What would it take to get Adrian Gonzalez? Part Two.

by Dustin's #1 Fan on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM EST Comment 51 comments

As I listed in part 1, a possible package could be: Casey Kelly, Ryan Kalish or Josh Reddick, Yamaico Navarro, Stolmy Pimentel, Adam Mills, Micheal Bowden.

This deal could be accepted, but if it doesn't, Theo could get more aggressive tossing in more players.

Casey Kelly, Jed Lowrie, Josh Reddick, Micheal Bowden, Adam Mills, and Ryan Westmoreland, are all players that the Padres could be interested in. If you compare each offer you can see, that the second is more appealing.

They are both 6 player offers
They both include Casey Kelly, Adam Mills, Michael Bowden, and Stolmy Pimmentel
Josh Reddick is more mayor league ready than Ryan Kalish
Jed Lowrie is more mayor league ready than Yamaico Navarro

If that is not good enough, the Red Sox should give up and consider Prince Fielder, Felix Hernandez, and a cheaper Roy Halladay.

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Which player would you rather see the Red Sox get more, considering the cost?

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We would never do this.

It’s basically the entire top 10 of our farm system. Theo is not going to sell the future of the franchise for one player. I really don’t think it would take this much either.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Okay maybe I exagerated

but those are the type of players they will want

by Dustin's #1 Fan on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure the Sox will gut their system for Gonzalez

Especially since they have three players capable of playing 1B: Youk, VMart, and Kotchman.

Also, I can’t see the team eating Lowell’s $12 million. They owe Lugo $9 million for next year and another million for Wagner. The Sox have roughly $111 million in payroll obligations for next year. That doesn’t include Wakefield’s $4 million or Bay/replacement LF. The Sox probably want to keep payroll under $130 million, maybe less since Henry’s business seems to be suffering at the moment.

Young, cost-controlled players are important. And while Gonzalez is younger and cheaper than Bay/Holliday, he doesn’t play LF—and San Diego won’t be taking Lowell’s contract. Assuming the Sox sign or adequately replace Bay and are healthy next year, the offense should be fine. The team scored 872 runs last year, their best since 2005, even with two-month long slumps by Ortiz and Bay. The biggest problem the Sox have is run-prevention. They are below average defensively in LF, CF, 3B, and C.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I with the Drugs (yes, that was intentional)

I just don’t see the Sox doing it. No matter how many different packages you make or the number of Parts you make for the FanPosts. The system is semi-depleted at certain levels and the Padres are trying to rebuild their Major League Club….not their Farm.

The Answer is No. Final.

I will look like a complete fool if this trade actually does happen though. If it does, the 2012-2016 Redsox will not be pretty.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." -- Mike Royko

by sox-inda-south on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In the Hot Stove Season anything can happen

As I said in the other thread, I won’t be surprised either way. I wouldn’t be surprised if we made the trade, and I wouldn’t be surprised if San Diego demanded more than Theo’s willing to give up.

Either choice is about as likely as any other major trade we’ve had brewing. Gonzalez, Halladay, Hernandez, Ramirez, etc. etc.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Nov 9, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree. The Red Sox have a financial advantage over other clubs.

While I understand a stocked farm system is a must for some teams, this is not the case for the Red Sox. We are not the MFY, however we are not the Pirates either. The point is this organization can absorb some risk where some other clubs cannot. We have a great deal of contracts expiring over the next year and the younger player FA market is looking nice after this winter. We will be okay. If anything 2010 will be the year that doesn’t look pretty.

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 9, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The more risk you absorb this year, the less you can next year

If next year is going to be that ugly — and I agree with you that it will — you need to maximize your flexibility for next year. Taking on a huge payroll this year while gutting the farm system pretty much means you have to re-sign Beckett and you don’t have the flexibility to chase other free agents or the prospects to pursue trades next year.

by RSNexile on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and if it does

the 2010 – 2014 Red Sox will not be pretty either

by Dustin's #1 Fan on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

AGonz

A few days ago I posted a fantasy trade that started along similar lines for Gonzalez. The idea was to mix in top porspects (Kalish/Kelly) with moderately cheap young usable players (Hermida/Kotchman). Rightfully, this was marked as far too little, and the Pads do not need a 1b since they have a top prospect (Tate) to play that position. As a guess, the only way this deal would work (potentially for both sides) is something like Westmoreland, Kalish, Kelly and Bard from the Sox, the Sox shipping Lowell to a contender (with the Sox eating part contract) and said contender shipping a moderate talent to the Pads. I am not sure the Sox would part with both Westmoreland and Kalish, and perhaps the Pads would want more with regard to near-MLB ready position players. But, whatever-the Sox cannot send Lowrie or Buccholz in such a deal for obvious reasons, and I think the above type of deal would be too costly overall for the Sox in the long run.

As for Agonz-it would be fun thinking about how much offense a lineup of
Ellsbury, Pedroia,Gonzalez, Youkilis, VMart, Bay, Papi, Drew and Lowrie would put up. An amazing thing I read was that only 8 of Gonzalez 40 homers last year were pulled. On the otherhand, we would have to contend with a lack of depth created by the departure of Lowell, some bad 3b play from Youk (with the potential for more injury down time from Youk how gets banged up enough as it is at 1b), and the fact that Gonzalez is a pretty poor hitter against LHP. In fact, I think that of the 4 full-time lefties such a hypothetical lineup would have, AG would have the worst OPS against LHP in the lineup.

by Buzzy on Nov 9, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

AG is probably unattainable now

just bc of the Hoyer signing. I really doubt SD will deal him to the Sox unless the Sox overpay so that Hoyer can look at the fan base and say he did not give a discount to his former employer. His job is more important right now v. Theo’s love.

Buchholz is not gonna be traded, neither is Bard. Both have proven they can handle the bigs and sending either in a trade opens another hole.

Ive said it before, and I know most dont agree, but King Felix is the target. He will not resign with Seattle, Seattle must deal him and Felix will want to be the highest paid pitcher in baseball. Which he probably deserves. This will be a similar move as the Pedro trade and I expect Casey Kelly to be the centerpiece of the trade.

Felix does not make it to July in a Mariner’s uni. Mark it down boys.

AG would cost so much to get now, with Hoyer, its a dream that will never come true. Just wait for his FA year.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 9, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Felix ain't moving.

For the last time forget it. Why do you think he will move? What evidence or logic would say he would go? As we have repeatedly said, he is a 23 year old star on a high payroll team that is always a few chips away from contending. He is he is cheap, and the M’s are losing half of their high payroll. The only way he moves is if he robs a bank. If you want more evidence, see the two links below. The first says that not a single person in the know thinks he will move. Not a single one. Not one. The second is self-explainatory. Now, tell me again why you think he is movable?

1)http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=4637105
2)http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/statuses/5564209601

by Buzzy on Nov 9, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yes exactly

people are always acting with Felix as if the Mariner’s had a Marlins-level payroll. They don’t they’re a big spending team- over the next few years, if they can improve their lineup to be able to drive more runs in, they’re easily contenders. They love Felix and will do everything to keep him as long as possible- plus between him and Ichiro, they’ve got huge star power that fans love. I think even after the two years, the only way that Felix leaves Seattle is if the Yankees do the overpaying thing (though honestly, for an ace pitcher that will only be 25, it’s hard to even imagine what could be called overpaying… 10 years, $210 million maybe? But even that doesn’t sound absurd… a player like Felix is practically a priceless resource). What he can get is practically limitless, one of the best pitchers in baseball a FA at 25…

by wolf9309 on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

last time i checked

Seattle never paid anyone $20 million, not even A-Rod. So now they are going to shell out $25 million a year?

Yeah not buying that, Felix is going to a Big Market team or he will enter FA and get a record contract and Seattle will never be able to come near his price.

Think LAA, do you think they wanted Mark Teixeira to re-sign? But they were not even in the running when you look at the contract offered by Reagans.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 10, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If Seattle is not a big market, then the only big FHer (great nickname) for another two years cheap. They will keep him for at least another year, trying to extend him. He will take the something like what CC got and not risk getting hurt. If he does not and, Seattle might trade him next year.

What is with the $200M deal? There has only been one player ever paid that much and he was not a pitcher. The Red Sox basically have the same ability to sign FHer as the Mariners. So are you saying that he will for sure go to the Yankees in two years? I think there is some time to get an extension done before then.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

First sentence all screwed up. Should read: If Seattle is not a big market, then the only big market is in NY. The Mariners have FHer for another two years cheap.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Seattle is paying Ichiro $18 million per

They overpaid Beltre ($13.4 million this year), Silva ($12.25 million), Washburn ($10.35 million). Their payroll was over $99 million this year, down from $117.7 million the year before. They lose over $50 million in payroll this year, and they’ve never been afraid to pay for talent. Buzzy, BTLove, and wolf9309 are right. The M’s have the resources to keep Hernandez.

Also, Theo has never given a player a $200 million contract.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

plus

it’s worth pointing out that their 2009 payroll was almost $20mm short of their 2008 payroll

by wolf9309 on Nov 11, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone want to put YOUR money where you opinion is?

Ill put $100 on Felix is gone by July, another $100 that he will be in either Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago or NY by his FA year.

You guys probably think Lebron is staying in Cleveland?

Seattle is never going to pay Felix what he wants and Theo will jump at the chance to sign him for whatever he wants.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 11, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sort of like the following bold predictions:

(1) Adam Dunn will be easier to move than Nick Johnson.
(2) Washington wants to move Dunn because they can’t afford him.
(3) Stephen Strasburg will sign for $50 million.
(4) The Sox will trade Buchholz to get VMart.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ahh please Drugs

Yet VMart is a Red Sox and you and Buzzy went off for an entire page about how ridiculous of a concept it was to sign a below avg catcher who plays 1st base…

or that Nick Johnson was a exception hitter v. Adam Dunn. or that Johnson’s injuries were minor bc they were “fluke” accidents.

Boras made the $50 million statement.

Felix staying in Seattle and giving up the chance to play in the playoffs is about as likely as Bron Bron giving up the opportunity to play for Jay-Z bc he grew up in Akron.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 11, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or almost forgot

That SD will never trade AG when he is under contract. LOL, now you have multiple teams trying to trade for AG and most people on this board believe that its a possibility.

Boy, I remember those lectures from the stat geeks….how SD would never give up or even consider trading AG…

Funny.

Stick to stats, leave the business side of sports to others. Bill James is a consultant, he does not run the team.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 11, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong

We said the Gonzalez wouldn’t be traded at the Deadline. Was he?

Nick Johnson was a .400 wOBA hitter for the Marlins. That’s roughly the same as what VMart gave the Sox (.399 wOBA) after the Deadline.

As for the VMart trade, the Sox still have a logjam at 1B. I’m not sure the Sox want VMart to catch 120+ games because he’ll wear down. But, they didn’t give up the “unproven” Buchholz to get him. The “proven” Masterson wasn’t too much to give up. Ultimately, the trade will come down to how good Hagadone is, as trades for prospects can’t be assessed in half a year.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We didn’t think AGonz would get traded at the deadline this year. And he didn’t. As he gets closer and closer to free agency the likelihood increases.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also,

you realize Theo Epstein is a “stat geek.” The Bill Plasckes for the world (I’m sure he’s one of your favorites) roundly criticized the move. Two World Series later…

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 11, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember the V-Mart argument.

I was also against trading for him if we had to give up Clay Bucholz. Turns out Drugs, Buzzy and myself were all right about that. Theo ended up giving them much lesser players.

Adam Dunn 2009 WAR=1.4 Nick Johnson 2009 WAR=2.4.

I think there is a solid chance that Felix leaves, but not right now. The Mariners will try to resign him. They have given out big contracts in the past (Beltre, Ichiro etc.) and they might again. I doubt he is traded this off-season, but next year, if he seems insistent on free agency, they’ll probably trade him.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+10000

by Buzzy on Nov 11, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have a better bet.

If Felix is still on Seattle by August you never post on this site again. If he is
traded to any team I will not, and I will send you 100$.

by Buzzy on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey now, that kinda stuff is reserved for NG.

SA has a right to his opinion, as long as he can back it up.

@bs_uf15bosox9be 12 pieces of bacon, a Red Bull, and go get 'em; Learn to use SB Nation

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 13, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure

he does, and he need not accept the terms of the bet-but if one is so sure…

by Buzzy on Nov 14, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes,

I am saying that unless the Mariners pay him 20-25 million a year he will most likely be playing for the Yankees in 2 years. And yes, I am saying that Seattle is not a big market team. It never has. The Supersonics were in a small market and moved bc of no deal for a new stadium. Seattle is not Boston when it comes to MLB revenues and its not LA or Chicago when it comes to its fan bases.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 11, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Then

the only big market team is the Yankees, as BT has said, because the difference between Seattle and Boston payrolls is less than 20% generally.

by Buzzy on Nov 11, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

except

Market is more than just payroll. It is the fanbase and the revenue the team brings in. It is possible for a rich owner of a small-mid market team to spend big for a couple years, but if he is taking a business loss in it, then the high payroll is not sustainable. Here we have a huge market (all of New England) and certain other advantages like NESN bring in huge amount of money. Not sure what their business is like, I don’t think they’re close to the size of the red sox in marketability, but they are far from a small market team.

by wolf9309 on Nov 12, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Henry's

business is really, really suffering. Not sure what that means for the Sox.

by Buzzy on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah it is unfortunately

but I doubt that will have a huge effect on the sox really, except that he probably won’t dive deep into his own pockets to make a huge payroll. I believe the actual red sox portion of his business is doing fine (I can’t imagine how it wouldn’t anyways with a sold out year at fenway and NESN ratings growing), so he’ll probably continue to invest those earnings into the team- I’d guess payroll will be about where it was 2009, maybe a bit higher (considering in both 08 and 09 it dropped considerably, it’s probably on the low end of where he feels comfortable). That doesn’t necessarily bode well for the people hoping to get Holliday, but it may be doable as long as wel don’t make too many other costly moves.

by wolf9309 on Nov 12, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Sox only make a profit through NESN

Like the MFY, they take a loss on their baseball operations.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 12, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Link?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

bc its simple economics

why would Felix stay in Seattle for less money when the Red Sox and Yankees have a $200 million dollar deal waiting for him?

Also, bc every time a big possible FA, with the exception of Cliff Lee and Vmart, come around everyone talks a big ass game about what he is worth in prospects and players and how the team with his rights will never give up so and so player bc they want package “X” or prospect “X.”

What happens is the over hype machine makes it so the team does not pull the trigger and then sells off the player for pennies in the next season. There is no way Seattle will be that stupid when you look at Minnesota who got basically JJ Hardy for Johan Santana when they could of gotten a boat load of players from Boston and that Philly made it to the WS with Cliff Lee, kept their top 3 prospects and Haladay is going to be sent for parts in this offseason.

Seattle does not have 200 million dollars, they didnt for A-Rod, that is a pipe dream and if they trade now, they get top prospects, if they wait they get JJ Hardy or 2 draft picks and Felix is still in Boston or NYC making 200 million dollars. CC didn’t want to even leave the west coast and he took the money, what makes you think Felix is going to turn down the stage, the money, the spot light to play in Seattle?

That is why Felix will be in another uni by July. And as for Jon Heyman, is that guy ever correct? Seriously?

by SoxAcumen on Nov 10, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I will make this simple for you-

Since Epstein has become GM, what is the biggest contract the Sox have given out? If you think Epstein is going to give up the farm for someone and sign him for 20 mil a year? If so you have nnot been following this team closely. The Mariners payroll was 117 million in 08 and 100 million last year. Our payroll was 132 in 08 and 121 last year. What is the big difference. Furthemore, Seattle loses 40+ million dollars in contracts this year alone. We lose essentially nothing. Learn something please-we are not the Yankees. Our payroll is 20% or less larger than Seattle’s. That is not a big difference.
Why don’t we make a bet on if he is with the M’s after the 31st of July, 2010?

by Buzzy on Nov 10, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

learn something?

this coming from the guy who said Vmart was a bad deal at the time and that Theo would never make a move to get a below avg catcher who plays first base. In fact as I remember you called me a moron or something to that effect and went on a hissy fit bc I suggested that Theo was going to trade for VMart.

You also claimed that Nick Johnson was a better player than Adam Dunn, which I really dont want to get into again, but I think we all know which player most people would take.

Here’s what I do know, money talks and every big time FA takes the money 1st. Now, if you believe Seattle can sign a guy who stands to blow CC’s contract away in 2 years, well then you are correct.

But this will not happen and any one who understands negotiations knows that Felix can dictate whatever he wants and his agent knows this.

Seattle does not have the money or the team to make this work and they can sit on Felix and get nothing or JJ Hardy or cash in and move on.

Hell, Seattle cannot get Russell Branyon and Jack Wilson to re-sign, very appealing place to pitch with Ichiro and a 40 year old Griffey as your only run support.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 11, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well

no one can get jack wilson to sign for the amount he should sign for (or at least seattle and pittsburgh can’t). If they can’t get Branyan to sign, that’s unfortunate for them but it’s probably because they don’t want to offer too much money for someone whos health they don’t trust and who, at the age of 34, just player his first season as an everyday regular, but that Overbay guy they’re talking with Toronto about isn’t so shabby really…
Seattle has a lot of room in their payrool for the year and i expect them to make some significant changes this offseason. Maybe i’ll be disappointed.

by wolf9309 on Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

VMart

for Buchholz is and would be a bad deal (even though you made a fanpost that that was going to be the deal). VMart as a 1b is at best an average hitting 1b. VMart hit worse than LaRoche did for us. These are all facts and were the facts that I argued before the deal. If VMart can hold up as a catcher and hit like he did last year and we (didn’t) give up too much (eg Hagadone does not pan out) then the deal was a good one, and I would nor argue it. Go back and look what I wrote-since they are all on record. I said that VMart was not worth Buchholz, that VMart was not a good hitting 1b, and that LaRoche was as good a hitter. Now…dispute any of these please, genius.

by Buzzy on Nov 11, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

stop

twisting my words. I said Dunn is a better hitter. I said Johnson was available. Maybe to a lawyer available=better. You do understand that we can look these things up? But, since you ask, Johnson is a better player by WAR as BT has posted.

by Buzzy on Nov 11, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He has 2 more years of arbitration and Mariners want to compete. They will keep him.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 10, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

And, as Buzzy noted, they have the money to re-sign him.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 10, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No they dont

Stop that, you all know nobody but big market teams have the money to sign him. He will sign for 200 million + bc that is what Boston and NY teams are willing to pay. And if Cuban buys the Dodgers, he will be in on this as well.

Seattle has no where near enough to spend v. what Felix will make on the open market. And if you guys dont know this, trust me his agent does…

Right now his agent is trying to get Felix the hell out of Seattle ASAP so that he can make his 5%.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 10, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't really think that's true

I could see NY maybe overpaying to the tune of $200 million if he continues for a couple of years to improve, but only possibly NY and only if he gets even better. Remember, Sabbathia did get $161 million and was a little older, but he was already a proven year in year out workhorse with a Cy Young under his belt.

Felix looks amazing and will probably end up being worth a ton, but I don’t think at this point any team would be willing to shell out $200 million for him. There’s no way that he gets traded before the deadline and only then if he pitches even better than he has in the past and the haul they get for him is unheard-of ridiculous.

Just the amount of years that contract would take would require proof that he is an absolute workhorse, because it is hard and dangerous to predict injury this early in a pitcher’s career.

by wolf9309 on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to throw this out there, as the naive, uncorrupted young kid point of view:

What if Felix isn’t as concerned about money as you think?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 13, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There's some validity to this

If he has the view Beckett had that either way he’s going to make a ridiculous amount of money so he can just be where he wants. Especially because I would imagine that he enjoys pitching at Safeco.

I think he’s definitely gone if the Mariners don’t intensely up the offense and get more runs in, because at the very least, every player wants to win. If he’s one of the best pitchers in baseball he isn’t going to want to take a discount to play on an okay team.

It’s worth saying though, that he’s 23, and so probably isn’t all that settled to the point where he’s decided he wants to spend his life in Seattle, that usually happens with players a bit older or who are from the area in the first place.

Either way though, he’s making a ton of money.

I think the fact is that he’s going to want the most money and/or a chance to win, and the big spending teams are his best chance for both.

by wolf9309 on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True.

Just making sure that wasn’t being skipped over – of course, comparing his mindset to Beckett’s is unfair, since the man’s a modern day philosopher.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 18, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

which makes him valuable to a team that CAN pay him in 2 years

But, lets not get crazy, Felix is not gonna resign so either the Mariners start beating the Angels NOW, which they haven’t been able too, or they move him and compete latter.

If they keep him, they get nothing.

by SoxAcumen on Nov 10, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs