Should Aroldis Chapman be donning Red Sox anytime soon?
Certainly one of the most hyped-up members of this free agent class, 21-year old Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman has seen his share of media coverage since he first defected earlier this year, during the much maligned World Baseball Classic.
The 6'4" lefty has been a kind of enigma since, though he is one of the hardest throwing lefties around (he's supposedly been clocked at around 102 mph), he's known to have some control and mechanical issues. Despite this, he's managed to excite people into proclaiming him the best pitcher Cuba has ever seen and inspire thoughts of him getting a contract upwards of $40 million earlier this year. Those speculations have since dropped down to earth a bit, but a lot of teams are still very excited by the prospect of him, including the Red Sox.
Is Chapman's potential ceiling enough to offset his risk to the club? After the jump we'll talk a little more about him and then watch some videos.
A few weeks ago, Chapman did the rounds of a few teams and stopped off in Fenway. He was supposedly going to throw off of the mound, but the weather was bad and I haven't found any reports of whether he actually ended up throwing. In any case, all reports are that the Sox were impressed enough with him that he walked away with a $15.5 million contract offer- so far I haven't seen offers from any other teams publicly declared, so it's possible it's the only one he's had to date.
Tuesday, however, he had his first public workout and bullpen session, in Houston. Scouts and GMs from about 14 different teams including, of course, a scout from the Red Sox, who are growing to become the main players in the IFA market between such signings as Daisuke Matsuzaka, Junichi Tazawa, and Jose Iglesias (another Cuban defector and former teammate of Chapman's).
So far the reports of todays session are few, but very positive. According to ESPN's Jorge Arangure Jr., he was very impressive, seeming in shape and ready to pitch and showing no obvious issues with his makeup on the mound, having made some mechanical changes from his pitching in the past. His fastballs generally were around 92-93 mph and topped out at 96, as well as demonstrating a slider and a changeup. All of this, of course, was without a batter, which can always change everything.
But enough of what he's done today. Let's watch a couple of videos and discuss what we can see from him.
This first one is the longest. It's basically him, at age 19, striking out a variety of batters from the 2007 Baseball World Cup. Keep in mind that in this video, he is 19 years old.
Personally, I love what I see in this video more than I expected. His Fastball tends to be sitting low in the zone and generally seems to be hitting between 93-96 mph.
The pitch that surprised me the most was his slider, which looks like it has some pretty nasty motion as it gets the the plate when he throws it right. It's nowhere near the velocity of his fastball.
His changeup looks surprisingly effective in this video, but is shockingly slow, one time clocking in at just 69 mph, which seems a little excessive to me.
In these videos, he doesn't show the wildness I expected, but it may be just the particular at bats they chose to show here.
His delivery frightens me a little bit, it looks like a throwing style that would be very rough on the arm after a long time, but I'm certainly no expert on pitching mechanics. It also looks to me like he is releasing his fastball at a lower arm slot than his other pitches, which may not bode well for him in the big leagues.
Let's move on to video number 2:
This is the shortest one. It's one pitch from 2009 in the World Baseball Classic at Petco Park and really shows nothing useful except how wildly unpopular the WBC is in this country. Just look at how many empty seats there are around.
This one is a longer one, also from the 2009 WBC, and also, incidentally, on my birthday. It is Cuba against Australia.
In this, to me, the 21 year old Chapman looks much worse than his 19-year-old self did in the very limited clips I've had available. He is throwing harder- throwing mostly around 94-97, and topping out at 100 mph, but looks much more wild, having serious issues finding the zone. His changeup is higher velocity than in the first video, sitting usually around 78-80 (the slowest one I noticed was 75), so maybe he found it was too hittable when it was so slow and adapted it.
Frankly if this is more like what Chapman tends to pitch like, he has a long, long way to go before he has a real possibility of being anything more than a reliever- he's just far too wild and throwing far too many pitches to look like he could effectively perform as a Major League starter.
I think if he joined the Sox, he could probably start in AA- especially if his former teammate Iglesias is there- and possibly work his way up to a September callup as a mop-up reliever- like Tazawa did in the end of last year- but I wouldn't project him as really being ready to really join the big league club before late 2011- probably about the same time-frame as Kelly if he performs optimally. He will have serious issues to work out, however. Apart from his probable control and possible delivery issues, he would have to adjust to performing in a whole new climate than he is used to- pitching in Cuba is not much like April or October in New England. This would certainly take at least a solid year to adapt to.
I would probably say (if the money is still available after this extravagant week) that if he was willing to accept the $15.5 for say a 3-year contract, I think it would be worth the risk. Probably if the price gets higher, it is not worth bidding for him, because there's a very big chance that he just won't be able to adapt properly to be an MLB starter. There are still a lot of question marks about him, since still no one has seen how he pitches against the level of competition in MLB.
These are my rambling thoughts. Any discussions? Thoughts? Things in my analysis you completely disagree with?
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Donde esta beisbol-referencia en Espanol?
Necessito mas estadisticas para decidir. Como puedo votar cuando no se nada sobre esto jugador?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I don't speak spanish
but if I translated correctly, I can’t find decent stats on him anywhere.
Here’s all I could find:
http://cubanballplayers.blogspot.com/2009/07/aroldis-chapman-defected-during.html
But that’s really none of the useful stats. Really, there is just very little information to go on for the kid other than a couple of individual games.
About translating Chapman numbers from the Cuban League to the MLB
I remember Baseball Prospectus doing a study to evaluate the level of play in Cuba (Click)
And here’s what they found:
By comparing the statistics of players who have left Cuba and come to the US—such as Yuniesky Betancourt, Kendry Morales, and Alexei Ramirez—in terms what they’ve done there and then once they reach the majors, we can get a good idea of the level of play in Cuba. The changes in their statistics suggests that the Cuban level of play is similar to the Low-A leagues here in the US, so something like the South Atlantic or Midwest leagues.
I found the comparison a bit harsh: After all, Kendry Morales is one of the top hitting 1st Baseman in the AL and he dominated AAA level right away posting a .380 wOBA, He was struggling evrey time they moved him to the show and as soon as he get’s back to AAA he dominates again posting a .379 and .387 wOBA respectively in his second and 3rd stint. Meaning, don’t put too much credit in those numbers!
Now, if the Sox decide to sign him, I expect them to send him the AA to work on his command (the strike zone is smaller in the US) an aspect that he admitted him self
Chapman has holes, and is aware of them. “I need to improve my control,” he says. “In the last two years, I’ve had more control. I’ve trained a lot and improved a lot. Now, I think I have a little more room for improvement.”
For those of you who are interrested in his delivery and mechanics: Here‘s an interesting read. They come to this conclusion:
Best Case Outcome – No. 1 starter
More Likely Outcome – Power arm closer out of the bullpen
I’m interested in signing him? Sure! The questions that I have are about his mental make up (I have a lot of concerns about this very important aspect)
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Dec 17, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I LOVE that Baseball-intellect writeup. Rec'd
That’s exactly what I was trying to find that I couldn’t, so I did my best poor analysis myself.
I must have been confusing the curveball for a changeup- I thought it was a kind of ridiculous break for a change, but it was so slow it confused me. Great writeup there.
I would definitely be interested in signing him
But I doubt I’d go over $20MM for him, even with his ceiling. I could see him starting the year out in Salem in order to avoid the miserably cold first month or two up in Portland though.
Of course, recent “guesses” from guys like Jorge Arangure and others have the potential bids up to $30MM so we’re back up to that number after being somewhat down for a while. I wouldn’t go that high for him, personally.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions
If we did sign him, we'd probably stick him wherever Iglesias ends up.
Ease the transition for them both.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 17, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind but...
Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Buchholz, Dice-K, Wakefield as a backup….What’s the point of getting him unless one of those guys decides to leave Boston. I mean, yeah this guy sounds great but we just picked up Lackey and Chapman is asking for way too much especially when he has never pitched in the majors before. Plus I think lefties who can throw the heat have a good chance of hurting their arm and end up going through tommy john surgery like Wagner. The money could go down the drain. I like Chapman but too high of a risk because:
1. We have enough starters
2. Risk of injury for a guy asking for alot of money
Well Chapman would not be a signing for the 2010 rotation
He would be for the future. Probably wouldn’t be up for the real rotation before the 2nd half of 2011 would be my guess- which will be Wake’s last year, and he probably won’t be healthy for it. He is more of a thouht for the future than the present.
I don’t think lefties are more of a risk for TJS than righties. There’s no physical reason that lefties can’t pitch fast, it’s just few really hard-throwing lefties are successful because they tend to need to be more accurate than righties, in general. Wagner also didn’t need TJS until he was 37. We probably wouldn’t sign Chapman for 16 years.
He'd have value
If you can accumulate assets at a certain value (say $15.5m) and flip them for more value (say, in a package for a big-time bat), then it’s worth it.
"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen
More Pitching Needed
Sign him at any cost. You can’t have enough pitching, Dice-K looked like crap last year. Smoltz was a disaster. Wakefield looks like he will pitch into his 80s, (which is at least 5 years away), but how long can he be effective? What ever happened to Brad Penny? Only Lester, Becket and Lackey are solid, and age is creeping in there as well. The AL East is a tough place as we have found out the past couple of years. We need to keep stocking the team with arms.
Yazooks
Have you not seen Dice-K come back after getting back in shape his last few games? 24.1 innings and only gave up 6 runs. Dice-K is back to his old self after working back up while on the 60-day DL. Brad Penny couldn’t handle the tough division with Boston and he was responsible for many of the stolen bases last season. Have you forgotten Buchholz in the solid column? He’s young and has a strong arm. He did quite well with Boston last year considering that he wasn’t even supposed to be pitching in the majors until Wakefield was hurt. 6 out of his last 10 games excluding his playoff debut he gave up 1 or no runs. Is that solid or what? :)
Buchholz did do a fine job in his debut season. So did Mark “the Bird” Fidrych, Joba Chamberlain and the Jonas Brothers before finally settling into their true level of mediocrity. Like the stock market, there is a natural readjustment after every big gain. Buchholz has not even been around the league once yet. Once the hitters have seen him and discovered his weaknesses and tendencies, success may not come so easy. It is way too optimistic to list him in the “solid” column based on such a limited career sampling and the Red Sox long and painful history of unfulfilled expectations. We need an arm who can deliver another 10 wins if we are going to avoid the embarrassment we suffered last year at the hands of the Evil Empire.
I'd sign him.
But I foresee a nasty bidding war. My money is on the Yanks.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
If we can get Chapman and maybe Justin Duchscherer we could get away building a package for Adrian Gonzalez based around Buchholz. Duchscherer could come in and be a solid 5/6 starter with Wakefield and then Chapman could take Buchholz spot in 2011 as a young power arm. Then we could trade maybe Buchholz, Westmoreland, and some other prospects for AG. They get the Starting Pitcher they need, a really good outfield prospect, and whatever other prospects the Sox end up giving. Sox keep Ells and Kelly and also Get AG. One of Chapman/Kelly will make us forget about the loss of Buccholz in 1.5-3 years, and Duchscherer will be a good band-aid until one of them are ready
by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Dec 18, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions
or someone other then Duchscherer…forgot about all of his injury / mental problems.
by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Dec 18, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Chapman would make losing Buchholz hurt less
If anything I could maybe see it happening midseason, but not beforehand, and probably without Duch- have the 1-5 we have right now pitch the first half, then for the second half move Buchholz and have Wake pitch. I could see it happening but I’m not convinced it would be the right thing, I’m kinda torn on this one.
If we wanted another starter, Duch would probably be the best choice available- his injury issues weren’t too worrying and by all accounts his mental issues are improving- he’s letting teams view his full medical records AND meet with his therapist. I think Lackey made it so he’s out though.

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