Derosa’s versatility at a fraction of the cost.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Potentially..
but how reliable is Lowrie at this point?
by Logan Lietz on Dec 20, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Lowrie can't provide a RH OF bat
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
yes although
Derosa’s bat is declining (terrible last year), as is his fielding in the one position he played fairly consistently last year. And he wants a 3 year contract.
another great article
keep up the good work itrain2, good breakdown of the situation!
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions
Why are we worried?
Lackey’s deal is front-loaded. He won’t be making as much after 2010.
We also have to note the changes in the market. Prominent free agents are left wondering how low they’ll have to go (it’s like the housing market). Not even the Yankees are spending money. There probably won’t be many mega deals in the next few years.
Beckett should probably get Lackey money, and I anticipate him re-signing with the Red Sox. Martinez should be able to return too.
Lowell’s $12 million will be taken off the books. I don’t think Mauer is leaving MN. And a trade for Gonzalez is merely theoretical at this point. I don’t see San Diego trading him soon.
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Agree with all
There are no $$ issues with the Sox, so why so much worry? I just can’t get past the $180 mil. offered to Texeira last year.
Yes, free agent market now seems to be driven by simple economics of supply and demand – there just are not many teams looking to spend. Also, it appears there are two distinct markets – one for the players the Yankees want, and they are not adding much this season, and the rest.
Beckett should get a “tick” or more than Lackey money. Like it or not, these are extremely compettitive people and Beckett will want to be the highest paid pitcher on the team. He should be. Sure, he has had his ups an downs, but he is a warrior and his ups are dominant and the downs are not bad.
Trade Beckett now?
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
If we trade Beckett now
how much more salary is the front office going to have to keep eating up? While his 2010 salary isn’t unmovable, I can guarantee you any team that takes him will take him with a few million dollar discount.
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Not at all.
Beckett is good enough that nobody who’s gonna be in the market will balk at his salary.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 20, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
no reason for us to kick in one dollar of Beckett’s salary
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
Im not a big fan of trading Beckett
What will really get from that deal? He is on his last year, paid fairly well and wants big money next season. So you are only trading him to a contender and do you really want to face Beckett in the playoffs, especially a pissed off one?
Not me.
Again you would get next to nothing for him.
Trade Buchholz and you get something of value in return, but I think the Sox should keep all their arms and have the best rotation in baseball.
No "none of the above"
I don’t understand anyone thinking Martinez is extended. His numbers aren’t great for a 1st baseman unless he keeps up his pace from half a season with us. And he’s almost done at catcher.
Beckett is the most likely, but he’s going to want ace like money when he hasn’t been ace like in 2 years. Maybe if his price comes down due to a lack of a market.
Adrian Gonzalez I’m starting to think doesn’t get done. Theo prizes Buchholz now, to say nothing of the untouchable prospect duo.
And we don’t really have the money for Mauer anymore. Plus, I do think the Twins resign him.
USG
agree about all of it
especially about Martinez, unless he would sign a one-year contract, which would just be dumb on his part. He’s good at first, but there would be better options which wouldn’t involve Youk playing at third. We’ll see how he does catching the whole year- probably will decline. If he does fantastically this year I could see him resigning for a few years, but I doubt that will happen.
VMart "almost done at catcher" ?
What do you mean by that?
My thinking is that if they do not pursue Mauer, that VMart is by far their best option to retain at C. I don’t like him at 1B at all, but he puts up tremendous numbers for a C.
He shows no second-half decline common among Catchers with no durability. He’s caught full seasons at C with no decline. Offensively, his positional splits strongly favor him as a Catcher. He’s worked with both good and bad pitching staffs – I see no evidence in the numbers that his defense is a problem.
Is there something I’m missing? Why would you suggest that VMart is “almost done at catcher”??
I’m not saying he isn’t – I just don’t see it when I look the evidence I’ve been able to find.
Because he's already playing half his games at 1st base.
There’s a reason for that.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 22, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I gotta be honest
I’ve heard this so many times from people, but I jsut don’t see the correlation in his stats.
The only year he’s played significant amounts at both positions and had a better OPS at first base was 2009, but looking over the game logs, that’s just because he had an absolutely atrocious July, other than that he was solid offensively from both positions. During the terrible July, it’s worth mentioning that he was terrible from both positions, he just happened to be playing more catcher.
It’s also worth noticing that during that month, his BABIP dropped to a mere .186 (his career BABIP is .318 and he’s been fairly consistent about it year to year), so I would chalk a decent amount of that slump up to bad luck.
Are there any stats I’m missing that make this link? I’ve heard it from so many people, but just don’t see it in the stats.
And just what is that reason?
How much of that was just the ’Sox managing the transition off of Varitek?
In prior years, VMart has played multiple full seasons at C and has shown no typical 2nd half drop off in offensive performance.
This is the first year he played any significant amount at 1B – mostly in the second half after he came to the ‘Sox, with their logjam at C/DH/1B/3B. Beckett clearly made a stinky about wanting to stay with Varitek as much as possible – that’s several starts right there that VMart probably SHOULD have been at C.
If there are legitimate reasons – skill or health related – that suggest that VMart should transition from being a full-time Catcher, please share. I don’t see them in the data.
If that is the case, then I would definitely prefer to go after a different long-term Catcher solution. I’d rather have Adrian Gonzalez or Youk at 1B long term.
But unless we get Mauer (which I seriously doubt will happen), who looks to be a better option at C than VMart for the next handful of years?
I say there is an excellent chance Beckett gets dealt before opening day.
We ship Beckett to team X
team X sends us propsects
We ship those prospects and more for Adrian Gonzalez.
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
I don't think there are many situations where San Diego wouldn't want Buchholz as part of the trade
And there’s no way we’d give up Beckett+ Buchholz.
Buchholz's service time clock is ticking, he is attractive but perhaps not the perfect return.
If we fetched a nice haul in a deal for Beckett I could easily see a deal without him. Face it, this team will not pay Beckett and Lackey the $$ required to keep both. They won’t deal both, but dealing away Beckett could get us a very nice bounty.
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
I'm quite sure that San Diego wants a MLB-ready starting pitcher
And Buchholz’ service time clock is ticking, but it’s still every early. He’s still got a couple years to go until he hits arb.
I just can’t imagine any of the teams out there being willing to part with enough for a year of Beckett to comprise most of a deal for Gonzalez.
SD won't be competing in Buch's remaining controlled years.
perhaps if they got him to sign an extension buying out a year of FA or two but beyond that, it won’t matter if he is Cy Young. That team won’t win shit in the next 4 years.
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
they still need to field a team
they can’t just put out nothing but crap on the field and expect people to come to the games.
Buch has 5 years left of control
That’s not that soon. Padres, if they draft right and trade guys like Heath Bell and A-Gon for a lo, they could theoretically compete. Dodgers are stagnant, Colorado’s always a wild card, Arizona is…okay, still young and raw is areas, and the Giants are going to be paying Zito and Lincecum a ton in the next few years.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 20, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually not TOO unrealistic.
Especially with Bedard/Duch still on the market.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 20, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
so our starting pitching depth would look like
Lester/Lackey/Dice-K//Duch/Bedard/Wake/Boof?
I hope our guys in the minors have really good years. That would be an immediate leap from probably best rotation in baseball to biggest question mark in baseball. Everything just tells me that would be terrible.
Unless you're saying Buchholz would be involved in any trade. I'm assuming the prospects received from Beckett would take his place.
No way the team ships off both Beckett and Buchholz.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 20, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Buchholz stays in any scenario Beckett is dealt.
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
I don't think Beckett would net us a prospect capable of taking Buch's place in a trade.
The list of teams who would like to pay a very good prospect/prospects and $12 mill for a year of Beckett is pretty small.
yeah that's what I'm thinking
I know the Padres want a ML-ready starter, and I don’t think there’s anyone desperate enough for a year of Beckett right now that they’d give up a young quality arm for him.
If Beckett were made available I bet you would be suprised what he would fetch
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
there's very few teams that would be in the race
that can afford prospects and salary and would have a hope of extending him. The Angels… I can’t think of any others right now, and I don’t think we’d want him to go there. The Yankees but obviously that could never happen. I’m sure the Mets would love him but they don’t have the farm. Most of the teams who were desperate for good pitching and could afford it have already done what they needed.
Lester/Lackey/Dice/Buch/Wake/Bedard or Sheets
very solid.
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
The rotation is better with Beckett
Sheets wants a lot of money, and Bedard might not be ready to pitch. Forget A-Gon. He won’t be traded this off-season.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 20, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Does Bedard NEED to be ready by Opening Day?
Assuming Wake is able to go, we don’t need Bedard until Wake breaks down, whenever that is.
The question I’m asking myself is, if we don’t make a big trade between now and Opening Day (and I think it’s looking like we won’t at this point) where does Wake fit in with a rotation of Lester, Beckett, Lackey, Dice-K, and Buchholz? Can he fit into the pen? I’ve read that Wake’s age and injury issues means he needs a lot of prep time before he can pitch, not sure he can get that in the pen unless you let him piggyback someone else.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 20, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody likes Tim Wakefield more than me
But the Sox’ biggest worry isn’t where to fit in Wake. Beckett is too important to this team. He and Lester are the Sox’ two top pitchers. If you’re building a team around pitching and defense, you don’t gut your starting pitching by trading Beckett. Why go with two question marks: Wake and Bedard?
Also, it’ll be almost impossible to get value for Beckett because he is a FA after 2010. All signs are A-Gon won’t be moved. Let’s be realistic.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 20, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't say he was the team's biggest worry
Simply said it’s a question not many people have asked and I’m curious as to what’s going to happen. I’ve read that his routine to pitch takes a long time, and I was wondering how that would fit in with the team. I’m sure it’s something that’s already been thought of by Theo, but not much by the fans.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 20, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, what DD said
nobody is giving you anything worth trading Beckett. You are not getting Justin Smoak or one of the young arms in the Oakland system. You will get a AA player who might make the majors if he is lucky and you just ruined the best rotation in the MLB.
Nobody can put a rotation up like Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Buchholz + Dice-K. Nobody.
I wonder what Cliff Lee's return to the Phillies from the Mariners compares to what the Rangers could give up
Smoak? No, but I wonder if you could get them to give up Martin Perez and some minor piece. Probably not, but that would be a great return. Kid made it to AA at age 18.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 20, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bedard may NEVER be ready to pitch close to the level he has before
I find his injuries the most worrisome of all the buy-low starters
yeah probably Harden's true
but he’s already gone anyways.
He would’ve been a terrible fit for the Sox anyways- a #5 starter who only goes 5 innings.
Why risk the season on Bedard or Sheets
when Beckett is far more consistent, healthier and wants to be in Boston.
Trade Beckett?
Do we actually want to win or just see how many propsects or young players we can have? Sure, I like Gonzalez, but not at the expense of a top, proven ace-type pitcher. If Bucholz and a couple other prospects don’t get Gonzalez (and the Padres ARE NOT moving him NOW), move on, don’t obsess about one player. Theo isn’t.
It wouldn't be about seeing how many prospects and young players we can have.
We’re talking about for a legitimate bat. It’s a pretty big strawman if you’re going to say the Padres aren’t going to deal Gonzalez and then say that, therefore, Sandy’s idea of trading Beckett isn’t a winning strategy.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 22, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Mauer, etc.
Just forget about Mauer, there is no way the Yankees won’t pick him up if he wants to go for the dollars. If he chooses to take the famous “hometown discount”, and Mauer is actually from Minnesota, he is staying in Minnesota. The discount would have to be a big one compared to the money the Yankees will thow at him and the money Minnesota can pay.
If the Sox have $55 million to throw around in 2011, how about this -
Beckett – 17 mil. X 4/5
V-Mart – 16 mil. × 3/4
Dunn – 12 mil. × 2/3
It's not a guarantee the Yankees pick him up.
2 main reasons and some lesser ones.
But the two main reasons are called Jesus Montero and Austin Romine.
Regardless he’s staying in Minny.
If Mauer gets to FA, MFY will be in on him.
Just like every big market team. IF Minnesota doesnt extend him, like Felix, there will be a bidding war that will set new standards for a contract.
I think Mauers next contract gets highly overrated
First of he has an injury history, he is big and people always questioned how long can he stay at catcher, he prolly gets the biggest contract for catcher but he doesnt get an A-Rod deal, nobody gives him 10 years, not gonna happen
by German Red Sox Fan on Dec 20, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Montero probaby won't stick as a catcher
Romine would make a pretty nice back-up
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 20, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mauer is going to be the 1st player to not take the biggest contract.
Mauer stays with Minnesota.
$17m for Beckett over 4 or 5 years?
I just threw up in my mouth. He has a 4+ ERA for us, and has been terrible for consecutive postseasons, and appears to have chronic back problems. Stay far, far, far away from that trainwreck.
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Someone correct me
But dont the Sox get rid of Papi’s contract, Lowell’s, Lugo’s and possibly Beckett’s?
Thats got to be around 35-40 million. Why cant the Red Sox get Mauer or resign Beckett or VMart without moving anyone this season?
Mauer – stays in Minnesota for 18 million a year. Just my guess.
A. Gonzales will either be on the Red Sox by July or he will be on someone else’s team by July.
Beckett and VMart are interesting and depending on what they ask for in money and what happens with Mauer would determine if I resign them.
Mauer will cost minnesota more than $18 mill a year
because that number is an insult to what he’s provided them. They can afford more though when it comes to someone that important.
I dont think so
Mauer seems to want to stay in Minnesota and the Twins cannot afford a $20 million a year guy. So either he walks or takes less money. I m betting he stays for less but for longer. 8 years 18 million a year. thats my guess.
Mauer in Minnesota
My guess is Mauer stays in Minnesota. But they better get the deal done now. Once the Yankees start talking to him, and the process starts, it is easier for him to envision a move.
The interesting factor will be how long he and more importantly the team(s), feel Mauer can catch. The natural progression for catchers is usually to first, and the Yankees, and the Twins for that matter, have young stars at those positions. The Sox don’t for now.
I do not understand the people who say Beckett will be re-signed
No chance Theo pays Beckett 80 million + after giving Lackey same $$
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
Do you really think there is a team who is going to pay Josh Beckett
15-20 million a year? Maybe Texas, but Beckett’s deal will not be a big as Beckett.
Also, perhaps Theo has already tried to extend Beckett and got rejected and so the Sox got Lackey instead.
Beckett will get 90
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
I just dont agree
Lackey got his money bc there was no competition and there were at least 3 big market teams interested.
But i could be wrong, pitching does keep going up in price. I highly doubt the Red Sox or Yankees would pay Beckett the same deal as Lackey.
Beckett's agent will point at Lackey's deal for a comparison.
It’ll be about the same.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 21, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
I’d guess if Lackey and Beckett both perform close to equally as they probably should, I expect Beckett to get $85/5- just slightly more than Burnett and Lackey.
Of course with this long to go, any number of things could change that number in either direction.
Why not?
They were prepared to give Texeira more than the Lackey and Beckett money combined just one year ago.
Sure, in total money
But not on a per-year basis. Red Sox offered, what, a little over $21MM per year to Teixeira? Two guys making $16.5MM per year affects a team’s payroll more than one guy making $21MM a year. But the money is coming off the payroll, we could theoretically pay him if we wanted to. I’m just not sure Theo wants to pay him that much.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 21, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
How about signing Adam laRoche instead?
He is a .277 hitter, decent fielder and has 25 homers. In Fenway the dingers should go up by 5-1) the same as Bay. He may even increase his average by peppering the wall. But here is the thing he can be used as trade bait if things don’t go well by the trade deadline, offer LaRoche, and a major prospect as well as a couple second tier prospects for Cabrera or Gonzalez…. or even in trade to the twins for Mauer to get first refusal.
Papelbon
The Sox are committed to 80 million in 2011 for 10 players (Lackey, Drew, Youk, Dice-K, Lester, Pedroia, Tazawa, Wake, Cameron & Scutaro). Figure the payroll at a cool 150 million then you have only 70 million to split between FA and Arb players – 15 slots to fill.
Beckett, Martinez, Lowell, Ortiz would be FA (assuming Ortiz option not picked up)
Ellsbury, Buchholz, Kotchman, Hermida, Okajima, Ramirez and Papelbon would be ARB
Sorry
ended my post prematurely…meant to say…..
Papelbon will most likely not be back in 2011 for various reasons
I expect the Sox will trade Papelbon if they can find a team that will overpay.
If not, then they’re unlikely to try and shed 1 year’s worth of payroll. More likely they’ll just go over what they want to by 10 million for a year knowing it’s gone next year.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 22, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
The Sox have consistently indicated that they do not believe in paying huge amounts for a reliever, even a shut-down closer and will not be willing to pay Papelbon what he will want/should get in the open market.
Nothing against Pap – he’s been awesome, but I tend to agree with the Sox.
As of now,
the Sox payroll is closer to $150M than $170M.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
But
for purposes of accessing the luxary tax it is 170 or so, which is I suppose what the FO is thinking about.
Indeed.
They’re not looking at the payroll for appearances.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 22, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
yes this
the Luxury tax includes two things different from actual payroll amount- $10 million in benefits and the players salaries for Luxury tax are based on their average annual salary (for example, in 2010 Lester will be making $3.75 million, but because it’s in a 5 year/$30 mill deal, for the sake of Luxury tax, he counts as $6 million. In his last year, he will be making $13 million, but will still count as $6 million for luxury tax)
Just read your CBT explanation.
And I did not know they used the AAV for luxury tax calculations. Is there a site that calculates all that stuff for us?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Unfortunately not that I know of
I think somewhere around here we’re going to have a more detailed thing about the Sox specific payroll, and hopefully that’ll be part of it. Not sure when that will happen though… For now, the WEEI article I linked to in that post has the AAV in it’s summary of the Sox payroll

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