AP: Red Sox, Mike Cameron Reach Two-Year Deal
by Randy Booth on Dec 14, 2009 9:13 PM EST
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According to the Associated Press, the Red Sox and Mike Cameron have come to an agreement on a two-year deal:
Boston also reached a tentative agreement on a two-year contract with outfielder Mike Cameron, according to a person familiar with those negotiations. That deal is subject to a physical, the person said on condition of anonymity because the agreement was not yet final.
Ken Rosenthal is reporting it's a two-year deal worth $15.5 million.
Great deal for the Red Sox here. Not even $8 million per season for one of the best center fielders in the game? I love it. Cameron should also see a nice improvement in numbers playing in Fenway Park for 81 games. He has a lifetime .778 OPS in 82 at-bats in Fenway, but that could be better once it becomes his "home park."
SI's Jon Heyman reports that Cameron could platoon with Jeremy Hermida, but I think that's questionable. Terry Francona will want that solid defense on a daily basis. Heyman is also assuming Cameron is the Red Sox's left fielder, not center fielder. The Herald's Michael Silverman says Cameron is willing to play left field or center field.
What do you think, Red Sox fans?
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Interesting Question
Could Cameron’s superior OF defense in LF actually improve Ellsbury’s in CF?? With Bay roaming out there Ells had to cover a lot more ground. Can’t wait til the first time they both try and call each other off the ball!!
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
by the most if he plays center and ells plays left.
At any rate, Ells hopefully has a great CF mentor right next to him.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awsome
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Comparitive Stats
2009 WAR for CFers
Cameron 4th – 4.3
Granderson – 11th – 3.4
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow.
i expect both those numbers to go up, but i guess win for us.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Though in terms of ranking,
Cameron is now a LF.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy.
we are now a pitching and defense juggernaut. cameron will hit better in fenway, too.
but now that we aren’t getting bay or holliday, i’m afraid the yankees will swoop in for one of them. unless they’re serious about cutting payroll, i find it hard to believe they won’t get one of them. if they don’t, call the division ours, because all their ancient guys will come crashing back to earth. if they get bay or holliday, it’ll just be that much more interesting a year.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also,
what about 3B? can we still afford beltre? or is it gonna be youk and kotch? (ugh)
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't afford Cameron and Lackey.
All payroll bets are officially off.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 14, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well after this year
lowell, ortiz, lugo, varitek and beckett are all gone. that should help
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't Cameron's D be wasted in left?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess. For me, it's all about Ells because his D is better in left.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
theres been talk around here
of switching ells to left. if he sucks again in center next year they’ll make the switch
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have folks forgotten Coco already?
Francona played Ells in left whenever he and Coco were in the same lineup.
He’s gotta be aware that Theo just got him a CF of the same caliber as Coco – actually Cameron is better because Cameron has a much better arm.
It would not make baseball sense to keep Ells in LF when Cameron is in the lineup.
by mmmmm on Dec 15, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Incumbency is an issue since Tito is a players manager.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if they made this Theo's call
at least to start, because it really is a waste to sign someone known for amazing defense to play left at the monster.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you mean
keep Ells in CF? (w/ cameron in the lineup)
by Schulz on Dec 15, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the pickup
But how’s his clubhouse presense? He’s bounced around quite a bit…
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by mystman995 on Dec 14, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
By all accounts hes a great guy.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clubhouse
Everything I’ve read is that he is great in the clubhouse
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know
Anybody know why he’s been from team to team?
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by mystman995 on Dec 14, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His skills are undervalued by traditionally minded GMs.
by Gnick on Dec 14, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of K's, not a great average
defense is harder to measure and undervalued.
He will probably always get some of the blame from fans when the offense is struggling, just because he does K a lot, but his bat is generally good.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I watched him a lot when he was in Seattle.
He’s got a great attitude – he came into a situation where there was a lot of pressure on him to be the next Griffey, Jr., and handled it very well. Smiles a lot and is talkative and lets bad things slide off him. Plays very hard in the field – Red Sox fans will love him in the field – though some will get frustrated when he strikes out in key situations.
But then, Bay posted quite a few Ks himself.
by mmmmm on Dec 15, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great day for Sox fans
Now lets see what becomes of the Aroldis Chapman contract…
by ritz on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hehe
forgot all about him. i feel evil with greed…
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little worried about that. You never know what you are getting with those Latin American players.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i read somewhere on this site earlier
that money for international FA’s comes from a different place in the organization than our payroll does. i guess that a 15 mil contract for him would not add to our payroll. and if thats the case, fucking get him.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine as long as it does not take away from a safer option.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All I have to say about that is...
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by mystman995 on Dec 14, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that is totally how it came off
HAHA
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I wasn't at all offended
I just try and use that GIF as much as possible. I love it.
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by mystman995 on Dec 14, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Awesome.
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by Randy Booth on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at a serious drop in offensive production in 2010
I like Mike Cameron, I liked him a lot more in 2003. Guy is 37 and hasn’t played in the AL in what 8 years at least.
We’re going to need to see a Beltre I guess at 3rd, or perhaps there’s going to be a major push for Gonzalez @ 1st base.
Without one of those Sox could end up having the best team defense and best ERA in the AL, but lose even more 1 run games then last year.
by JonnyNYC on Dec 14, 2009 9:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget that we now have a full year of V-mart.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
our offense will be great
Cameron is a downgrade offensively from bay obviously, but he’s a power bat, and he’ll slug higher in the AL East than the NL central, no doubt.
if we get beltre, i would expect our offense to be better than last year. its just a matter of money now. but even if we don’t get him, our pitching and defense are so dramatically improved by the signings today that it might not matter.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still
The fact remains that we aren’t better offensively at any position than the Yankees, and pitching depends entirely on their health.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
our entire outfield is better offensively than the yankees
so is our catcher. 1B and 2B are debatable, 3B will go to the yanks, and although Jeter is way better than scutaro, expect major regression from jeter, while scutaro should only regress a little.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Posada should regress too.
Or spend much more time at DH.
Although It’s tough to project their OF without knowing who plays left.
Papi is an x-factor next year. If he can avoid a repeat of last April-May, we’ll be in much better shape.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hadn't forgotten posada
i believe that he was cheating last year to put up those numbers. 37 year old catchers don’t hit .285/.363/.522. he’ll come crashing down, so will damon if they resign him.
if the yankees sign bay or holliday then everything changes. but as it stands it looks like we’re better on paper.
yeah, if papi can repeat june-onward of last year from the start then we’re in business
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Beltre at 3B
We will have a pretty strong infield as well. Which of course will help pitching.
I am kind of worried about Cameron’s batting, and what the batting order will look like in 2010, but overall, I am just glad the Jason Bay Shadow puppet show is over
by superferret on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
Ells, Pedroia, VMart, Youk, Papi, Beltre?, Drew, Cameron, Scutaro
Which happens to be L,R,S,R,L,R,L,R,R
by Schulz on Dec 14, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"we will have a pretty strong infield"
ya think? it would be phenomenal. and if we are gonna be a great pitching team then we have to be a great defensive team, so beltre is ideal.
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm horribly confused about our plan for the offseason
But I’m not really upset by any of it. I’m concerned that all of this happened without any attempt to whittle down the price of anyone, i.e. it looks like we just said we’d pay both players any amount they wanted.
I just have no idea what we’re doing, or what we’re going to do from here on out. We’ll certainly have atrocious OF offense, the worst of any contending club. And we’ve just spent a whole hell of a lot of money today, while essentially cutting the Cardinals a $20m check for Holliday’s services.
Gonna take a few days to sort today out.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Its not really that hard
Defense and Pitching.
Also, how do you know how the negotiations went? You can’t seriously believe that these deals were made in a day can you?
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the club
but this would be the first time they actually kept their mouths shut for a deal to take place in a long while.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i’m really proud of them for that.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Lackey turned down 18mm from the Angels.
You better believe this deal was in the works for a while.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 14, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Things were quiet... too quiet.
And then BAM! We make moves! I like the pitching and defense approach. I’m not sold on Lackey but I’m not really complaining. Let’s see what happens with our corner infield hole in the next week…
by Schulz on Dec 14, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The offseason isn't over yet. Buch could be on the move (hopefully not) for a bat.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more upset to see Ellsbury go
myself. Idk, i just don’t see Bucholz as a future ace. I don’t know why.
by beantownboy171 on Dec 14, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buchholz
did show signs in 09 of being a top of the rotation guy. Who knows if he will continue, but Buchholz definitely made some positive steps in 09.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely has ace type stuff. Right now he just needs to mature as a pitcher.
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by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw an interview with him
where he talked about what he needed to improve that gave me a lot more confidence in him. Seemed more level-headed than I usually expect from him.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you see Ellsbury as?
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as a slowly but steadily improving leadoff hitter
and all-star
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An all star for what league?
He’ll always be horribly overrated. A sub-.800, no OBP mediocre fielder is not an asset once he’s earning over MLB minimum.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
expect his OBP to be around .370 next year
and i see potential power to right field in that swing. He’s gonna be a great fielder, give it time. maybe a move to left would help.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You see Ellsbury as a .320 hitter?
A move to left in Fenway would help anybody, doesn’t mean he would have value. When you can’t hit for power and have questionable OBP skills, you better be fast and have great defense. He has one of the two.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a very welcome change
I just don’t see it. He had an EYE of .041, .056 and .054 in his 2 1/2 seasons in the bigs, I can’t see him magically shooting up to .08 and maintaining his BA.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he takes 15 or twenty more walks
his OBP will shoot right up.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he hits 40 more homers
so will his SLG, but I don’t see it happening.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The walks aren't quite as unrealistic, though.
He was improving noticeably as the season went on. He’s young, y’know?
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"An all star for what league?"
For the American League! Voters love SB and AVG. And spectacular diving catches!
by Schulz on Dec 14, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're correct
I was thinking all star calibre, which is way different from all star.
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by Sean O on Dec 15, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i meant all-star caliber.
i really believe that with improved defense and plate discipline that he will be great.
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see him as a frontline starter
the dude is nasty. i hope we keep him and sign beltre.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to be.
The guy does not make any money (like any young player). When you take money into account, if he is above league average he will be highly valuable.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Dec 15, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"atrocious OF offense"?
even compared to the yankees we’ve got the clear upper hand there. Drew is great, best right fielder in the AL (unless I’m forgetting someone obvious. don’t think i am) Ellsbury is only 24 and showed improvement offensively last year. I expect more of that. And Cameron could hit 30 homers. It’s gonna be an amazing outfield, especially defensively, but also offensively
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
compare to damon, cabrera/gardner, swisher
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think
a 37 year old coming into the AL East from the NL for 8 years who has only hit 30 homers once is gonna magically do it again?
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe 20
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by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I simply don't understand
a defense-first choice for literally the easiest defensive position in MLB. Now, we got him for a great deal monetarily, especially compared to Scutaro’s .720 career OPS, but he should really be in center, at least. Ellsbury becoming trade bait won’t sadden me a bit if it happens, but he sells too many pink hats.
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He should by all means be playing CF, which is a "premium" position.
In turn Ells’ defense should drastically improve in LF. We would go from having two horrible defenders to having to very good defenders. You’d be suprised how many runs a good defense can save.
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by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cf is most definitely
NOT the easiest position in mlb. That belongs to 1b
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, well that would make a lil bit more sense.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just LF
LF at PNC or Petco is still hell, but LF at Fenway is the single easiest position in MLB.
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by Sean O on Dec 15, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At 1b you have to catch the ball
LF at Fenway you just wait for it to bounce off the wall and pick it up.
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by Sean O on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
You really think LF at Fenway is easier than 1B? There’s a reason the only position Papi can “play” is 1B.
Even Fenway LFers have to be somewhat athletic to run down balls and throw them into the infield. First baseman just stand there and closer their hand when they feel the ball hit their mit.
Also, we only play half our games at fenway.
by Schulz on Dec 15, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Homers?
Really you are arguing offense based on homers??? I’ve seen it all
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only reason i brought up homers
was because losing bay means we’re losing a lot of power. one of the perks of cameron is that he’ll replace a lot of that lost power.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Was referring to Sean O’s post
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
I responded to a guy talking about homers, and I’m the one being ridiculous?
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by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
Got carried away…..my apologies. One day I’ll learn how to read these staggered streams correctly
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
It’s very possible. Keeping in mind that homers are not the most important offensive stat, he has hit 24 and 25 his last two years in a pitcher’s park. it won’t be magic, it’ll be the monster.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's been mostly in pitchers parks
which fenway is not.
30 Homers is obviously unreasonable, but he should be fine, I don’t expect to see any real regression at all in his stats. So far they don’t indicate any to me.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not that it really matters, but
why is 30 homers obviously unreasonable? like i said, he’s hit 24 and 25 the past two years, and isn’t milwaukee a pitchers park?
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah it's possible
I mostly meant unreasonable to count on.
Yeah Milwaukee is.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too worried about Cameron's age
If you ever saw this guy live, he is a physical freak – always has been. Lean, muscle-bound – looks like a fitness ad. There is always the chance of injury – and he does dive and run into walls – but then that’s so for young guys too.
The point being, is he’s got the body type that should age gracefully. He should be a safe bet to still be productive for the two years we signed him for.
by mmmmm on Dec 15, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the Yanks did upgrade CF too.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees now have Curtis Granderson.
by Gnick on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Figure I’d back up my Granderson post with stats. From fangraphs
Granderson
11th in MLB in WAR for CFers – 3.4
UZR – 1.6 in 09, -8.9 in 08
0.327 OBP, 0.780 OPS
Not trying in any way to say he’s a poor player just not a superstar.
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These stats are all correct but there are a few things to consider-
He had a career low BABIP of .276, which is well below league average and his career mark of .323,
He has put up full season UZR’s of 14.1, 12.9, and -9.9. So 2 great ones, a terrible one and an average one. All in all I’d say hes above average but not GG worthy.
And probably most importantly he’s a pronounced lefty pull hitter leaving a stadium with a 330 Rf fence to 314. His shortest HR to LF was 356 last year. He can probably eek a few more out in the YS Short porch.
The kid also put up a MVP worthy season in 2007, 7.3 WAR from CF. Thats sick.
In the interest of full disclosure, Cammy will also most definitely benefit from a new stadium as well. He’s straight beastmode when he pulls the ball 492/.492/.977/1.469 ops (last year). He’s probably gonna be putting dents in the Monster all year.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Agree with your assessmenty, I’d be a bit worried about his inconsistency – like I said a very solid player and an upgrade over Melky….just don’t think as big of one as the media let on.
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lefties
Just don’t let him near the plate when a lefty pitches….YEESH
0.484 OPS!!
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thats pretty ridonkulous.
Luckily in our division he really only has to worry about Lester, Romero, maybe Matsuz and assorted loogy’s. As my boy Joe Pos says Granderson has over the last few years been in a division with Sabathia, Mark Buehrle, Cliff Lee, Johan Santana (0 for 12 against him), Francisco Liriano, John Danks. Now, really, there is one great non-Yankee lefty starter in the division in Jon Lester, and a couple of promising young guys — my point is that I don’t think lefty pitchers will be as much of a factor for Granderson in the American League East.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he isnt .484 against "great" lefties.
he’s .484 against lefties.
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point was
a lot more of the lefties he was facing were all great lefties, not a lot of the mediocre ones.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Granderson is definitely better than his 2009 suggests.
And with that mini-golf porch you’ve got in RF, could hit 35 HRs. But I don’t think he’s likely to repeat his 2007.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*Shortest HR to RF was 356, not lf my bad. And the 2007 thing was to adress the fact that he’s “overrrated” for a reason. He’s a really good ballplayer.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2007
Course if we are arguing 2007 we should hang onto Lowell ;)
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, icwudt
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let your mandatory hatred of the guy bias you
Granderson is a great player.
by Gnick on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to be a reply to Bob, not Casanova.
by Gnick on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate?
Don’t see how me arguing facts that he is not a super-star = mandatory hatred. If you read my posts I’ve stated time and time again that I think he’s a good player.
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You literally said he is “way overrated.”
by Gnick on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ells is 26
And interesting to see Drew as the 4th best RF on Fangraphs.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Underrated
Drew is as underrated as Granderson is overrated…..I said something like that on another Sox board and almost got ran out of town. Seems a lot of Sox fans have Drew resentments.
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand how a .900 OPS guy
can be so hated
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally
Lot of Sawx meatheads seemingly jumped on the “Nancy” nickname before they ever saw him play.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
High Salary
High Salary for when he was signed and seemingly doesn’t play with passion??
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his salary is what he deserves
and if he can hit .900 on heroin i wouldn’t care.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People around here love the guy.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Dec 15, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
26?
my bad. still young though.
might be a little soon to call zobrist the best RF in baseball, especially considering he played a ton of 2B last year. but yeah, ichiro is better than drew. i did forget someone. but i’ll take drews defense over choo’s, obviously
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Ichiro mostly a CF now?
Too lazy to check.
Choo is pretty solid, though I prefer Drew too.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take drew over Ichiro
Ichiro is probably one of the most fun players to watch in the game, but defensively not as impressive as Drew and doesn’t do tons else besides hit an ungodly amount of singles.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro is a great defender.
Better than Drew is, for the most part.
But Drew brings the power game. 20 wOBA points are not to be argued with.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 15, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah alright his defense is phenomenal
What I don’t like about it is he always seems to try to make it too flashy, which I guess isn’t a valid point for someone like him that can pull it off.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry but
ichiro is easily one of the 3 or 4 best hitters of all time. i think i would take him over drew, especially throwing in his great defense and speed.
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"best hitters"
In the sense of ability to get a hit, I agree, Ichiro is among the best. But Drew is a more well-rounded player. Some would call him a “5 tool” guy and he brings more to a team than Ichiro, IMO.
by Schulz on Dec 15, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's one of the greatest hitters of all time
in the sense that he can turn anything into a hit. But he never walks, he still has a lower OBP than Drew, and has never posted close to a .900 OPS.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great hitter
Good offensive player
Drew is a good hitter
Great offensive player
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish OPS - or something similar - factored in SBs
It wouldn’t be hard to do. Add in SBs to the total bases, subtract the CS from successful at bats.
Factoring in SBs, Ichiro’s total offensive contribution is pretty close to Drew’s.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 15, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’ve always thought there should be another stat that includes SB, because a single plus a steal is almost as good as a double. I say almost because it doesn’t drive in a runner from first.
by Schulz on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
total average
created by Thomas Boswell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_average
I remember that one of the sports rags used to publish a big issue each year that had every player’s total average rating.
I’m not sure if anyone is tracking this at the moment.
by mmmmm on Dec 18, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ells is 26.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Dec 15, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
“Atrocious” offense??? really
Drew is a top 5 offensive RFer, Ellsbury while not a major force can do some things with the bat and is a terror on the basepaths and Cameron swings a pretty decent stick…Not the MOST offensive OF but definitely not atrocious
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For a Fenway Park offense on a competitive team
It’s not all that great. Ellsbury does nothing for me offensively, since speed will never mean anything at Fenway. Cameron will be good, hopefully, if he doesn’t fall prey to the same adjustment year that hits so many coming into the AL from the NL (or Japan, I guess).
Drew has been awesome the last 2 years, I just hope it’s more of the same rather than a regression to ’07.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll be o.k.
Maybe not 4th best in the AL but no further down that 6th. Looking at the Offense as a whole its not too bad and then taking the defensive upgrades into account and the pitching.
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
drew is the kind of hitter that won't regress dramtically
he’s very disciplined, takes pitches, makes contact… all the good stuff
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell are you talking about?
“It’s (Drew’s offense) not all that great.”
Are you kidding me? In the words of Ken Tremendous, fuck the heck? J.D. was 26th in all of baseball in wOBA, ahead of notable names like Lance Berkman, Justin Upton, Jayson Werth, Evan Longoria, Raul Ibanez, Justin Morneau, and David Wright. wOBA not your thing? Well he was 21st there, 9 points ahead of Chase Utley.
Bottom line, J.D. Drew is an elite hitter, and a good fielder on top of that. He’s probably the second best position player on our team.
by Gnick on Dec 14, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I miss Mr. Tremendous.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
JD Drew is an elite offensive player.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 14, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said Drew's offense wasn't great?
I said that our outfield as a whole wasn’t all that hot, and to try to paint it as me saying that Drew wasn’t that great is completely disingenuous. Drew is one of the very top RFs in the game, but the other 2 are not at their position.
To conflate our Fenway Park offense to just Drew’s is a great misrepresentation.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
by Sean O on Dec 15, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron is a very good offensive CFer. But you’re right that Ells in LF is poor offensively. So I think yeah, we’d be bad offensively in the OF, but it looks like we will be much, much better defensively, gaining 30 or so runs.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Dec 15, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For once in my life
I won’t cringe thinking of our LF chasing balls down at Yankee Stadium.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
by Sean O on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your Welcome!
NY Mets and St. Louis Cardinals…
Somewhere Jason Bay and Scott Boras are crying…
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the good times Bay
You were a great player and a great teammate you are welcome back anytime you don’t want more then you are worth.
On another note, Welcome Mike Cameron to a good team.
by drabidea on Dec 14, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seeing as Beltre could be expensive
Anyone interested in Garrett Atkins?
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well no, but if both players are healthy
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I would probably agree, as their defense is similar (even with Lowell’s hip problem, which is kinda sad for Atkins) and Lowell has a better bat.
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Don’t forget, we can get a 1B and move Youk to 3B.
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True but I LOVE Youk at first
And I would only really move him if we traded for A-Gon.
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Gon
I have a feeling the Pads will want Buchholz, Kelly and Westmoreland……which would put a HUGE dent in our farm system
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minus buchholz, plus one of these:
kalish, reddick, tazawa, rizzo, lars, (the usual suspects) and you’ve got a deal.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they'll want Buch
As least one of the guys has to be a major league-ready impact talent, at least in terms of selling it to San Diego.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoyer claims
he wants Buchholz + either Westmoreland or Kelly + prospects. I just wonder if Theo will do that deal.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Bucholz and Ellsbury, and we keep westmoreland and kelly
by BigRedDog42 on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And then find another OFer
Pass. The cost of signing another OF, plus taking on Gonzalez would be a killer.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida would have to play full time
so we wouldn’t need another outfielder
by BigRedDog42 on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
something to consider
hermida might be a nightmare though. but as long as he catches the ball, his potentially crappy hitting would be overshadowed by A-Gon.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
You don’t need All star outfielders when you have MVP candidates in three of the infield positions
by BigRedDog42 on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't read it anywhere
I’d just prefer it mightily, and they might actually prefer two MLB players to low A prospects
by BigRedDog42 on Dec 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies
I still get thrown off sometimes
by BigRedDog42 on Dec 14, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR
had an article saying that the Padres and Sox were far apart and that Hoyer wants Buchholz + either Kelly or Westmoreland and Theo is balking.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope so
I can’t see anyway short of a brain fart that Theo gives up BOTH Buch and Kelly.
I can see giving up one of them plus a position prospect for A-Gon, but that’s about it.
Sigh … any chance Hoyer would take Ellsbury for A-Gon, straight up? Nah, didn’t think so …
by mmmmm on Dec 15, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for major league ready players we have
ellsbury, lowrie, kotchman, hermida (i guess)
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buch.
He’s the best of the bunch.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scenario
Here is an interesting scenario. Buchholz is our 5th starter and has a very good season – the same year that Beckett is up for a new contract or FA…..whaddya do?
I mean we are already locked into Lackey-Lester-Dice-K in 3 slots. I doubt if Buchholz pitches to his potential that he’d want to be saddled with the 5th starter role…..
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him being #4 ahead of Dice-K
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i could see buchholz being number 2
or even one. even in this rotation. he is that good.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see it.
Though I don’t know how I feel having an 82 million #4,
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with numbers that would be
number one or two on any other team
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beckett
That would piss off Beckett I’d bet. If I’m the Sox and I hang onto Buch, I let him pitch for half a season to see what he’s going to do (show some consistency) and then let Beckett ride…use that money saved to go get a big impact bat.
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean trade beckett at the deadline?
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Option
Probably not an option unless the Sox are out of it. But I’d consider letting him go to get the picks. Not sure that we want over 50-60 million or so stuck in the rotation when you have a potentially good starter in Buchholz and another a year or so away in Kelly
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing
another thing to add fuel to this Beckett thing is if Halladay and Lee sign long terms….that would make Beckett hands down the top arm on the FA market and he could demand BIG $$ with his resume
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dear god, let them sign extensions
if not, they may both be yankees in 2011. certainly one of them, at least.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the reason the Phils traded for Hallday
was that Lee really wanted to test FA and Halladay was amendable to extending.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay is being extended
At least if the deal goes through. I’m pretty sure I read that an extension with the Phils is part of it.
by BigRedDog42 on Dec 14, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hell yes
now just need lee to sign
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
problem
Course then we are stuck with Beckett who’s looking open market without a lot of competition….
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hello draft picks.
or we’re working on extending him right now.
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter what he wants.
He is under team control for five more years.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go Buchholz + Kelly/Westmoreland + B Prospect
Nothing more.
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curveball?
This is way out of LF – pardon the pun, but what is Ellsbury went to SD?
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd arrest me for dancing naked down Rte 60 in Malden
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mad GM
I’m just playing mad GM here but what about Buchholz + Ellsbury for A-Gon maybe thrown in Kotchman so they have a bridge 1B until a prospect is ready…Would you do it?
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a millisecond
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even though i want to keep Buch
i think you’d have to take that deal. don’t expect that to happen though
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tim kurkjian is STRESSING that getting A-Gon
will require a TON
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is, no competition
And the Pads’ fan, uh fans would go ballistic.
Building Fenway from the ground up - Virtual Fenway
by Sean O on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes me think this AGon stuff is just BS
Either Theo has another target…Miggy C. or Fielder, or he is not going to move Buchholz.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well gee...
The Sox former asst GM, now Padres GM will demand the very specifc players that he knows the ranking within the Sox organization
by superferret on Dec 14, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that will happen...
Between Buch, Ells, MDC, good prospect (Kelly, Lars, Westmoreland-level) – pick three of the four. I think that will get A-Gonz.
by dsharp on Dec 14, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
their prospect is ready
they’ve been thinking about shifting him to OF so he can get into the MLB club. Also, Kotchman next year will cost about the same as Gonzalez.
Also, I wouldn’t do it. Two cost-controlled, very high ceiling guys. Not a chance.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hate the idea of moving youk permanently
he’s much better at first, more comfortable there. i wanna get the most out of everyone
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, just trying to keep all options open
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
by BoldandBrash on Dec 14, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just found out that Mike Cameron's nickname is...
Cam-Boogy. Love it. We know have the Boof, the Youk, and Cam-Boogy.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another nice part to Cameron deal is that
Theo just gave Scott Boras a BIG FAT “F U”. Try getting Teixeira money now.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 14, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love it.
I kind of wish we could comprise a team full of non-Boras players.
TRADE DREW, DICE-K, ELLSBURY and TEK.
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a Day/Night......
…..Wait…..This is just in…….Wally the Green Monster has been signed to 3 year 17.5 Million Dollar Extension following his recent trade to the New York Mets for David Wright and Mr. Met……..This could be a long term deal the Redsox regret…..we’ll see how it plays out over the course of the next week and duration of the contract……
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Dec 14, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MLB Trade Rumors had it up, but it was overshadowed by the other major trades today.
Other sources have confirmed it……..Trust me.
"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko
by sox-inda-south on Dec 14, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, bridge year.
somehow i don’t see that happening.
#52
by greatestfall on Dec 14, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha
they had me going there for a minute. Now i’m being slapped repeatedly in the face with big news.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smokescreen
“Bridge Year” is the new smokescreen term
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stick with "Appalachian Trail"
Thank you very much.
: )
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still need a warm body at 3rd
Miguel Cabrera IS the solution to our problems.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I said it earlier
Garrett Atkins (okay, I’m an Atkins fan, you guys caught me)
by totheights on Dec 14, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
He’s a butcher at third, and has a questionable bat.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 15, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we sign Nick Johnson for a year and put Youk over at 3B until something better comes along?
That OBP would look good in our lineup
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 14, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His D has really fallen off a cliff
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
And that hurts him, as does his durability.
But him on a one year deal would give us flexibility if we couldn’t get a Gonzalez-type. Plus, as I said, that OBP is fantastic. It’s just a possibility for someone on a short-term deal.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 14, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
Seriously why aren’t we looking at this guy? How’s his defense at 3B? Love his versatility
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
old, can't really hit anymore, gonna be overpaid
not interested. want beltre
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
Why would he garner any more than Feliz got for Houston? (4.5 mil)?
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
but i heard he wants three years and 27 mil
by revived0103 on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of teams want him
for what he’s done in the past. I don’t think he’ll get near what he wants, but I do think he’ll get too much.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow i posted almost exactly what you did
because I somehow missed your comment… my bad.
by wolf9309 on Dec 15, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Youk?
Was assuming Kotchman was going to be the 1B here….
by morineko on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowell
I could get on board with the Beltre signing… But if that is not going to happen and there is no A-Gon, then Lowell should just be allowed to play out his contract. I think he’ll have a solid year and even if we have to play a month with Kotch and Youk at the corners it wont’ kill us.
by brogshan on Dec 15, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As soon as Lowell the trade is sorted out,
I bet we’ll find out who our new 3B is within 24 hours.
by Schulz on Dec 15, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that the Mets will sign Bay.
I don’t know what the MFY are going to do for LF. I assume Halliday but not at the money Boras is asking, With the Sox out of contention for Holliday, I doubt there is going to be a bidding war.
I see the sweepstakes for Holliday is between the MFY and the Cardinals.
by superferret on Dec 14, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Angels?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 14, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
as a move to offset Figgins/Lackey – they’ve gotta do something
by BobZupcic on Dec 14, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes they do
and the mariners could use him too. interestingly, if one of them signs bay it might determine the division. if either one gets him it would push them over the top in that division.
by revived0103 on Dec 14, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, the Angels signed a 35 yr old DH
That’s something!
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The MFA may have a good batting lineup
but patch together pitching staff. If they can hit in 2010 as they did in 2009, they will be a tough fight in the AL West between the Angels and Mariners.
I have nothing but respect for Porn Matsui as a player, he needs to cut down on his porno addiction.
by superferret on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does HE need to cut back his porn consumption?
Or do YOU need to increase yours?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 14, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels have a problem with Boras...
I think they are still pissed off on how Boras treated them during the Teixiera sweepstakes. I think the Angels will sign a Boras client, but they want to keep his histrionics and antics to a minimum, (given they see him alot, he lives in Orange County)
by superferret on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well it's safe this year both the yanks and sox are trying to screw Boras
I’m not complaining
by lololol on Dec 14, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and the angels
they probably hate Boras more than the Sox FO does.
by mmmmm on Dec 15, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I ABSOLUTELY HATE THIS DEAL
What kind of shit is that? Man, we’re letting Jayson Bay leave when he’s reaching the PIC of his career? I know you stats geeks here want some proof for that, You know what? I’ll show you some proof!
Jayson Bay RBIZ the last 3 years: 84, 101 and 119!!!!! You see? The guy is hitting his prime Dammit!!!!
And what’s all this “run prevention” horse shit is all about? As the wise man said “you see the ball, you hit the ball” Period!
I think I need to call one of those sports radio talk shows to scream my anger! But before I leave I’ll put this comment from my buddy John that sums my thoughts about all this mess:
Peter, what brand of glue are you sniffing or have you OD’d on the Kool-Aid being doled out by Sox management. Even after the addition of V-Mart last year, WITH Bay in the lineup, they were still short of the offensive production needed to keep up with the Yankees and Angels. Cameron isn’t HALF the run producer Bay is and the Sox are banking that Scutaro, a shortstop in his mid-30’s, didn’t just have a career year in 2009.
Not only are the Sox not better than last year, as currently constructed they are WORSE offensively. The ONLY way any of this makes sense is if they now plug this hole by trading Buckholz — which I’d love to see because I have NEVER understood their fascination with him — to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez, or some similar move to make up for the black hole the left field slot in the lineup will become with the platoon of Cameron and Hermidia.
For the life of me, I don’t understand how the Sox can pay JD Drew — an injury prone, lifeless, mediocre player — but won’t pay a bonafide 5-tool guy like Bay. Their excuse is Bay strikes out a lot, well, so did a bunch of guys now enshrined in Cooperstown with names like Reggie Jackson, Mike Schmidt, Willie Stargell, and Mike Cameron…wait, Mike Cameron? Yeah, he’s #11 on the all time strikeouts list.
It is totally mind boggling.
Yeah Jonny-Boy I’m loosing my mind here.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bay is not a bonafide 5 tool guy.
Yeah he hits for average, power and takes his walks but he’s not a good fielder by any metric.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 15, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly certain that was a humorous post.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Dec 15, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHEW!! Hix, I knew u were better than that.
Mah bust yo.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Dec 16, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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