Choose Your Own Adventure: Red Sox Edition
You are Boston Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein.
You have recently completed a trade, pending approval from commissioner Bud Selig, that sends veteran third baseman Mike Lowell to the Texas Rangers in return for catching prospect Max Ramirez. You now find yourself with yet another void to fill, this time at the "hot corner." Your arch-rivals, the New York Yankees, have just acquired the multi-talented center fielder Curtis Granderson and are linked in discussions for one of the most talented pitchers in all of baseball, Roy Halladay. Fans are growing impatient with every deal made at the winter meetings that doesn't involve you, and opportunities to patch your teams weaknesses are growing slim. What do you do?
- Sign Adrian Beltre as Mike Lowell's successor (go to bullet point A)
- Package some of your prospects and pry Adrian Gonzalez away from San Diego (go to bullet point B)
- Package a few prospects and steal Miguel Cabrera away from Detroit (go to bullet point C)
- Sit idly by and hope that everything works out on its own (go to bullet point D)
A. Ah, you have chosen to sign former Seattle Mariner Adrian Beltre. You have replaced one former Gold Glove Award recipient with another at the third base position. Last season, despite being sidelined for approximately six weeks, your new addition put up respectable numbers. The 30 year old still has some seasons left in him, and assuming you signed him to a Scutaro-type contract, you're only going to need him for a brief bridging period. You likely paid a rather high price for the free agent that has been linked to several other suitors, but you got your corner infield spots addressed. Aside from Beltre's suspicious 2004 season (not even going to go there), your new 3B seems like a safe bet to produce Lowell-like offensive numbers and provide a slight upgrade on the defensive side of the ball from the often-injured Lowell. You decided to steer clear of that blockbuster move, but you've made a wise and safe choice nonetheless, Theo.
B. Congratulations! You have just acquired one of the most prominent left-handed bats in all of baseball, Adrian Gonzalez. Your new 27 year old first baseman forces you to move Kevin Youkilis over to third base, but you now have Gold Glovers literally littering your infield. Fielding prowess aside, Gonzalez gives you a powerful left-handed bat that you can build your lineup around for years to come. Coming off of a career year at the plate, your new trade acquisition fills your need for both a corner infielder as well as a power hitter. The guy's defense makes your pitching staff better and his bat positively influences all of those around him in the lineup. You didn't just upgrade your first base position, you made your whole team better. Bold, smart, and you've made a strong statement to your fans and team that 2010 isn't going to be a conservative effort.
C. Great move. You have taken advantage of a few recent occurrences and snagged Miguel Cabrera away from the Detroit Tigers. After the Tigers dumped both Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson, you knew Cabrera was available. Everyone has their price, and after Detroit acquired a slew of highly touted prospects in the deal with New York and Arizona, Cabrera's asking price went down a bit as Detroit became relatively content with their farm system. Sure, you had to take Dontrelle Willis off their hands as part of the deal, but you find joy in taking players and attempting to re-mold them, especially pitchers. In Miguel, you received a player who reminds most of Manny Ramirez in his prime, both on and off the field. However, you decided to take the good with the bad, and ride this guy in the middle of your order for many years. Nobody doubts Cabrera's talent or work ethic, they're both Hall-of-Fame caliber, if you can only avoid any off the field transgressions. Succeed in that, and you have made potentially the biggest splash of the off-season. You're team is again feared, and your fans are more than content. Your job is done here.
D. You have decided to do nothing. 2010 is going to be a bumpy ride, one that will be filled with many unhappy, I told you so fans. You had better hope that 2011 free agent class that you've been day-dreaming about treats you better than the one that preceded it.
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I chose Beltre because
- Playin’ in Safeco has killed his offensive numbers
- His hitting style is tailor made for Fenway, at the end he’ll put some avg offensive numbers for a corner infielder
- His range in the hot corner will immensely help Scutaro defensive numbers
- Adrian Gonzalez is very good but his weakness vs LH pitching will be exposed in the competitive AL East AND I LOVE OUR PROSPECTS!
- I’m not a fan of moving Youk to 3rd base: His defense there is questionable, his age and increase of injury risk make it definitely not worth it (He plays substantially better defense than AG)
- The lack of suitors to Beltre (I don’t see any other team goin’ after him now that Philly has Polanco) will drive the price down: Don’t buy Bora$ BS, remember last year when he was sayin’ that Manny is worth a 5 years contract?
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
You largely echo my thoughts.
That said, I’ll miss you, Mikey Lowell. :(
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Class act all the way
Thx for the memories and the ring :,(
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
+1
Best salary dump throw-in ever
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 10, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I should add that the FA market next year for 3rd basemen is headed by...Atkins! 'nuff said!
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
I also chose Beltre
For much of the same reasons that your comment included.
Adrian Gonzalez would be an intriguing pick-up, but I feel like his asking price will be similar to that of Halladay’s.
I do find the Miguel Cabrera rumors interesting. Not only do I think that we could get him without surrendering as much as it would take to get someone like Halladay or Gonzalez, but his resemblence to Manny is just too fun to ignore…
I agree
but there are many questions about Beltre. Mostly will he be healthy and how much are we going to have to pay because of his agent. I can’t see anyway that we sign Beltre and Holliday/Bay without massively bloating payroll at least for one year, and removing a fair bit of payroll flex after that. At the same time I am not in love with Youk playing 3rd. It is entirely possible that Theo feels with 3 people who can play 1st (Kotchman, VMart and Youk) and 3 who can play 3rd (Youk, Scutaro and Lowrie) that the Sox do not sign anyone else to play 3rd.
it's actually not possible that theo feels he doesnt have to sign a 3B
youkilis is our everyday 1B, scutaro is our SS, that leaves only lowrie who theo doesn’t trust with the SS job because of injuries, so why would he go trust lowrie as starting 3B?
i’m excited about the lowell deal despite my sadness to see him go because it means that there is more to come this offseason.
echoes my thoughts
Beltre definitely would put up better number in Fenway versus Safeco (check his road splits). His defense, along with Scutaro – Pedroia – Youk would make for a pretty amazing infield.
Also, while I love Adrian Gonzolez, he and Cabrera both would require giving up prospects – whereas Beltre only costs you cash.
And despite Boras, I don’t think Beltre will get such a huge number that it would be an albatross. He’s also only 30 so if they need to do a 3 year deal, that’s not the worst thing in the world. Four or five, though, and it may be Mike Lowell all over again by the end of it.
Miguel Cabrera
- A trade for him doesn’t make a lot (or any) type of value for the purchasing team because he’s due to 126 millions in the next 6 years with a projected value of 118 millions so basically he’s paied what he’s worth!
Coming to that conclusion, the deal makes (relative) sens if only the Tigers ship him for free! and we all know that’s certainly not the case, because they’ll ask for 4-5 premium prospects.
If we factor in his off field antics and weight problems (He’ll end up as a DH, which will plummet his value even more), He’s certainly not worth the trade!
Before I finish, remember that the Tigers financial situation isn’t that bad (Link) and with the expiring contracts they’ll have next year (Bonderman, Robertson, Willis and maybe Ordonnez) and the ones they got rid off this year (Jackson and Ganderson), they’ll have all the financial resources to keep him and extend Verlander and I personally think that that’s the route they’re going to take illustrated by their aggressive approach to move Guillen in a 3 way deal.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
Can Lowrie Play 3rd?
Maybe we don’t need to make a trade or sign Beltre. Lowrie is blocked at short right now anyway and when Jose comes up he might be jobless. If he can play decent third it might provide him with a chance to stick around.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
if they don't trust him to stay healthy to play short
they don’t trust him to stay healthy. He won’t be in the starting lineup until he’s completely proved he is.
let him prove he's healthy in Pawtucket
then trade him – he’ll have decent value having shown he can be successful (when healthy) at the ML level before (2008). He’ll be obviously blocked in the Sox system by Scutaro so the stay in AAA won’t hurt his perceived value.
Plus he’s insurance (IF HE IS HEALTHY) that they can bring up if Scutaro turns out to be a stiff.
I don’t like the idea of having him on the ML roster on the bench because I think he needs at-bats.
No reason to sell low on him
unless the Sox feel that they get good value back. He is young and Scutaro is only signed for 2 years. He can be valuable even in 10 if healthy since Scutaro can play many positions and Lowrie can play 2 he can get some time if healthy.
agreed
I dont’ want to sell him low.
I just would like him to get at bats at Pawtucket instead of sitting on the bench at Fenway. Plus, if he’s stuck behind Scutaro for 2 years, then Iglesias will be knocking at the door by then and is supposed to be The Real Deal at SS.
In other words, there may not end up being a place for Lowrie in this organization. I like him a lot. Sometimes that’s how the business works (See Masterson, Justin.).
for the time, while he's really cheap
he is at the very least, the best utility infielder option I can imagine. If someone gets hurt, between him and Scutaro, we pretty much have the whole field covered.
He is REALLY cheap right now.
Beltre all the way
Gonzalez would be a better pickup, he’s an amazing player who would destroy at Fenway. That said, he’s going to cost enough (especially with Hoyer) to cripple the Sox farm for a few years, and he’s not worth that- he is not a team in himself, as the Padres have proven.
I love Beltre’s defense, and I think at Fenway (which is pretty much the opposite of Safeco), his bat is going to have a huge recovery and he’ll put up at least Lowell-like numbers.
It depends on costs
If the Padres would accept, say, Lars for Gonzales straight up, that’s the best deal. Though if they were that dumb, Theo really ought to find a way for them to give him Pujols too — never mind that Pujols is on a different team.
If the Padres want all our top prospects, though — which would probably include Buchholz, who we need for the rotation in 2010 — Beltre is a much better investment.
if they were dumb enough to make that trade
in any case, they wouldn’t care which prospects they had :D
so the Sox are getting Agon and Blanks in a trade?
or are you saying the Padres will ask for another 1B prospect to go with Blanks? Does not seem likely. They want pitching and lots of it.
no my point was
RSNexile wasn’t really making a trade suggestion. I was just saying that the offer would be so ridiculous that they clearly wouldn’t care about anything. It just seemed like an unnecessary place to point out they have a great 1B prospect because it didn’t really seem relevant to his point
Exactly
Really, Gonzales for Anderson straight up? And I quote:
Though if they were that dumb, Theo really ought to find a way for them to give him Pujols too — never mind that Pujols is on a different team.
The point is that if the Padres were willing to give us Gonzales for guys we don’t really need or who don’t have a future in Boston anyway, he’d be better than Beltre. But since that’s about as likely as Papi hitting .400 next year, I think we could all live with Beltre.
I chose Miggy C.
AGon is not coming to Boston, again why would a guy who just got hired turn around and expose his “dream job” to speculation of giving a discount to his former employer?
So AGon is only attainable by overpaying…which is foolish.
Miggy C. on the other hand can be gotten at an all time low. He has a huge contract, he has underperformed somewhat, Detroit as a city is a dead city, the recession’s 2nd punch is about to hit in early 2010 and the Tigers need to save money for Verlander (an easy 17 million/year guy) and Porcello (who is represented by Boras).
Miggy C. is going to cost a boatload of prospects and top players
The Sox have sort of hinted that all the 2009 trades for V-Mart, Gonzo, Wagner etc. have cost 8 prospects. The Tigers are going to demand straight up Buchholz and Ellsbury as they did for Granderson, with another prospect thrown in for Miggy. The Sox are going to demand some salary relief, if the Tigers are going to demand a king’s ransom, and when they are not in a position to be dictating the terms. The Tigers tend to act like the Nationals under Bowden, when they refuse to deal Soriano in a trade and the Rays, when they had bad management, and would make idiotic trade demands, (Florida is also renown for being tough to do deals with, witness them backing out of the Manny deal at the last minute)
As much as I can overlooked Miggy C’s ongong issues like weight and Tiger Woods domestic violence, I just don’t see the Sox ready to deal with the Tigers for Miggy C.
Tiger Woods domoestic violence?
Woods is a philanderer, his wife attacked his car with a golf club.
Or at least that’s what I’ve gleaned while trying my best to avoid it.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Miggy got in a fight with his wife
and was seen with a shiner at the end of season. Woods got either a chipped tooth or a bloody mouth when his wife found him “sexting” one of his squeezes in the middle of the night.
by superferret on Dec 11, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions

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