Bridge Year?
There's been a lot of talk this week about transition and bridges. When they haven't been talking about how the Patriots have lost their way and have no soul, the sports talk guys have been going back and forth about if it's ok for a team in one of the biggest baseball markets to have a down year. Personally, I'm a bit torn. It depends on what our bridge looks like and what it's leading too. I guess it also helps to take where the bridge is coming from in perspective also.
Just where is that bridge coming from? I think it's coming from a pretty good place. A lot of fans considered last year to be a dissapointment and that sort of talk makes my head hurt. Yes, the Red Sox were swept out of the first round of the playoffs. Apparently anything short of a World Series win in this town is completely unacceptable even though they've won 2 in the last 6 years. But the playoffs in baseball, more than any other sport, are a toss up. The best team doesn't always in. Sometimes a fantastic team can play like crap for 3 straight games. And then we have to spend an entire offseason talking about how pathetic the Red Sox offense is because the Angels made them look bad. Does anyone actually believe that? Really? -Really-? They had the 2nd best OBP and SLG in the league which lead to 872 runs, good enough for 3rd in the league. They had 4 hitters with at least 24 HR, 4 hitters hit .290 or better, a guy steal 70 bases, and just for fun they added a catcher at the deadline who went on to hit .336 and knock in 41 in 56 games. And their pitching had issues, sure, but Beckett and Lester gave the team a chance to win every time they touched the ball. The bullpen, while it faultered down the stretch, was still the best in the league. Papelbon put up a 1.85 ERA with 76 K's in 68 IP...and people say he had a bad year. Anybody who looks at those numbers, anybody who looks at 95 wins, anybody who sees their team playing in October...and sees dissapointment? I can't even begin to imagine where you're coming from. Try telling an Orioles fan that you're dissapointed. Try telling a Pirates fan how the Red Sox should be looking for help on offense and they'll probably point out that they had exactly one guy hit more than 12 HR all year and that guy only hit 21, good enough for 5th best if he played for the Red Sox. Yeah, Boston is a bigger market and should have a better team than those guys. But look at the Mets. Tell the Mets how you were dissapointed in '09. No wonder every other fan base hates us.
The Red Sox are coming off a very sucessful season in 2009 and if they have to take a step back in order to take one forward then I wouldn't have a problem with it. What would a bridge really look like for the Red Sox? The top half of their line up would still be one of the best in the game with Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkilis, and Ortiz. They'd still have two very good starting pitchers and the best closer around. If the Red Sox went into the season with the team they have today, even minus Mike Lowell, they'd still hover around the 90 win mark and they'd still make a run for the playoffs. Fans of about 20 other teams would beg to have what Boston considers a down year, a bridge year. Are the Red Sox going to be as good as the Yankees? No, not even close. But there is likely no combination of moves that could get the Red Sox on the same level as the Yankees. Right now the Yankees are a clear step above every other team in baseball. That doesn't mean they're going to repeat though. Anything can happen in the postseason and if the Sox make it to the playoffs their chances are nearly 1 in 8 to win it all, just like the other 7 teams.
My only problem with a bridge year is where the bridge is going to lead us. I'd take an 88 win season and nearly missing the playoffs if that meant that 2011 was going to be a vastly improved team. But would it really be? What are the Red Sox saving up for? This year's free agent class isn't spectacular, but who do they expect to be able to grab after the 2010 season is over? And it's not like they have a farm system that's ready to spill over with impact players. Casey Kelly may be an ace one day and Josh Reddick has some potential, but who else are we waiting for? Lars Anderson nearly fell off the map after hitting .233 in Portland. Michael Bowden is projected to be a middle of the rotation guy. There are some potential major league players in the system, but not enough where you can say "When this group reaches the majors, look out!" Waiting a year just means that David Ortiz might be a complete non-factor, Youk will be one step closer to exiting his prime, Drew will likely be out of here, and Beckett will be on the wrong side of 30. Guys like Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Lester will still be performing at their peak, but laying low for a year doesn't seem like it'd make this team better.
I'm fine with reloading as long as there is a plan in place. I trust our front office enough to believe that there's a plan, it's just not one that I can see. They're in the middle ground right now and I'm not sure if I like it here. Either sign Bay and Beltre then trade for Gonzalez, Cabrera, or Halladay or you stop messing around and reload. Deal Papelbon for some quality young players since he'll be bolting as soon as he gets the chance. Deal Youk for some real impact prospects since late bloomers tend to have early declines and he's already entering his 30's. Go for it now or go for it later. But go for it. The middle ground is a boring, mediocre place to be. I'd rather see a 75 win team for a couple of years followed by a 105 win team rather than a string of 88 win teams.
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A bit schizo,no??
Your last paragraph seems to be going in a different direction from the rest of your post. Do you believe this current team is good enough or is it "They’re in the middle ground right now "?? Take you best shot.
My perspective, which is well know around these parts, is that the Sox have too much age related baggage NOW, and time is not your friend with this malady. Therefore, I vote for creating a new core now!
good, but not great
I think they’re a good team right now, but it’s a team that could hover around .500 as easily as they could make a push for a playoff spot. I just think that entering the season without making any moves in one direction or another isn’t a great idea
I don’t believe this should or could be a transition year for the Sox as they can still compete without emptying the farm.
3B – Sign Beltre
LF – Sign Holliday
SP – Trade for Halladay (as long as it doesn’t involve Buc, Kelly or Westmoreland) or sign Lackey.
They get a little younger in ’11 when Tek and Ortiz exit stage left.
easier said than done
I’m sure the Sox would love to get all those moves made, but there are still 29 other teams competing for those guys too. And the Sox have a high payroll, but I’m sure there’s a cap there somewhere. Who knows if they’d be willing to shell out the money for all three of those options.
Actually, there AREN'T 29 other teams competing for them.
Most other teams either have those roster spots filled or have money obligated elsewhere. The number of teams we are competing with for Beltre and Holliday are probably minimal, and as such not as difficult to make work as you seem to think.
Halladay may mean we give up a lot, and I’m not willing to do that. I’d rather have a young, cheap Buccholz than an aging Halladay over the next 4 years.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
though the payroll is a valid point
In that before getting any of those guys, after arbitration raises, we’ll probably have a payroll around where our total entering payroll was last year ($122 million)- we’re going to be giving raises to Papelbon, Oki, Ramram, MDC, Hermida, and Kotchman.
Now our 2009 payroll was lower than our payroll the last couple of years- $133.4 million in 2008 and $143 million in 07, so I have to assume that we have some flexibility, however I’m sure not enough to add all three- any two would probably be a stretch. Assuming Beltre is making $8+ million/year and Holliday is making $17+ million a year, I’d guess we’re probably priced out of both of them. Of course this is all just speculation since none of us have access to the red sox checkbooks.
There’s a chance they may be willing to stretch further than before because there’s so much coming off the books after 2010, but I don’t think it’s too likely we want to have all our money committed when next years FA class is so strong.
It may just be because I want it to happen, but I think Beltre and Cameron look like the two additions that make the most sense for this year and the future.
Good point
I am really high on Holliday…but I agree that it might be a stretch to get both Holliday and Beltre. I think one or the other puts us in a decent position and I really like our potential with both.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
I wouldn't mind rebuilding more than they are
But I do think they will still be much better in 11 even without trading Papelbon and Youk.
I don't see it
How would they be better? They have a decent farm system, but not a great one. Some of their key players are about to hit the downside of their career so it’s entirely possible that they’ll be taking some steps back
Maybe a bridge year for the Sox
But any other team is in great shape. Guess as Sox fans we have gotten spoiled. I wholeheartedly believe that Theo has a plan this offseason, you don’t just go out and trade Mike Lowell and pay almost his entire salary for nothing. Looking at the team you still have a solid lineup, and hopefully a better defensive team, with a rotation that has the potential to be very good. Get solid years from Lester and Beckett, Clay lives up to his infinite potential, and Daisuke bounces back and you have the best 1-4 in the league. Not to mention the lineup is still one of the best in the league:
Ells
Pedroia
V-Mart
Ortiz
Youkilis
Bay/Holliday/Cameron/Hermida
Beltre?
Drew
Scutaro
That is a SOLID lineup, of course not Yankee-esque, but with decent defense and an improved starting rotation this team will be very good.
Yea, there are a few question marks, but its still early, never know what Theo & Co. have up their sleeves.
I think all this spending (Lackey, Scutaro, Lowell, Beltre / AGon)
should be a hint that the FO does NOT see 2010 as a bridge year. Unless that bridge says “2010 World Series on it.”
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
"Bridge" does not mean "Bad"
The whole “bridge” thing from Theo was way overblown thanks to us and sports radio. It seems like every word out of Theo’s mouth is spun and disected to come up with some inflamatory statement. Any locals recall the “RBI not important” comments on WEEI? The reaction to that one was only slightly more deserved, because Theo was making a very, very fine point about comparing players and assessing individual batter contribution and I understand how this could be lost in translation.
It is clear now – since there are no prospects likely to win spots on the 2010 roster (I assume Bucholz is not considered a prospect now), the Sox have to bridge the gap with free agent signings/trades. Hello Lackey, Cameron, Scutaro, etc. Also, Cameron and Scutaro are only 2 year deals, meaning the Sox could move prospects, if they are ready, to the roster as early as 2011. All in all, now seems like a pretty sturdy bridge.
no not overblown
it had exactly the effect that he wanted, making people thinking Boston weren’t going to be big spenders this year. Remember it also came the day after Francona warned Boston fans not to believe everything they hear in the offseason.
In any case, any year we are $30 million over our previous record is not a bridge year.
not a bad direction..
…to take the article.
Just have to disagree with a few minor details. Mainly your opinion of the Yankees 2010 team in relation to the rest of the league. Yeah, they are going to be a great team next season, but I don’t necessarily see them as being head-and-shoulders above everyone else in the league. The Phillies are going to be tremendous next season, and had Cole Hamels played like he should have last post-season, we could be referring to Philidelphia as the defending champs.
Also, you say that there is no combination of moves to make the Red Sox on the same level as New York? I would argue that our pitching staff is superior at this point, maybe not by much, but I’d prefer our starting rotation over their’s any day (especially given the two team’s back-ends of the rotations). Also, if we end up acquiring Adrian Gonzalez (who is probably one of the best bargains in baseball the next two seasons given his contract status), even if it means surrendering Buchholz, I think that makes our two lineups comparable. It certainly puts us at least on the Yankees’ level…
Right now the Yankees pitching rotation is
CC, AJ, Pettite, Joba, Hughes. Ours is head and shoulders above that. Ours is solid known starters all the way through- I’d probably take CC over any of ours, but after that their rotation is much weaker.
Right now, as it stands, I think we are a far superior defensive team. Offensively, they have us, but I expect their offense next year can’t be as absurd as it was this year- that was kind of just everybody clicking at once. It’ll still be killer offense, just I doubt quite as much. It’ll be interesting to see what Granderson brings to the MFY, he’s probably going to crush pretty well at YS.
I think you're right
The more I look at it, the more I think the division is up for grabs. If you believe in pythagorean win totals, then the race was a lot closer than it looked last year. The Yankees run differential was that of a 95 win team while the Sox were a 93 win team. As of right now the Yankees are about the same with Granderson and Johnson replacing Damon and Matsui so their 103 wins should fall back down. And I’m one of the few who think the moves the Sox made make them a better team then they were last year. I think they could easily be a 95-97 win team.
It could be a close race

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