11/25 - Spreading Ideas

Funny to see how similar opinions are starting to form on separate sites. Of course, some sites form the opinions more in the posts, rather than the comments. Could be a function of how the sites are set up though. Anyways, here's two quick, random links:
Rising star, prospect win Boston honors - redsox.com
Buch and Lavarnway are the best. Anyone have issues with these awards?
Projected WAR and Contract Values for Free Agent Position Players - BtB
Interesting - Beltre is projected almost equal with Figgins. Oh, and Holliday is far ahead of Bay (yes, UZR issues, but still).
Now I can show you how other sites are coming to the same conclusion as we have.
Will the Sox Acquire Adrian Beltre to Replace Lowell? - Fire Brand of the American League
Wow, that's a lot of writing. Pretty much consolidates all the stuff we've been saying.
Working out the Beltre Theory - Yawkey Way Academy
So it appears everyone agrees: this isn't an easy decision - especially when there's this option:
Report: Tigers' Miguel Cabrera Available Via Trade, Red Sox Listed as Prime Candidate - NESN.com
We discussed this shortly in the Mauer MVP thread, but here's the official story.
Miguel Cabrera? No thanks - Extra Bases
The Tigers are owned by pizza magnate Mike Ilitch and have a pile of money. If Cabrera is being shopped, it's not for budgetary reasons. It's because they decided they would be better off without him. That should give teams plenty of pause.
Oh snap.
Comparison shopping sluggers: Miguel Cabrera and Mark Teixeira - Boston Herald
Okay... and your point is?
Some sites don't really come up with new stuff, and then some sites find random ideas that actually might work:
Have Homicidal Tendencies, Will Travel - Surviving Grady
Hmm... interesting. Not sure where'd he fit, but it's definitely worth looking into if we somehow manage to need MORE players.
After the jump, some coaching staff items, a bit of alarming news, and trying to get everyone caught up.
For Red Sox, a Ray(s) of Inspiration - Full Count
Interesting to see how coaching staffs evolve.
Tim Bogar braces for the hot seat - Full Count
Catcher Luis Exposito Leads Five Red Sox Prospects in Arizona Fall League - NESN.com
The Blue Ribbon panel, 9 years later - Inside the Book
I've actually never heard of this. Sounds like it'd be a fun read for traveling, which is what I'll be doing today.
Source: Red Sox in on FA’s Scutaro, Escobar, R. Soriano - Boston Herald
NOOOOOO!!! The last two, sure, but NOT Scoots.
Cornering Some Offense in Boston - Sox Tea Party
At this point, it’s the general consensus that the Red Sox need a left-fielder, a shortstop and another power-hitting corner infielder. The hope is that the Red Sox will find a away to bring back Jason Bay and then move on to finding a legitimate bat at either first or third base. As for shortstop? Most fans I talk with are content with bringing back Alex Gonzalez, although I read a lot of other posts online that are against it, due to his low OBP.
Hahaha - good to see the opinion has presence.
Sox announce spring schedule, prices - Extra Bases
Tek Won't Catch Wake - Fenway West
Odd. I wonder why.
Falling to the Bottom of the Filter
Are the Smart Guys Hinting at Something? - YFSF
People are catching on!
Sox will think deeply about adding starters - The Boston Globe
No surprise.
Why Jason Bay Should've Accepted the Boston Red Sox' $60 Million Offer - Bleacher Report
He has been a crowd-pleaser and one of the best players on the Red Sox. His salary for 2009 was reported as $7.8 million, according to ESPN.com. It would be hard to support a claim that he be paid twice what he made when he batted .267 with 36 homers and 119 RBI, being among the league leaders in the latter two categories.
I don't support resigning Bay, but that's some faulty logic right there.
Feet of Clay: Boston Red Sox Should Part with Clay Buchholz - Bleacher Report
If that stops Eckstein [sic] from pulling the trigger, Red Sox Nation should initiate a coup d’etat.
Buchholz is a very talented pitcher, yes, and I would love to see him dominating opposing hitters in a Boston uniform. But why would the Red Sox choose an unproven prospect over an established slugger?
Oh, please, don't...
Comments, links, etc. Also, special request: If you want to say something about a specific link, rather than a general idea, don't be afraid to go to the source to voice your opinion. If you do, it'd be awesome if you could drop OTM's name, especially if you are expressing a view that you may have picked up by participating in OTM; it would keep the offseason fresh if we had a stream of new ideas coming in from other sites.
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you believe the BtB estimates and you believe WAR, then signing Cameron and moving Ells to LF would basically be the same value (for next year) as signing Holliday. Interesting.
by Buzzy on Nov 25, 2009 7:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Ells' LF UZR stands up over time.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... Spreading ideas you said? How 'bout this:
On October the 6th, I wrote a post, where I’ve said:
What about Carlos Beltran? The Mets could be front runners in the Holliday chase if they can clear up some payroll and there’s this dumb impression in their fan base that he doesn’t play the game to win so maybe we can trade for him to play CF and move Taco to LF (where he plays above avg defense). I Know it’s a wishful thinking but if the Sox go after him aggressively, a deal could be done.
On October 25th, Mike Silverman, of the Boston Globe, wrote this:
One situation that bears close monitoring is Carlos Beltran with the New York Mets. The Big Apple’s other team has descended back into the depths of mediocrity the past two years. There has not been a word about the team going into rebuilding mode, but Beltran, arguably the best defensive center fielder in the game the last few years, has $18.5 million left on each of his remaining two years in 2010 and ’11. He also has a full no-trade clause. Beltran’s salary is about $1-2.5 million more than what Bay is likely to end up commanding per year, not that big a difference at all, plus Beltran plays the premium position and is considered the better all-around player.
Ellsbury is likely to stick in center field, but if you are looking at contingency plans in case the Sox do not re-sign Bay, this one qualifies as the kind of creative thinking Epstein and Co. have displayed regularly. If Hanley Ramirez was worth calling about last winter, Beltran certainly is as well.
About 2 days ago, I wrote this post in which I was saying that:
- The Sox should be looking hard at shipping Lowell and eating a part of his contract.
- Theo & Co should be exploring signing Beltre.
- The Sox FO should be looking at taking their chances with Kelvim Escobar.
Coincidently, hours after publishing it, we’ve read this:
the Red Sox have made third baseman Mike Lowell available — and could be willing to pick up as much as half of the tab……….The Red Sox could follow a similar plan this offseason if they acquire Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez in a trade or sign free agent third baseman Adrian Beltre.
Today, Silverman (again?) is reporting that:
Since open season began on free agency, the Red Sox have been diligently kicking the tires on free agents. Today, a few more names can be added to the list, with the Red Sox expressing preliminary interest on free agent shortstop Marco Scutaro, as well as expressing interest and requesting the medical records of right-handers Kelvim Escobar and Rafael Soriano, according to a major-league source.
Don’t be surprised, if you hear in the next days that the Red Sox are discussing with the Marlins for a Nolasco trade ;)
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Nov 25, 2009 7:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Silverman is writing for the Boston Herald not the Globe.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Nov 25, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Demand an interview with Theo in exchange for more ideas.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 25, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Tek in one of three roles
Either
A. personal catcher for Beckett
B. Guy who sits on the bench and occasionally catches when Martinez needs a break from catching
and
C. Released
by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
personal catcher for Beckett
Well this would be a good measure of Beckett’s ability to see what really counts. Now there is no way you are ever going to convince me that a catcher just calling the game wins many games, especially a catcher that can’t throw and can’t hit. No way. However, I am easily convinced that a catcher batting 300 will help win many games for a pitcher over a catcher with no arm and hitting <200. So let us see how Beckett would really react under those choices!
by NG on Nov 25, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well right
But the fact is that the staff is probably not going to want Martinez to catch 162 games because they don’t want to wear him down to immobile by the end of the year. Pitchers tend to like to work with one catcher over the season so they can get a very good rhythm going on, and Beckett likes Varitek catching, so that makes sense.
It’s not a video game, the player’s stamina over 162 games matters, we can’t have one of our best players too exhausted and in pain to play well at the end of the season. There are a few catcher (like Mauer) who catch every day and seem to do just fine, but they are few and far between- plus I wouldn’t be surprised if that approach ended up making him decline fairly quickly as he gets older.
by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer no
Not even Mauer is that great. He only started 105 games this year at catcher. He DH’s ALOT of games to give him breaks but also keeping his bat going.
I think we will have a similar thing with VMart and 1B. Obviously this is dependent on whether or not we have Lowell by the start of the season.
by drabidea on Nov 25, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hm very true
I was remembering 2008 where he played much closer to every day
by wolf9309 on Nov 25, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some few links:
Deep farm system? Yes, Adam Foster of Project Prospects LOVES our prospects:
Top 15 1B prospects: 9th – Rizzo, 12th – Anderson
Top 15 SS Prospects: 4th – Iglesias, 14th – Navarro, 15th – Renfroe
Top 15 CF Prospects: 4th – Westmoreland, 6th – Lin, 8th – Kalish
Top 15 COF Prospects: 11th – Reddick
Top Pitching Prospects: 14th – Tazawa, 19th – Kelly , 27th – Pimentel
Ok, there’s some guys that I don’t think they deserve to be here: Lars, Navarro and Renfroe. But PP is an excellent prospects site: They combine advanced stats (batted ball data, ISO, FIP…), scouting and the prospect progress to evaluate him.
And BTW, our good freind CasanovaWang is regular poster there, so it’s must be a smart read.
Here some speculations-presented-as-news-so-they-could-sell-some-papers.
ESPN Boston asks Gammons and Edes 5 questions: The answers are not revealing anything special but this:
Gammons
I’m skeptical on a Gonzalez deal. “Jed [Hoyer] knows us too well,” one Red Sox official told me earlier this month. “He’s going to ask for Casey Kelly and Westmoreland, and they’re the best we have and we’re not trading them.”
Good to hear that Westy will be here next year but I want me some Nolasco: Kelly to the Marlins please.
Epstein is going to sit down with Kelly in the next month and make it clear they want him to pitch, and the way he is growing — they think he’s going to be 6-foot-4 and grow into a power pitcher with exceptional feel and command — he could be in Boston by the end of the 2010 season.
By the end of 2010? Really Mr Gammons? How about Kelly has pitched only a 100 inning this year between A and A+ and he’ll never exceed 140 IPs in 2010, so by the end of 2010, I think he’ll be relaxing at home with family and friends or itching in the Marlins Farm system while Ricky Nolasco is kicking ass in Boston.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Nov 25, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Added PP to my RSS feeds.
That’s a better breakdown of the ESPN Boston link – I think that was in yesterday’s Filter though.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 25, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Just want to drop by to say I appreciate the links.
Founder of www.projectprospect.com
by Adam Foster on Nov 26, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should be
wanted (doh!)
Founder of www.projectprospect.com
by Adam Foster on Nov 26, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome sir
It’s one of my favorites read! Keep up with the good work.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Nov 26, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Renfroe at 15 because of a lack of good SS prospects? or is he a really big deal?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 27, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's the second coming of Kelly, but reversing the roles.
More likely to be a fielder (although I’ve seen that he could move to 3B).
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 27, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try to add you guys in whenever it
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
's appropriate.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 26, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
next week, they're doing the catchers ranking
I’m positive that Expo will be in.
"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur
by radiohix on Nov 27, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox acquire Tug Hulett
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/red-sox-acquire-tug-hulett.html#comments
A question though, What is the maximum time you can wait before you decide/claim your player to be named later?
by drabidea on Nov 25, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
6 months.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had to sort through several stories of players being sent back as their own PTBNL to find that.
Relatively easy to find via searches though.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 25, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs




















