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Didn't See Here Already- Peter Gammons on Josh beyond 2010, compared to Doc and CC




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Beckett is highly respected by the Boston staff. He is the gunslinger who relishes the role of the No. 1 starter. His between-start bullpen sessions are clinics in diligent perfection; he is accountable and always the toughest guy in the room.

 

 

But Beckett clearly is looking at the money the Yankees paid CC Sabathia ($161 million over seven years) and thinking he, too, can make between $15 million and $20 million. That will be a very tough call for the Red Sox, not much different from the call the Angels were required to make on John Lackey.

 

Sabathia was 28 on Opening Day 2009; Beckett will be 31 on Opening Day 2011. Sabathia is left-handed in a left-handed park, and he was a centerpiece for the opening of a spectacular new stadium. He was rationally signable because the Yankees had pared so much from their payroll. Sabathia did not disappoint, either, tying for the league lead in wins (19) and finishing fourth in ERA (3.37) and innings pitched (230), then winning three games in the postseason while allowing eight earned runs in 36 1/3 innings (1.98 ERA) with a 32-9 strikeout-walk ratio.

 

 

If Beckett at 30 can stay away from the back, oblique, elbow or shoulder ailments that have sidetracked him, he could win 20 games and pitch the Red Sox deep into October 2010. But tie on five years and that carries him through the age of 35. It's a very difficult call for the Red Sox.

 

 

As much as anyone who knows Beckett believes in him and his ability to rise to any occasion, there are some facts to consider:

 

• His earned-run average in his four years with Boston is 4.05.

 

• He has accepted the role of postseason warrior and was brilliant in both 2003 and 2007 as he led the Marlins and Red Sox to world championships, but in the past two postseasons he has one win, and in 21 innings he has more earned runs allowed (18) than strikeouts (17).

 

• In his past two regular seasons he is 29-16, 3.93.

 

• Include his great 2007 season (20-7, 3.27) and he is the third-winningest pitcher in baseball the past three seasons. The comparisons with the other two win leaders:

 

 

2007-09: Beckett vs. Sabathia vs. Halladay

Sabathia, Halladay and Beckett are the three winningest pitchers in baseball over the last three years.

RecordERAIP
Sabathia 55-25 3.08 724
Halladay 53-28 3.08 710 1/3
Beckett 49-23 3.71 587 1/3

 

Pitching in the AL East accounts for some of the ERA difference with Sabathia, but CC did pitch this past season in New York and was in pennant races in 2007 and 2008. The 136 2/3-inning difference is significant.

 

 

Is it possible that if the Red Sox find they and Beckett's agent, Michael Moye, are speaking two different languages they would consider trading Beckett? Sure, but it is highly unlikely. The argument for it is that they would move on with Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz at the top of the rotation and prospect Casey Kelly a year from arrival, but what does that do for 2010, even if they were to sign a Ben Sheets or acquire a Javier Vazquez contract?

 

 

Would the Phillies trade Cole Hamels, big-time prospect Domonic Brown and another prospect for Beckett, then decide whether to sign Cliff Lee or Beckett before they're free agents next November? Probably not, as they refused to trade the 22-year-old Brown last July in a deal for Halladay. Would the Dodgers trade Chad Billingsley, Russell Martin and a top prospect for Beckett if the Red Sox made the finances right for L.A.? Maybe, maybe not, and there are concerns about Billingsley, as well as anything that might cost the Dodgers money. Texas won't part with its warehouse of minor league talent. Otherwise, the market may be thin.

 

 

So chances are unless there is some unexpected understanding, Beckett plays out 2010 and hits the free-agent market with Lee and Halladay. Red Sox fans will have, as little Tommy Rush from New Hampshire would say, no regrets, because Josh Beckett has brought presence, fire and a world championship to New England, and could do the same next season.

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by bdalebs on Nov 7, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Ah, So That's the Procedure

I’ll drop any future links in the filter, then, or throw up a quick abstract. Thank you for all your help so far, sir! :D

by Christopher B on Nov 7, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

No prob.

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by bdalebs on Nov 13, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Read this AM that Philly wants a new 3B

I’d try to make a package of Beckett/Lowell/Bowden/Bard/ $$$ for Werth and Hammels

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 7, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like a great deal for Philly

I’m not so sure about the Sox, though Werth seems like he’d be an upgrade over Bay — similar offensive output, but far superior defense. It’s a big dropoff from Beckett to Hamels, though, so even if you consider Beckett/Lowell for Werth/Hamels roughly equivalent, throwing in Bowden and Bard puts it over the top.

Take Bard out of the mix and I’d make that deal, though.

by RSNexile on Nov 7, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Well remember

It would be one year of each Beckett and Lowell and I believe both werth and hamels are under control for a while.

Reasonably, I think aging playersare the last thing they need/want. I think there’s very little chance of them giving up werth and hamels for anything

by wolf9309 on Nov 7, 2009 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hamels folded like a chap suit in the playoffs this year

and was quoted saying how he just couldn’t wait for the playoffs to be over. That’s not the type of mental toughness you want playing is Boston.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

*cheap suit

**in Boston

boo typing.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought a "chap suit"...

…might have been like a regular suit, only ass-less. :P

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

by Bloggy on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

STAY OUT OF THE BOX MARKED "JED'S STUFF"

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by bdalebs on Nov 13, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if the Sox can trade acquire Halladay or Felix, or another # 1- strong 2

(and i know that is not likely) then Beckett should be dealt away. I think Werth should be a target this winter. I think Lowell would be of serious interest to Philly.

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 7, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Felix won't be traded

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Nov 7, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

See the part where I said (and I know this is not likely)

duh

VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
Jason Bay is not WERTH it

by gizmosandy on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wins are a pretty terrible way of evaluating pitchers

Beckett’s FIPs from the last three years are: 3.08, 3.24, and 3.63. So I’d say he’s still a quite good pitcher.

by Gnick on Nov 7, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

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