The difference between the Red Sox and Yankees...
This just occurred to me as I watched former unfrozen caveman center fielder single to right:
The Yankees recruit and sign the best players from every team in baseball, including the Red Sox.
The Red Sox recruit and sign the best players from every team in baseball except the Yankees.
And that is the difference between the Wild Card and winning the East.
Jeter or A-Rod at third? Rivera for Pap? I know I feel like anyone who has worn the pinstripes is somehow tainted forever, but maybe I need to get over it.
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So the 8 game difference in the standings...
Was the result of having an aging, not-really-a-left-fielder left fielder instead of, say, Adam Dunn or Raul Ibanez?
by SBGonzalez on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
or Jason Bay?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Teixiera signing by the MFY showed
what a hole the first base side of the MFY defense was for years, with either an awful fielder like Giambi, or rent a players like former Sox, Tony Clark.
The question is if the MFY can keep it going next year. Their line up may change with Judas Damon and Matsui gone or Cabrera traded for pitching, but they still has some big question marks about their starting pitching and if their middle relief doesn’t implode…
by superferret on Nov 2, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Red Sox fan!!!
lol I agree with you (still can’t believe it). Giambi was a joke at first base. Yea, he hit homers and drew walks when he was healthy, but he can do nothing defensively. Have you seen him throw the ball?
I agree that this Yankees team may look different next year, while it seems the Red Sox are looking the same (assuming they resign Jason Bay). I’m expecting either Damon or Matsui to be resigned, and them to sign an outfielder or get Austin Jackson up from the minor leagues to give them a chance.
Also I really hope that Joba goes to the bullpen forever. He can’t start. At all. Too many pitches. It’s painful watching him start.
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 3, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One can be objective about the nitty gritty of baseball play..
I am a Sox fan, but I can be objective about the good and bad about MFY players. Teixiera is an incredible defense first baseman, and he has helped the Yankee batting line up, and A-Rod has helped Teixiera in the order. I just think what Teixiera has shown is the hole that the MFY have had for years on the right side of the infield..
Like any risk analysis, Damon and especially Matsui may be problems for a multi year signings. Damon’s is a defense liability, Matsui has some serious injuries in the past, including a broken wrist. They are better off going younger, either signing Bay or Holliday, put Gardiner or Cabrera in LF and trade one of them, and call up Jackson for CF. If I were Brian Cashman, I would sign Judas over Godzilla.
Combine with Jeter, Rodriguez with his torn hip labrum, Posada, the baseball season starts wearing down older bodies.
Joba needs to get in shape, he has shown he can throw high heat, and he should be used as 8th inning bridge.
The biggest surprise for the MFY this year, and why they are so good, why they had a good season record was Hughes.
by superferret on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Hughes was great this year. And this postseason may be going a lot easier if he kept it up in the playoffs.
I agree with you that the Yankees need to get younger. I’m thinking that Damon/Matsui may have earned 1 more year as a DH and part time OF, but by 2011 both of them need to be gone. Posada will need more DH time, and as Jeter and A-Rod age they will need some DH time too in order to stay healthy. I’d rather they avoided Holliday, since he proved that he struggles in the AL. And I don’t see Bay leaving the Sox. Trading for Crawford would be great, but it would cost A LOT! So I see their outfield in the next few years mainly developed from within.I want them to sign a starter, and then put Joba in the pen where he should be. No idea about Chien-Ming Wang, but if he could be healthy and effective again that’s a free ace added, so that’s always nice. I think they’ll be younger next year, and hopefully just as good.
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday didn't prove nothin'.
He struggled for a few weeks in the worst possible scenario: horrible lineup, HUGE pitcher’s park, adjusting to a new league, etc. Once he got settled in, he picked it up like riding a bike, albeit with less training wheels. Even if you wanted to say that the overall change in performance from NL to AL and back to the NL was significant, you have to realize that you are judging him on very small sample sizes for the last two segments.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between the Sox and MFY...
Is that we don’t spend like there’s no tomorrow, and choose to save money in case it’s needed later on. The Sox also choose to attempt to run a farm system, while the Yanks would rather give away their first rounder every year for the best new toy.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 3, 2009 12:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd expect this from some noobs, but definitely not you bs.uf. Just a few things-
1) Sox offered Tex basically the same contract as we did, he chose to come to NY for whatever reason. Don’t act like you were “saving” money for a rainy day. He’s likely the reason Yankees made it to the playoffs this year while the Sox did not, (although he certainly has not been helping since they got there). This “saving money for later” approach likely puts the Sox in the unenviable position of looking to acquire an A-Gonz or similar bat for the price of prospects not greenbacks. I’d rather spend loot than youngsters any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
B) I’m not going to waste the bandwidth talking about how stupid the notion that “the Sox value the farm and the Yankees don’t” is. I’m pretty sure that meme died years ago, no?
4)You said: the Yanks would rather give away their first rounder every year for the best new toy.
What you should have said: The Yankees have had a first round pick 19 of the past 20 years source.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 4, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: First round picks
The only reason you guys had a first and second round pick this year was because you did not sign your first or second round pick from last year. So yes, the Yankees had a first round pick, but it was a supplemental pick assigned because of a failure to sign the 2008 first round pick. But I agree, the Yankees certainly do value their farm.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 4, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know about Cole and Bittle.
A first rounder is a first rounder, 18/20 makes the point as well.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"made it to the playoffs this year while the Sox did not"
Hey Casanova-I’d expect this from some noobs-but not you! ;).
Does this mean that if the Yankees lose tonight and Thursday too that they did not make the playoffs?
by Buzzy on Nov 4, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow.
major fail on my part. Haha that’s embarrassing.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I went braindead that night.
Lots of stupid stuff.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 5, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference.
More than just what you pointed out. The difference is about $89 million in payroll as well. We sign veteran players when we have to but our first option these last few years has always been to look within first which explains a lot of the huge difference in payroll. Our homegrown players are just now reaching the point where they are getting big contracts, their homegrown players have already made their (hundreds) of millions and are getting toward the end of their careers. I’m really interested to see what happens when Posada, Rivera and Jeter can’t play anymore in a few years and ARod and Tex are out of their prime but still owed millions. We’ll be in a pretty good position then, not that we aren’t now.
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by Rogue Nine on Nov 3, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget the luxury tax. They spent more like $120M more than us this year. Almost double.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you mean players like David Wells?
The reason the Yankees win is bc they go out and overspend for players who never wanted to play in NY but the money is so insane they change their minds. MFY go out and extort the city of NY for a billion $$$ so they can customize a stadium that gives their team an advantage.
$$$$ is why the Yankees win, please stop trying to unlock some mystery. IF you take 80 million in payroll away from the Yankees, they probably don’t even get the wildcard.
by SoxAcumen on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Goldman Sachs is to blame in all this...
Boston has some big financial hitters like the Harvard Fund and Insurance Companies, but it is difficult when the MFY have the biggest badasses in the financial world working for you, finding new ways to rake in capital, being peace broker between the Yankees and A-Rod, (both clients) when A-Rod opted out of his contract in 2007. Taking up as minority partner for YES…
The MFY are in one of the largest media markets in the world. If the Steinbrenners wanted to sell for example, they would probably get the Forbes value of the team of $1.5 billion, compare to the Dodgers, who will probably be sold in the near future, and won’t sell for the Forbes valuation because the McCourts don’t own the broadcasting rights…
by superferret on Nov 3, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that they designed the stadium to have windtunnel effect on purpose...
Or DID they? O_o
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 3, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
maybe I don’t get it, but this post is really dumb. The biggest difference? How about 84 million dollars in payroll? Since Theo Epstein came abord, the Sox have signed up the following “name” free agents:Edgar Renteria, Julio Lugo, JD Drew and Dice-K. That…is it. I won’t even talk about the Yankees here (who signed on more in contract $$ last year alone than this entire group from 2003-2009), but many other teams have played more in the FA market than the Sox. In this time froam the Angels signed Vlad, Tori Hunter, Gary Matthews, Fuentes, Abreu, and rented Teixeira.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The MFY have spent $1.34 billion since 2003. Until this year, they have little to show for all that money. The MFY have averaged $191 million per year in payroll. The Red Sox have averaged about $67 million less per year, and have won two championships. I think many people are overreacting to the success of the MFY this year.
New York are not a model franchise. They’ve signed players to some really bad contracts:
Jason Giambi – 7 years/$120 million
Alex Rodriguez – 10 years/$275 million ($143 million covers A-Rod at age 38-42)
Carl Pavano – 4 years/$40 million (Pavano made 26 starts in 4 years)
Kyle Farnsworth – 3 years/$17 million
Johnny Damon – 4 years/$52 million (Judas was signed to play CF. He has been a LF/DH for 3 years. $13 million a year is a lot to pay for poor defense and the .821 OPS Damon has averaged a year in NY—mostly in LF)
AJ Burnett - 5 years/$82.5 million (Burnett is not worth $16.5 million per year, especially at age 32-36)
The jury is still out of the CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira contracts. Will Sabathia be worth the $23 million a year he’ll make between age 30-35 (assuming he doesn’t opt out of the contract). Teixeira will be making $22.5 million a year until he’s 36-years old.
I’m OK with the way the Sox operate.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 3, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This comment should be printed off twice:
Once to be framed and placed right next to the computer screen so it can be instantly referenced.
Secondly to be folded up and placed in the wallet for constant access.
The only one that makes ANY sense in the above, possibly, is Teix…assuming he can produce Manny-esque at 36.
Goddamn that DeMarlo Hale.
by Bloggy on Nov 3, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Jaret Wright for 3 years at $21M.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, BT. Can’t believe I missed that one.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some others:
Sheffield: 3/39 (actually not a bad contract at all).
Robin Ventura: 8.5 million (was traded after less than one year-not sure how long Yankees were on the hook)
Jose Contreras: 2/14 (traded, with cash in middle of second year while being paid 8.5 year-not sure how long the Yankees had to pay).
Matsui (has been 7/73 so far)
And my favorite:
Kei Igawa-4 Million/1
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness, they aren't all terrible contracts.
As you mention, Sheff played well. The Matsui deal is not a disaster. And A-Rod has probably played to his contract up to this point (though the last few years might be rough). Damon even basically platey to his deal. On a side note, the Jeter deal is wrapping up much better than expected.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The Sheffield deal was actually decent. The Matsui contract was pretty poor but not a disaster (he has been worth 47 Million by Fangraphs while he has been paid 73).The ARod contract is terrible-he will still be the highest payed player at 42 if he still is playing at all. As for Jeter-it is perfect timing. He will now have to be a 20+ million dollar overpayed old man becuause the Yankees will not have the balls to let him walk.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A-Rod deal.
Remember though, that the Rangers were paying a significant portion of A-Rod’s salary for the first 4 years in NY. From memory, they were paying him more like $16M until he opted out of the deal, and two of those years were 9+ WAR years for A-Rod. I would not be surprised if, at the end of his deal, there was enough surplus in value at the beginning to overcome the loss at the end.
Watching Jeter make $20M per to play SS when he can barely walk is going to be awesome.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but that was he previous contract, not the current one for 10/275. So that is like saying “you were kind of a bargan, so we will vastly overpay you now even though no other team could come close to this #.”
Yes-I think Jeter will always be “good for his age” but it will be funny to watch the fully decline…at like 22 million a year.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way the Yanks are letting Jeter play shortstop when he's that old
at least I hope not. He should be a DH by then, or a corner outfielder. But not a shortstop. He’ll have lost pretty much all his speed (his range is bad enough), and playing a position that demands range could really beat him up when he’s old. They’ll sign him to a big contract so he can stay for the rest of his career, but there’s no way thats at shortstop the whole time.
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 3, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on A-Rod
right now he’s earning his money. And he may earn his money for 3-5 years more and win a few more MVPs. But eventually, like all players, no matter how good he is and has been, he will start to decline, and he will still be making a ton of money. I’m hoping that he can still be productive when he’s that age (as opposed to Ken Griffey Jr., who is just a shell of his former self).
This is the problem with some major league contracts. Continue getting paid when they’re that old. Can’t they work things out with the players so they make less when they’re 40?
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 3, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even worse
a 20 million dollar DH with an 800 OPS.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could have worked it out with A-Rod so he wouldn’t make $37M at age 40, but instead they offered him much, much more money than anyone else was willing to offer.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a little bit of both would be better.
Just because you have money to spend doesn’t mean you have to spend it poorly. A smart organization willing to spend competitively with the Yankees would, presumably, be ideal.
by USG on Nov 3, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The issue is
what are the spending limits of the Red Sox? People here think they are just being cheap by not spending more. I think they are close to their limits. Fenway actually costs them a ton of revenue. And I think ownership is still in some amount of debt over the original deal. Lastly the economy is in bad shape. The Sox have made bad deals, but not too many. I don’t think they really can afford to spend much more than they do now.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that we don't have the spending power of the Cubs/Mets at least.
by USG on Nov 3, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
They are bigger markets and both have NESN-like deals too. For the Cubs it is even bigger than NESN. Even Wrigley holds more seats than Fenway (although not by a lot). Either way, we basically do spend in the same ballpark as these teams, but simply did not in 09. We spent the same amount as the Mets in 08 and more than the Cubs, and had the second highest payroll in baseball in 07
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're bigger when you factor in the Yanks/ChiSox?
by USG on Nov 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
The greater New York area is close to 20 million. Perhaps 10 million or so are close enough to fill the seats. The greater Chicago urban area is 8+ million and the White Sox are a second banana. The greater Boston are is about 4 million. All are big enough to fill the seats, and NY and Chicago are big enough to fill the seats of 2 team’s stadiums. However Fenway has only 38 thousand seats to fill, while Wrigley has 45 thousand or so, and Citi Field has 43 thousand. I don’t see why we should spend more these teams do, and we don’t-a three year average of the 3 teams puts them all about equal I think.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When thinking about net revenue there are other factors to consider:
-ticket prices (ours are huge)
-debt (I’m sure the Mets owe a bunch of money for the new stadium, and the Sox ownership probably still owes for the team, who got the best loan? no idea.)
-TV/radio Revenues: do all the teams make the same off all of these deals? Who has higher ratings? NESN is all of NE, more than 4 million people. Sox radio is broadcast in places outside of NE (I can listen to every game on the radio in Jackson, WY)
-Luxury boxes: Mets are cleaning up on those, comparatively
-Other marketing deals: “The official whatever of the Red Sox” (I have no idea who makes more off this shit)
-And many, many more that I don’t even know about.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
these are the variables, some go for the Mets/Cubs, and some for the Sox. I think the fact that all 3 average in the same neighborhood of payroll is a decent indicator that this is their comfort level. It is funny (or not) the Wilpons actually made money off of Madoff that they probably will not have to give back.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
You can throw the Dodgers, Angels and Phillies in that category too. I also would not be surprised if Seattle and SF were able to spend up into the $120M range if they needed to.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 3, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox Market is New England.
You have to factor in the entire New England region, From West Haven, CT to Lebec, Me. (I’ll give the MFY dibs on Fairfield County, CT) It is one of the reason why the Sox have been one of the highest value teams, even when it was run by Haywood Sullivan. Even the New England market can’t compete with the NY/NJ market. It has themost loyal fan region in the country. Everyone from New England comes to a Sox game.
Much like the Cubs used WGN to turn much of the upper midwest into Cubby Blue, while the White Sox dithered. The Brewers and the Twinkies are just local favorites, while the Cubbies have a huge reach.
IIRC, Sox tickets are still the most expensive in MLB.
Personally Stadiums/Ballparks are kind of trite, compare to cable networks like NESN. Even though Fox showed the 2004 ALCS, I forgot the amount of New Englanders watch the series, but it was an incredible percentage, like how some countries go into standstill when their country’s world cup match is on.
The true market power is the team’s cable network, not stadium receipts.
Unless the New York Times panics, and it is desperately trying to dump their share of NESN, as they are doing now.
by superferret on Nov 3, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia and Teixiera gave the Yankees this year
stability. In the field, on the mound and in the line up. However, The Yankees should be careful with Sabathia, because once he gets a shoulder injury or he gets something like injury from overwork of his shoulder, the MFY.
As much as the Teixiera has worked out this year for the MFY, they still have to think about where they are going to put Jeter in the next couple years.
by superferret on Nov 3, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter
will probably DH or play the corner outfield. He’s playing shortstop for a few more years, but eventually he’ll have to move. I can see him as a right fielder. He has a strong arm, and you don’t have to move that much out there. Plus he’s great at the over the shoulder pop ups at shortstop, so that may be a good sign that he could make a good outfielder.
by nyyrocks29 on Nov 3, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After reading this little number I hope
the author gets hired to replace Hoyer. I always thought the difference was the spending. Stupid Sandy.
VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
by gizmosandy on Nov 3, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
The final judgment has been passed.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 3, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
I am offended by this! Ramiro Mendoza was freakin’ awesome for the Red Sox!
by Randy Booth on Nov 3, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Standard Argument Concerns Payroll Disparity...
… which does exist, but generally, you cannot buy what is not for sale- in essence, Boston does not lose sleep that the MFY will swoop down with their bank full of money and kidnap Jon Lester.
So the financial advantage is typically deadly in FA, when all a player costs is money/draft picks.
I’m curious to see a roster comparison of the two teams illustrating who was acquisitioned via FA and those acquired by trade.
It’s one thing to get into a bidding war over a player, come up short, and then have to find a plan B. It’s doubly aggravating to fill a need through trade and have to give up a piece that the team desperately needed as well, and thus live with the lesser of two evils. Surrendering Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell thrown in comes to mind. Boston needed both a front-line starter and a SS, and, well, Nomar never really was replaced.
by Christopher B on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As someone mentioned above, the Sox have acquired no FA’s by outbidding the Yankees. The only true high-priced FA’s on the Sox are JD Drew (little interest from the MFY) and Dice-K (not a true FA). The Yankees have outbid us on Teixeira, Damon and A-Rod (in trade talks, though money was the biggest issue). They also have brought in high priced FA’s in CC, Burnett, Pettite (though he probably wasn’t going to play anywhere else) and Matsui.
I consider the Hanley trade a win-win. It basically won us a WS. We lost out on six years of the best SS in the game at below-market price, but we got 4 years of Josh Beckett at below-market price plus Mike Lowell. Trades are going to be the way that this team acquires high-end talent. We just don’t have the resources to beat the Yankees at their own game. We draft and develop players and then either trade them away for established talent, or keep them around. As long as we keep around more good ones than we give up, we’ll be doing okay.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 4, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And find the rest of the puzzle pieces each year, which seems to be Theo's current science fair project.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question
I’m under the impression that what distinguishes trading from FA is that both teams (or more, as in the scenario that brought Jason Bay here) must surrender at least one player in the transaction.
But, the following scenario would still be legal, providing all parties sign off (and as a disclaimer, I am just making the following up off the top of my head):
The MFY decided that Wang, Burnett, Gaudin, Hughes, and Chamberlin are all a bloody mess and that they can’t stomach it anymore, they want King Felix and they want him now. So, before the trading deadline, they pick some random fellow from single-A that they won’t miss and approach Seattle.
Here,they say.Let’s make a trade. We want King Felix.
After the front office has exchanged sobs and pats on the back, the MFY continue:We understand just compensation is in order for a pitcher of his caliber. How about we send you Martn McFly?
What, isn’t that-
But the call continues:He plays a mean SS. Please also accept the 2008 GDP of Japan, which will arrive as gold bars via railway
This sort of thing happens, doesn’t it?
by Christopher B on Nov 4, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Okay, yeah, I'm sorry, I fail at explaining stuff.
You can highlight whole paragraphs – just make sure whatever you want to be in a box is within the <.blockquote><./blockquote> tags (without the period I added to make them stay visible).
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 4, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... Seattle would make sure they weren't being prank called first.
And then promptly hang up; they don’t HAVE to accept what the other team offers. Also, a team can essentially buy a player and his contract from another team, if they will accept just money. And that’s not the same as FA, because if the deal isn’t made, the player stays on his original team, whereas in FA he just returns to a pool of unemployed players seeking a contract.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is: can one team simply buy a player from another team. The answer is: yes. Oftentimes a team will take an “albatross” contract from the other team in addition to the player they actually want. This was the case when the Sox got Lowell and Beckett. Lowell was thought to be washed up, so we took his contract off their hands in exchange for getting Josh Beckett (and of course we gave them Hanley, too). This could happen on a larger scale or with a worse player. For example, the Blue Jays would probably give Roy Halladay away for nothing if the team agreed to take Vernon Wells too.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've Both Been Very Helpful, Both With Form and Content
And feel free to stop reading, as I am now just experimenting with the block quote HTML.
Dennis Eckersley watched as Paps relieved Josh in the ninth against the Mets. A towering line drive quickly ensued.
And Eck, filling in some of the character void left by Pedro and then Manny, uttered a favorite expletive of mine.
The FCC was not amused, but not overly irate, either. The Nats have made everyone in the DC area oblivious to the MLB.
Aha! I made the silly mistake of not inserting slashes in the end tag earlier. Sorry! Es mi primer dia!
by Christopher B on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can also use the "preview" function
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 4, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Hey, Look At That
Sorry. No more fail from me from now on!
by Christopher B on Nov 4, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is possible
to trade a player for cash considerations. As BTLove said, that’s usually just in the case of a really bad contract another team is willing to take.
A cheap young superstar would rarely get bought in a trade though, because the money that would come in would not be sustainable- it would add to their money available for a bit but then the money would be gone and so would the cheap young superstar- bad investing. But yes, it’s possible.
by wolf9309 on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
by Bloggy on Nov 8, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone's missing the bigger picture here.
The difference between the Red Sox and the Yankees can be summed up in one word: YANKEE MYSTIQUE. This can be broken up into five distinct traits, which, incidentally, you can read about in my new book, The Conundrum:
1) Aura.
Each Yankee player (exception: Alex Rodriguez) instictively secretes an aura of success, which, taken collectively, inevitably leads to success. Combined with the trail of Benjamins that they leave, this aura of Yankee Mystiqueness is their greatest weapon in the neverending War against Baseball… I mean, in their quest for titles.
2) Confidence.
Every Yankee player, not to mention every Yankee fan, knows that they will win the World Series every year, no matter what. They know their team will do what it takes to win, whether grabbing a $20 million outfielder (Bobby Abreu) for next to nothing, signing the best free agents for more than the GDP of Togo, or extorting hundreds of millions from New York City to build a wind tunnel for your team’s lefthanded batters.
Indeed, Yankee fans and players are so confident that they routinely take vacations from baseball in the first two months of the season, knowing that they will always vault from third place to first by September.
5) Math Skillz.
When it comes to the world of math, the Yankees and their fans are geniuses. They have the brainpower to count in a non-linear progression. For example:
1 ticket… $200… $1 million… $2 million… $200 million… BAILOUT!
How does this spectacular brainpower develop? Some believe it is because of the inherent physiological superiority of the Yankees and their fans. Others assert that it is because tickets at New Yankee Stadium are so expensive that fans most cart their money in by wheelbarrow, while the team’s payroll is funded by the printing of money on stolen Treasury Dept. machiney. But however it developed, there’s one clear result: affluence and arrogance.
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Now, you can start to apply these ancient mysteries to your sports viewing. Simply effectualize your actualization, so that you can visualize your memorialization as a True Yankee. But for the full, latent eldritch truths, you must buy my book, which contains the hidden mysteries known by three of the greatest Yankees to ever walk the Earth: Joe DiMaggio and Brett Gardner. Order now, and I’ll throw in an ARod Shrunken Head ABSOLUTELY FREE!
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Best line:
or extorting hundreds of millions from New York City to build a wind tunnel for your team’s lefthanded batters.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 4, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and rec'd of course.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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