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Should Aroldis Chapman be donning Red Sox anytime soon?

Certainly one of the most hyped-up members of this free agent class, 21-year old Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman has seen his share of media coverage since he first defected earlier this year, during the much maligned World Baseball Classic.

The 6'4" lefty has been a kind of enigma since, though he is one of the hardest throwing lefties around (he's supposedly been clocked at around 102 mph), he's known to have some control and mechanical issues.  Despite this, he's managed to excite people into proclaiming him the best pitcher Cuba has ever seen and inspire thoughts of him getting a contract upwards of $40 million earlier this year.  Those speculations have since dropped down to earth a bit, but a lot of teams are still very excited by the prospect of him, including the Red Sox.  

Is Chapman's potential ceiling enough to offset his risk to the club?  After the jump we'll talk a little more about him and then watch some videos.

 

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A few weeks ago, Chapman did the rounds of a few teams and stopped off in Fenway.  He was supposedly going to throw off of the mound, but the weather was bad and I haven't found any reports of whether he actually ended up throwing.  In any case, all reports are that the Sox were impressed enough with him that he walked away with a $15.5 million contract offer- so far I haven't seen offers from any other teams publicly declared, so it's possible it's the only one he's had to date.

Tuesday, however, he had his first public workout and bullpen session, in Houston.  Scouts and GMs from about 14 different teams including, of course, a scout from the Red Sox, who are growing to become the main players in the IFA market between such signings as Daisuke Matsuzaka, Junichi Tazawa, and Jose Iglesias (another Cuban defector and former teammate of Chapman's).

So far the reports of todays session are few, but very positive.  According to ESPN's Jorge Arangure Jr., he was very impressive, seeming in shape and ready to pitch and showing no obvious issues with his makeup on the mound, having made some mechanical changes from his pitching in the past.  His fastballs generally were around 92-93 mph and topped out at 96, as well as demonstrating a slider and a changeup.  All of this, of course, was without a batter, which can always change everything.

 

But enough of what he's done today.  Let's watch a couple of videos and discuss what we can see from him.

 

This first one is the longest.  It's basically him, at age 19, striking out a variety of batters from the 2007 Baseball World Cup.  Keep in mind that in this video, he is 19 years old.

Video number 1:

Personally, I love what I see in this video more than I expected.  His Fastball tends to be sitting low in the zone and generally seems to be hitting between 93-96 mph.

 

The pitch that surprised me the most was his slider, which looks like it has some pretty nasty motion as it gets the the plate when he throws it right.  It's nowhere near the velocity of his fastball.

His changeup looks surprisingly effective in this video, but is shockingly slow, one time clocking in at just 69 mph, which seems a little excessive to me.

In these videos, he doesn't show the wildness I expected, but it may be just the particular at bats they chose to show here.

His delivery frightens me a little bit, it looks like a throwing style that would be very rough on the arm after a long time, but I'm certainly no expert on pitching mechanics.  It also looks to me like he is releasing his fastball at a lower arm slot than his other pitches, which may not bode well for him in the big leagues.

 

Let's move on to video number 2:

This is the shortest one.  It's one pitch from 2009 in the World Baseball Classic at Petco Park and really shows nothing useful except how wildly unpopular the WBC is in this country.  Just look at how many empty seats there are around.

 

And video number 3:

This one is a longer one, also from the 2009 WBC, and also, incidentally, on my birthday.  It is Cuba against Australia.

In this, to me, the 21 year old Chapman looks much worse than his 19-year-old self did in the very limited clips I've had available.  He is throwing harder- throwing mostly around 94-97, and topping out at 100 mph, but looks much more wild, having serious issues finding the zone.  His changeup is higher velocity than in the first video, sitting usually around 78-80 (the slowest one I noticed was 75), so maybe he found it was too hittable when it was so slow and adapted it.

Frankly if this is more like what Chapman tends to pitch like, he has a long, long way to go before he has a real possibility of being anything more than a reliever- he's just far too wild and throwing far too many pitches to look like he could effectively perform as a Major League starter.

 

I think if he joined the Sox, he could probably start in AA- especially if his former teammate Iglesias is there- and possibly work his way up to a September callup as a mop-up reliever- like Tazawa did in the end of last year- but I wouldn't project him as really being ready to really join the big league club before late 2011- probably about the same time-frame as Kelly if he performs optimally.  He will have serious issues to work out, however.  Apart from his probable control and possible delivery issues, he would have to adjust to performing in a whole new climate than he is used to- pitching in Cuba is not much like April or October in New England.  This would certainly take at least a solid year to adapt to.

 

I would probably say (if the money is still available after this extravagant week) that if he was willing to accept the $15.5 for say a 3-year contract, I think it would be worth the risk.  Probably if the price gets higher, it is not worth bidding for him, because there's a very big chance that he just won't be able to adapt properly to be an MLB starter.  There are still a lot of question marks about him, since still no one has seen how he pitches against the level of competition in MLB.

 

These are my rambling thoughts.  Any discussions?  Thoughts?  Things in my analysis you completely disagree with?

Poll
Is Chapman worth the Red Sox taking a chance on?
Yes, even if we have to get in a bidding war over him
201 votes
Yes, but not at more than the $15.5 million we offered, or right around there
398 votes
No, absolutely not, don't want this guy near the team
41 votes
I don't even like baseball, i just got lost on the internet and ended up here
25 votes

665 votes | Poll has closed

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Donde esta beisbol-referencia en Espanol?

Necessito mas estadisticas para decidir. Como puedo votar cuando no se nada sobre esto jugador?

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- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

I don't speak spanish

but if I translated correctly, I can’t find decent stats on him anywhere.

Here’s all I could find:
http://cubanballplayers.blogspot.com/2009/07/aroldis-chapman-defected-during.html

But that’s really none of the useful stats. Really, there is just very little information to go on for the kid other than a couple of individual games.

by wolf9309 on Dec 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I LOVE that Baseball-intellect writeup. Rec'd

That’s exactly what I was trying to find that I couldn’t, so I did my best poor analysis myself.

I must have been confusing the curveball for a changeup- I thought it was a kind of ridiculous break for a change, but it was so slow it confused me. Great writeup there.

by wolf9309 on Dec 17, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would definitely be interested in signing him

But I doubt I’d go over $20MM for him, even with his ceiling. I could see him starting the year out in Salem in order to avoid the miserably cold first month or two up in Portland though.

Of course, recent “guesses” from guys like Jorge Arangure and others have the potential bids up to $30MM so we’re back up to that number after being somewhat down for a while. I wouldn’t go that high for him, personally.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't mind but...

Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Buchholz, Dice-K, Wakefield as a backup….What’s the point of getting him unless one of those guys decides to leave Boston. I mean, yeah this guy sounds great but we just picked up Lackey and Chapman is asking for way too much especially when he has never pitched in the majors before. Plus I think lefties who can throw the heat have a good chance of hurting their arm and end up going through tommy john surgery like Wagner. The money could go down the drain. I like Chapman but too high of a risk because:
1. We have enough starters
2. Risk of injury for a guy asking for alot of money

by n0va on Dec 17, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Well Chapman would not be a signing for the 2010 rotation

He would be for the future. Probably wouldn’t be up for the real rotation before the 2nd half of 2011 would be my guess- which will be Wake’s last year, and he probably won’t be healthy for it. He is more of a thouht for the future than the present.

I don’t think lefties are more of a risk for TJS than righties. There’s no physical reason that lefties can’t pitch fast, it’s just few really hard-throwing lefties are successful because they tend to need to be more accurate than righties, in general. Wagner also didn’t need TJS until he was 37. We probably wouldn’t sign Chapman for 16 years.

by wolf9309 on Dec 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd have value

If you can accumulate assets at a certain value (say $15.5m) and flip them for more value (say, in a package for a big-time bat), then it’s worth it.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 17, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

think of it like a draft. You draft for potential, not for depth.

by wolf9309 on Dec 17, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

More Pitching Needed

Sign him at any cost. You can’t have enough pitching, Dice-K looked like crap last year. Smoltz was a disaster. Wakefield looks like he will pitch into his 80s, (which is at least 5 years away), but how long can he be effective? What ever happened to Brad Penny? Only Lester, Becket and Lackey are solid, and age is creeping in there as well. The AL East is a tough place as we have found out the past couple of years. We need to keep stocking the team with arms.

by yazooks on Dec 17, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Yazooks

Have you not seen Dice-K come back after getting back in shape his last few games? 24.1 innings and only gave up 6 runs. Dice-K is back to his old self after working back up while on the 60-day DL. Brad Penny couldn’t handle the tough division with Boston and he was responsible for many of the stolen bases last season. Have you forgotten Buchholz in the solid column? He’s young and has a strong arm. He did quite well with Boston last year considering that he wasn’t even supposed to be pitching in the majors until Wakefield was hurt. 6 out of his last 10 games excluding his playoff debut he gave up 1 or no runs. Is that solid or what? :)

by n0va on Dec 17, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Buchholz did do a fine job in his debut season. So did Mark “the Bird” Fidrych, Joba Chamberlain and the Jonas Brothers before finally settling into their true level of mediocrity. Like the stock market, there is a natural readjustment after every big gain. Buchholz has not even been around the league once yet. Once the hitters have seen him and discovered his weaknesses and tendencies, success may not come so easy. It is way too optimistic to list him in the “solid” column based on such a limited career sampling and the Red Sox long and painful history of unfulfilled expectations. We need an arm who can deliver another 10 wins if we are going to avoid the embarrassment we suffered last year at the hands of the Evil Empire.

by yazooks on Dec 18, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can get Chapman and maybe Justin Duchscherer we could get away building a package for Adrian Gonzalez based around Buchholz. Duchscherer could come in and be a solid 5/6 starter with Wakefield and then Chapman could take Buchholz spot in 2011 as a young power arm. Then we could trade maybe Buchholz, Westmoreland, and some other prospects for AG. They get the Starting Pitcher they need, a really good outfield prospect, and whatever other prospects the Sox end up giving. Sox keep Ells and Kelly and also Get AG. One of Chapman/Kelly will make us forget about the loss of Buccholz in 1.5-3 years, and Duchscherer will be a good band-aid until one of them are ready

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Dec 18, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

or someone other then Duchscherer…forgot about all of his injury / mental problems.

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Dec 18, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Chapman would make losing Buchholz hurt less

If anything I could maybe see it happening midseason, but not beforehand, and probably without Duch- have the 1-5 we have right now pitch the first half, then for the second half move Buchholz and have Wake pitch. I could see it happening but I’m not convinced it would be the right thing, I’m kinda torn on this one.

If we wanted another starter, Duch would probably be the best choice available- his injury issues weren’t too worrying and by all accounts his mental issues are improving- he’s letting teams view his full medical records AND meet with his therapist. I think Lackey made it so he’s out though.

by wolf9309 on Dec 18, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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