A Very Gonzo Thanksgiving
by 0157H7 on Nov 26, 2009 11:08 AM EST
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According to Ken Rosenthal (citing a major league source), Alex Gonzalez has signed with the Toronto Blue Jays. Gonzalez, best known for being a shortstop who can hit over .111, play great defense (18.3 UZR/150 for Boston last year), and avoid crippling injury, signed for one year, $2.75 million (according to MLB's Jordan Bastian).
Assuming the report is true, and Hanley Ramirez isn't around the corner, this leaves the weight of the Red Sox infield resting on Jed Lowrie's sclerotic shoulders. Will the hemophilic hypochondriac be able to stand the pressure? Only time will tell. Thankfully, there are a lot of great hospitals in Boston.
Update: According to Tony Massarotti at the Boston Globe, Boston was prepared to offer $3 million for Gonzalez's services, but wanted to explore deals with other free agents (Scutaro?) first. Obviously, Gonzo wasn't willing to wait.
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Scutaro Claus is coming to town boys and girls
Like it or not.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only if Wagner signs elsewhere
A draft pick swap.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 26, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It essentially becomes a Wagner for Scuttaro trade.
I’d take that given there are more decent free agent relievers available than decent free agents at SS.
by dsharp on Nov 26, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Bay
He’ll also garner us a couple of picks if he goes elsewhere.
by Gnick on Nov 26, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Bay will have to be replaced
Most likely by another Type-A FA.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 26, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least
We’d get the sandwich pick
by wolf9309 on Nov 27, 2009 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm...
Sandwich. Weirdest part of the draft.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AND
most delicious.
The arbitration system must be rethought. This time by someone with working brain cells.
by wolf9309 on Nov 28, 2009 4:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
It’s supposed to protect bad teams, but the sandwich picks take away a lot of potential prospects from the teams drafting early in the 2nd round.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 29, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Scutaro doesn’t cost us draft picks unless TOR offers him arbitration. That’s not a sure thing by any means.
by dsharp on Nov 26, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, it's unlikely
If he accepts, then they have to pay him, Gonzo, and McDonald.
by RSNexile on Nov 26, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
With all three they’d have some pretty decent leverage to trade with teams like the sox. Might be worth the risk for them. They’d have no problem finding a home for one of those guys.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Everyone knows they aren’t going to carry three shortstops and would want to get rid of one of them. That makes their leverage negligible at best.
by RSNexile on Nov 26, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well by leverage
i mean that they know there will be someone that will take one of them and pay their contract. They don’t need much in exchange, anything is a bonus. We wouldn’t have a lot of choice except to trade something for one of the contracts. They wouldn’t be making huge gains out of it, but they also are pretty safe that they won’t be taking a loss and won’t need to end up paying 3 shortstops on their roster. I’m not saying they’ll be able to get someone like westmoreland or kelly for gonzo.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they jays will offfer it to him just they will offer such a low amount that scoots has no choice to say no.
by syc on Nov 26, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not how arbitration works
if they agree to do it, both the team and the player choose an amount of money that they think the player should make and then make their case. An arbitrator picks one of those numbers and that is the player’s salary. Therefore if they offered a ridiculously low amount, Scutaro would just get whatever he asked for.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they settled before the arbitrator makes their decision.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
in that situation why would scutaro possibly settle for the lowball offer the jays gave him before going to arb? He could say no to the lowball and then go to the arbiter.
If they tried to lowball him before they got to the arbiter, it would just mean they’d end up at the arbiter.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they went multiple years with him.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not if it was a lowball offer
like syc was saying. Unless I completely missed something there.
he wasn’t saying they would agree on something, he was saying they would offer something he would say no to. In which case he would go through the arb process and get well paid for a year.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
I don’t know, I’m not thinking clearly.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like the Jays will offer Scutaro arb
According to the Toronto Globe and Mail:
Marco Scutaro will still be offered salary arbitration but initial indications are that there is a three-year contract awaiting him on the open market – so the Blue Jays will gladly take the compensatory picks.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 26, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jays will offer Scutaro arb. for the same reason that the sox are going to offer it to Wagner: They know he’ll turn it down.
by Schulz on Nov 27, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it means Toronto gets picks if another team signs him
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 27, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O and BTW
Without Gonzo, doubt we make playoffs so thanks for that
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
Are youe being serious?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 26, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This past season?
Until we go him we were not too hot.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely illogical.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's talking about 2009 not 2010
unless i misunderstand… then it’s true, we would not have been in the playoffs in 2009 without gonzo.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2009 is what I'm speaking of
that’s why I said thanks for that, but could see where confusion came in.
Don’t know if your being sarcastic but until he came along, things were not going so well here.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope no sarcasm
just agreeing with you. No way we would’ve made the playoffs without him there.
In fact I think no way we would’ve made it to the playoffs if he had brought the bat everyone expected him to bring.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's not like he was the sole reason why we suddenly improved.
Which is what Sandy seems to be implying.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no he provided a nice spark for the team is what I am implying
we were stuck in the mud before he arrived
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But there were other sparks.
And if the FO actually believed he was going to hit like he did, then we need to check the water supply.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality:
The Sox won the wild card by 8 games. Alex Gonzalez was worth nothing close to 8 games. He was worth maybe 1 or 2 wins.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 27, 2009 3:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality ? It would seem you struggle with it, or have a bad short term memory
I’d be willing to bet that everyone here knows how many games the Sox won the wildcard by.
Once again, numbers do not tell the entire story. This team was playing like absolute shit right before we got Gonzo. The Rays and Rangers had not completely faded away at that time. Getting Gonzo helped bump that WC lead to a place we got comfortable.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 27, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Trading for Gonzo was definitely a turning point in the season. Whether it was all him is up for debate (keep it going guys!) but I feel things changed for the better the day he put his Sox uniform back on.
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by Rogue Nine on Nov 27, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But ...
Just because Gonzo overperformed for a month and a half doesn’t mean the Sox had to bring him back. The team wanted to see what’s out there, and Gonzo didn’t want to wait on Boston. Both did what they felt was in their best interest.
Losing out on Gonzo isn’t the end of the world.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 27, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no I'm glad we are not bringing him back.
I’m speaking strictly of 2009
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 27, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot point to finishing 8 games up
as the true measure of how things really went. That’s like saying a game that was 0-0 for 7 innings with no hits on either side, but ends up 10-0 after the 9th was a true blow out. The numbers do not show how close things were.
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 27, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s ridiculous to say that Gonzo’s presence was the reason we made the playoffs. Did Gonzo somehow will Ortiz into his .911 September OPS, or Jon Lester’s 2.52 September ERA, or Victor Martinez’s .435 September OBP? The answer to all these questions is no. The Sox were going through a little slump before Gonzo came, due to a little bit of underperformance and a little bit of bad luck. That bad luck reverted back to the normal and the Sox once again started winning. It had very little to do with Gonzo.
by Gnick on Nov 27, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were said we weren't going anyways.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paging Adam Everett
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Nov 26, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love the way you think
I just wrote that at ywacademy.com
by TroyPatterson on Nov 26, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would he be cheaply available though?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his history is
he was signed for a couple years for $2.8 mm each, in the last year had a fractured fibula and missed most of it, then signed with the Tigers for $1 mm last year.
He performed about at his recent career levels this year with no real visible lasting effects to range or offense from his injury, so I’d say he’ll get a bit of a raise from last year. Maybe $1.5mm-$2.5mm? Less than Gonzo would be.
I’d be fine with him as a backup but would much rather see Jed playing, because while I do think it should be a defensive centered position, Everett’s slowly declining career .297 OBP screams automatic out to me.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in looking over stats again
since he does seem completely recovered, probably more than I was saying. If we were willing to offer $3 mm to Gonzo, I’d say we could get Everett for the same or for the $2.75 that Gonzo took.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Wouldn’t mind seeing him as Jed’s backup, but I just don’t know where he ranks among available shortstops.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jed's gonna be the backup to Scutaro
Release Jason Varitek before ST is over !
Do not pay Jason Bay !!
Trade Buchholz !!!
by gizmosandy on Nov 26, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that
If and only if Scutaro will agree to a not-too expensive contract not more than 2 years AND if the Jays either don’t offer arbitration OR we’ve already blown our first round pick on another FA.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could always go crazy and use one of his snapped bones as weapon.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But could he provide a spark!??!!?
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-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 27, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
statistically
about the same offensively as gonzo last year and better defensively. Sure he could provide a spark. Certainly probably not as good as second half of 2009 gonzo, but that gonzo is probably dead.
by wolf9309 on Nov 27, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro
would make sense if he was not a Type A-I don’t like giving up the #1 draft pick for a utility guy. Gonzalez was not suited to the role of utility guy since he only plays SS. If Scutaro was a B then I could see it, but he is not.
by Buzzy on Nov 26, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want scutaro
But I can’t imagine what else we’d do at this point.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro = Julio Lugo 2.0
His offense last year was a massive outlier. And he’s not especially consistent defensively at SS (some good seasons, some atrocious ones) by UZR.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 26, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
why sign an aging career utility guy who is a type A coming off an outlier year. If Lowrie is healthy all year there is no way that he can be worse than Gonzo. In fact, Nick Green wasn’t really worse than Gonzo. It should not be hard to find a utility guy that can play more than just SS and can hit as well as Gonzo.
by Buzzy on Nov 26, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Green's bat disappeared after the first two months
But his D was good throughout the year. Gonzo actually hit with a high BA for us (for the position). I was shocked how good he was.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 26, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
low OBP
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by BoldandBrash on Nov 26, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DOES NOT WANT SCUTARO
DOES NOT WANT SCUTARO
Goddamn constant bad shortstop nonsense @#$%!!
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
by Bloggy on Nov 26, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Those clever Canadians!
Now we have no choice BUT to sign their damn Scutaro and give them a draft pick.
Theo, quick, sign Holliday and one of Gonzalez/Soriano so the Jays only get our 3rd round pick!
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 26, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this makes no sense to me
why not just resign gonzo for 2 more years, let both lowrie and iglesias develop, and go to those guys in 2012. Everyone is right in saying we should NOT go after Scutaro, he’s a type A FA with a huge outlier of a year last year. He reminds me of another Julio Lugo type. I really don’t understand this at all.
by zabosox33 on Nov 26, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
At least Lugo had performed well for a few years and was kinda young. Scutaro is older and only had one good year. But if Toronto does not offer him arbitration, I would be down for a 2 year $8M deal.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 26, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be fine
some of the numbers thrown around for him have been ridiculous, but they all seem to be speculation rather than having any factual basis. 2 years/$8mm would probably be decent and we could give Jed one more chance.
The problem, though, is if they do offer arbitration what do we do? Do we just try Jed with our new buddy Tug backing him up? Because while, namewise, that sounds hilarious, it also sounds like a terrible idea. I just would not trust Tejdad at short, we absolutely need defense there.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, we wait and see
The deadline for offering arbitration is coming up pretty soon, IIRC. If they don’t offer arbitration, draft picks are irrelevant and Theo can make an offer if he thinks Jed isn’t going to be able to handle the job.
by RSNexile on Nov 26, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well of course we do
but that takes all the fun out of speculating!!! :P
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what they're doing
They’re picking up the shortstop we want so that they can get us to take wells in exchange for halladay+gonzo. Clever canucks.
OK not really.
I’m sure it’s the draft pick thing, $2.75mm for a solid shortstop+ a probable draft pick isn’t a bad deal.
by wolf9309 on Nov 26, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
schlerotic shoulders... LOL
You can never have too much pitching.
by Pesky Fan on Nov 26, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the "h" isn't suppost to be there.
Doesn’t make sense even without it though. :\
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like the 't' isn't supposed to be in "supposed?"
It’s funny, I actually googled the word, and saw the correct spelling, but I neglected to go back and change it. Should’ve made the intern do it, but he was too busy painting a recreation of the Sistine Chapel on the ceiling of our conference room. Serves me right for chosing the MFA student from Harvard…
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 26, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, that's just how we's says it down here in Flor-ree-da.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i've always wondered
why are there so many sox fans in florida? Any idea? I kind of assumed it was because a lot of people from new england go there when they get old, but obviously that’s not the case for you…
by wolf9309 on Nov 27, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That.
And the entire state jumps on the latest bandwagon pretty quickly. And then there’s the fans around the Spring Training areas.
I’m part of a small group that started rooting for the Sox when Wake, a Florida kid, came on board. Before that, it was the Pirates for most of the group (which worked well with my mom’s family’s established loyalty to Pittsburgh). Of course, it’s hard not to become absorbed in the Sox when you’re a kid obsessed with baseball, even if they were a mediocre team for a bit.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
go Wake!!!!!!! Good reason.
Personally I became a huge sox fan mainly because my brother was a red sox fan. The facts that I grew up in RI and now live in Boston didn’t hurt, but not a lot of my friends were fans until I turned them anyways
by wolf9309 on Nov 28, 2009 4:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a lot of Rhode Islanders were Sox fans? interesting. I always thought they all were.
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-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 28, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just weren't big baseball fans
RI is almost all sox fans. And a few who are MFY fans just cuz they want to piss everyone off.
by wolf9309 on Nov 28, 2009 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I hate those kids.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 29, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This Sucks
First JJ Hardy gets traded to the Twins. Now the BJs sign Gonzo. What does that leave us Tejada???
What is Theo thinking???
by drabidea on Nov 27, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only on that thinks this is not a big deal?
Alex Gonzalez is entriely replaceable.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 27, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're not the only one.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 27, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a big deal.
But I would have liked to have him back. At least he’s a known quantity…
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Nov 27, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except most people will "know" he's the Gonzo from the end of last season.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right
he was not a known quantity. He was two known quantities. The one with exellent fielding and a good bat or the one with good fielding and a terrible bat.
I’d be willing to bet 2010 we’d see him as Gonzo #3- the one with the good fielding and the terrible bat.
by wolf9309 on Nov 28, 2009 4:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most people where?
I think I had pretty realistic expectations for Agon.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Nov 28, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Most people" =/= OTM members (except maybe NG)
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 29, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big deal but troublesome
We need a SS and we seem to be out of good options
by drabidea on Nov 27, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, Gonzalez wouldn't make or break our season
And now that I’ve looked more at Everett, I’d rather have him. It’s just that options are limited and I’m gonna be pissed if we give up a draft pick for Scutaro.
by wolf9309 on Nov 27, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't going to be the full time starter.
Which is something most MSM members are forgetting.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is replaceable
The problem is that replacing him involves giving up prospects (a trade) or a draft pick (Scutaro) unless you want an Adam Everett type.
I don’t really care much about Gonzalez himself, I care about the crappy market for SS’s.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Nov 28, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we have a few options:
Orlando Cabrera: still better offensively than Gonzalez, but fell off a cliff defensively according to UZR (just about 30 runs worse in 2009 than 2008). The swing is so big, that its hard to believe he actually is that bad right now.
Everett: insanely bad offensively, but still a good fielder
Scutaro: will cost a draft pick, but depending on what happens with Wagner and Bay it might be something that the Sox are okay with.
If I were Theo, I would watch every single one of Cabrera’s defensive plays from this year and figure out if he’s really that bad. If not, sign him.
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-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 28, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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