Not in love with Jed

by beantownbeamer34 on Nov 7, 2009 11:25 AM EST Comment 32 comments

Ok so all the talk about LF(keep bay!!) lets talk about ss!

-SS has been the sox biggest problem area since Nomar left

-maybe its just me but im not sold on Jed, he seems to be taking his sweet old time to progress (granteed his was injured but with the mfy as the champs we need somthing now!)

-Gonz is old and although did well the last part of the season, i dont trust he can have that kind of full year. plus he's expencive

-I think theo is due for a big trade. papelbon's name has been in rumors like crazy. set up a package deal pap, prospects, cash, maybe another everyday player for a great ss. hardy's gone but i still think he wouldnt of fixed the ss spot for the sox. we need someone better.....my vote? Hanley Ramirez lol....yes i know im crazy but i can dream cant i??

-any thoughts?

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Actually, Nomar was a problem at short

That’s why he was traded. And Theo isn’t going to be able to acquire anyone substantially better than Jed by trade, so we’re stuck with him for now.

So if there’s going to be a big trade, the options are really limited to Adrian Gonzalez or a starting pitcher — Halladay, Webb, Hernandez, and the like. None of those seem particularly likely, and they don’t fill the biggest gap in the starting lineup.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

What do you see as the biggest gap in the starting lineup?

If we get a full year of Jed at what he did in 0.5 years of a full season in 08, and if Bay/Holliday are in LF, this is a very potent lineup. We will almost never have black holes in the lineup like we did at SS/C for long portions of the year. It projects to be basically a 900 run offense.

by Buzzy on Nov 7, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You can't assume Bay/Holliday in LF

Bay rejected 4/$60M, and he’s not worth much more than that, and Holliday is going to be looking for $20M/year or close to it. You can’t assume that Theo will sign anyone for that kind of money, even if there isn’t anyone as good available in free agency.

That means that LF is our biggest hole right now, or CF if Ellsbury is shifted over. Either way, our biggest need is a starting outfielder.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

source on 4/$60M rejection?

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 7, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure I read that here

I’ll see if I can find it.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ok

just wondering whatyou meant by “biggest gap.” I agreewe can’t assume Bay,but I think the odds are better than even that he stays.

by Buzzy on Nov 7, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have a feeling someone will sweep in and trade for Adrian very soon, and the Sox will be in trouble

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 7, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Really?

What team needs a 1B, can afford to extend his contract, and can put together a package of players that would make San Diego want to trade their best player?

Let’s look at the top 16 payrolls—from Milwaukee ($80.2 million) to the MFY ($207 million). The following teams already have a 1B: MFY (Teixeira), Cubs (Lee), Tigers (Cabrera), Angels (Morales), Phillies (Howard), Astros (Berkman), Dodgers (Loney), White Sox (Konerko), Blue Jays (Overbay), and Brewers (Fielder). Some of those 1B are in the last year of their contract. But almost all of those are highly paid players who will be hard to move.

Assuming the Sox are interested, here are the teams that may want Gonzalez: Sox, Mets, M’s, Braves, Giants, and Indians. I think the last two teams can be eliminated. I can’t see the Padres trading Gonzalez within the division. Nor can I see the Tribe putting together a big package for a player who will be a FA after 2011. Of the remaining teams, the Mets have little to offer. That leaves the Sox, Braves, and Mariners. That’s a pretty limited field.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

White Sox also could be an option. It’s about time that Konerko is moved to DH.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 7, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You may be right, but they also have Carlos Quentin

He’s not a great outfielder and he’s really better suited to be a DH anyway.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

White Sox have both Peavy and Rios on their payroll

I just don’t know if they have the payroll space to offer Gonzalez an extension, which should be a major point for any team acquiring him.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Nov 8, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think extending A Gonz is a requirement for a team in need he has 2 full seasons left.

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 7, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well in most cases they'd want to

Because he’s going to cost a ridiculous amount if someone can actually get him, probably teams that can’t afford the payroll aren’t going to want to almost deplete their farm systems for two years of him.

by wolf9309 on Nov 7, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Atlanta Braves after trading for Tex say hello

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, and I'm sure there's no one in that FO who would rather not have made that trade

All those players for Teix, who left anyway and they got Casey Kotchman back in exchange fromt he Angels. I would think that in hindsight, they’d rather have guys like Feliz back.

While you can probably make the trade without an extension (you can wait a year I suppose), but you’re taking a risk. The closer a player is to FA, the more he’d be willing to risk it to get a bigger payday. I would hope the Sox would push for an extension anyway, even if it’s not an absolute must.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Nov 8, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Braves gave up a ton to get Teixeira

For about 1-year of service. By any measure, it was a bad trade. Atlanta sent Saltalamacchia, Andrus, Feliz, and two other prospects for Teix and Mahay. The Braves went for it in 2007 and got little from LA when they had to move Teix in 2008. I think the Teixeira trade is a warning to teams looking for a short-term fix.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 8, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Worst. Example. Ever.

@bs_uf15bosox9be 12 pieces of bacon, a Red Bull, and go get 'em; Learn to use SB Nation

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 13, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You act as if the Sox have some sort of manifest destiny to acquire Gonzalez.

by Ben Buchanan on Nov 7, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Breaking out the old tool:

www.instantrimshot.com

@bs_uf15bosox9be 12 pieces of bacon, a Red Bull, and go get 'em; Learn to use SB Nation

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 13, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Everytime someone says Hanley I cringe.

It makes us look very much like the steretypical image of Sox fans thinking that every team and its stars act as our glorified farm system.

by Ben Buchanan on Nov 7, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We developed him, so maybe it’s not as bad.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 7, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm OK with Lowrie starting

If healthy, I see no reason why he wouldn’t be a .750+ OPS player with a good glove. I think it’s silly to say he is “taking his sweet time to progress”. He played injured for half a season in 2008, and was a 1.9 WAR player. Last year he lost a year to the same injury. He should be fully healed by spring training.

In terms of “progress,” you have to go back to 2003 to find a year where the Sox got more than 1.9 WAR from the SS position.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

That's just it

Will he be spectacular? It’s unlikely, but who’s out there who would be better who won’t cost all our top prospects? We’ve already heard that the Brewers wanted Buchholz and Bard for Hardy. Ok, so they’re obviously high on something, but if that’s what other teams want for a guy who can reasonably be expected to be only slightly better than Lowrie and may actually be worse, what would it take to get a premier shortstop?

If Lowrie is healthy, he deserves his shot next year. If he’s healthy, he should be at least league average and that’ll have to be good enough. In the meanwhile, let Theo concentrate on filling out our outfield and getting us a starter to occupy the rotation while Wake is on the DL.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it was Buch or Bard, but still you’re right. I just want a guy in addition to Jed that we would be happy starting, considering Jed’s injury history.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 7, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right

I meant to type “or” and it came out “and.” Still, anyone who thinks Hardy is worth a potential ace or top closer is partaking of too many hallucinatory substances.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that's a reasonable expectation

by Salty on Nov 14, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This statement bothers me:

with the mfy as the champs we need somthing now!

The MFY winning doesn’t change anything. Thankfully, Theo isn’t going to make a panic move or overpay someone just because the MFY won.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

The goal is to make the playoffs, with a chance at the WS, every single year. I hope that Theo will do everything he can do accomplish this whether the Yankees win or not.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Nov 7, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

It takes the right combo of things to work, good starting pitching, a good bullpen, and clutch hitting.
Trading for one panacea player isn’t going to solve problems or beat the MFY or any good team. A team has to stymie another good team strength, like stopping Jeter getting on base, or striking out Porn Matsui. (if Porn Matsui is a MFY next year)

I rarely question the Sox FO moves, they know they have to give up talent to get talent, but I don’t seem them doing an Erik Bedard trade that the Mariners did, (Btw Adam Jones won the Gold Glove) Nor do I see Roy Halladay as a cure all to the Sox problems.

by superferret on Nov 10, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How can you not love this face:

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 7, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!

Li’l Brudder for the win!

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Nov 8, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I just feel like

saying “Omahhh” feels so right.

I’d love to see Vizquel as a backup for Jed. He may be AARP eligible, but still one of the best defenders out there.

Jed is #1 though. His potential is huge. I think he does need a chance to play uninjured. Unless he fails miserably in ST, I expect him to be the main plan for the year, especially because the market is so weak on short stops who we would want for more than a year. I don’t think he’s taking time to progress- remember, before his injury, he was hitting and fielding great- he is taking his time to heal, but that’s at least as much the FO fault as it is Jed’s. I think this year is probably his last chance though, if he can’t prove he can come back healthy this year, he’s probably doomed to a short career as a utility infielder for a noncontender.

The only way I can see us using somebody else as our main ss is if he goes to San Diego (if we did somehow make a trade, a major league ready utility IF who can play 2nd, ss, and 3rd is one of their major needs, so I would expect him to be part of the package, plus the other Jed (Hoyer) has been very clear that he was a huge Lowrie fan in the past)

by wolf9309 on Nov 18, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs