Change 'Dem Sox!: Jim Thome A Red Sox In 2010?
There are so many things wrong with Jim Thome going to the Red Sox that as I propose the idea, I'm also going to talk myself out of it.
It sounds messed up -- and it is -- but follow me on the journey, won't you?
Let's just get the obvious out of the way in reasons why the Sox and Thome aren't a match:
- Can't play defense. The only person that doesn't play defense on the Red Sox is David Ortiz. Do we need two Ortiz-like defenders? One is bad enough.
- Might have better offers elsewhere. He could probably be the starting DH for a lot of American League teams, including the White Sox, who could bring the slugger back.
- Lefties dominate him. OK, dominate is not the word for a player with 564 career home runs. Let's just say he's not as good against lefties as he is righties.
Randy, you made a good case against yourself. Good job. Now let's turn the page and talk about why Thome could be a fit with the Red Sox.
First of all, Thome is a slugger. Even at the age of 38 last season, Thome hit 23 home runs in 107 games with the White Sox. He had an .891 OPS before the All-Star break last year. It doesn't matter who the batter is, we'll take that. While his batting average might not be the prettiest, he can still put good wood on the ball.
Thome is also a perfect candidate for the Sox because he has a fantastic batting eye. His lifetime .404 OBP (with a .277 batting average) would make him fit right in with players like Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, David Ortiz, J.D. Drew, Victor Martinez and, potentially, Jason Bay (and hopefully whoever our new shortstop is).
OK, he can hit for power and get on base. That's a good combo. What else? He's going to be cheap. He made $13 million last year in his time between the Dodgers and White Sox, but I will guarantee right now that Thome will not sign for more than $5M this offseason. There is no way. If he does, I will change my avatar to Evan Longoria for one month. And I hate Evan Longoria.
Signing Thome would be kind of like the Sox signing John Smoltz, Takashi Saito and Brad Penny last year. Three guys who are obviously past their primes, but Theo Epstein still sees that they can contribute somehow. Well, Penny did all right -- he wasn't a complete bust. Smoltz was a complete bust. And Saito was great. So if Thome's between Penny and Saito, I'll be happy.
Thome would be great insurance for the Sox if David Ortiz decided to hit like David Ortiz pre-June 2009. If Ortiz falters, we can stick Thome in the lineup on occasion and, hopefully, he doesn't falter. Thome is like the white version of David Ortiz ... and I really can't see many more differences than that, to be honest.
The only thing that would make Thome better is if a) he hit lefties better (that way, Ortiz smashes righties and Thome smashes lefties -- a great combo) and b) Thome could really play defense. But then again, if Thome could do both of those things, he would be going for more than $5M this offseason.
With Thome, the Sox would get a power hitter off the bench that has a great batting eye (not to mention a great clubhouse guy, from all reports). The downsides are the fact he's older and can't play defense, but he'd provide substantial pop off the bench and could help the Sox if anything happens to Ortiz in 2010.
Call me crazy, but I'm pulling for Randy to be right in this debate.
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Oh, if only we needed a DH.
Jim Thome has been my favorite player, non-Tim Wakefield division, since I was twelve. I wish this could work.
Jim wants two things: one, he wants a shot at a ring; two, he wants a shot at 600 home runs. Sitting on the bench for the Red Sox will only give him a chance to accomplish one of the two. He wants both, and since he’s going to be 40 next August, I don’t think he wants to wait much longer.
Plus, well, he is, uh. Not a particulary adept bench guy. 5-for-20 off LA’s bench last year, all singles, and he’s been roughly that terrible his entire career; I think his average as a PH is hovering just above Mendoza, and he only has three pinch-HR. It’s just not what he does, obviously. Guys who hit 564 home runs don’t get accustomed to pinch-hitting. Pretending otherwise is a waste of his skill and Boston’s money.
It’s not like it’s a bad idea for the Red Sox. If anything, he’s a great guy and his teammates and the fans would love him. It’s just not something he’s inclined to do and it’s not something the team needs to do.
by Amanda Cournoyer on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Risk
Depends on the price to me. If they can wait him out and he still could contribute, why not.
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by Rob Luker on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
absolutely no
What do we need a Bench DH for? We already have a DH who, good performance or bad performance, is getting $12 million. We’ve only got 25 roster spots and our bench spots had all better be able to field at least one position decently.
It would maybe be a weak possibility if he had even a remotely different skill set than Ortiz (like hitting lefties), then maybe they could platoon, but even then, I’d be skeptical about using up 2 roster spots for DH. If Ortiz can’t perform up to standard, honestly, I’d rather see somone young in the system get some MLB at bats- maybe Lars IF he recovers, and hand the DH spot to Lowell. Of course all depending on what the roster actually looks like come April.
by wolf9309 on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even that crazy about using one roster spot for DH
You let it slide with Ortiz because with the exception of this year, his performance has justified it. But I’d much rather have even our DH capable of fielding a position decently — that would give Tito more flexibility in setting the lineup.
One Ortiz is enough. Two is too many.
by RSNexile on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes definitely
Ortiz is Ortiz and he can have the roster spot as long as he can perform. Otherwise, I think a good hitter who can actually field a useful position (even if not well, just a utility OF with ok to sub-par defense who can hit well) is much more useful.
by wolf9309 on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the more serious question is..
Why is Randy talking in the third person?
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by mystman995 on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because Randy likes to argue with himself
Let Randy be…
by Randy Booth on Nov 10, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we could cut Ortiz and not pay him, then OK I guess Thome would probably be better.
But we can’t, so we stick with Papi.
by Ben Buchanan on Nov 10, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
?
Presumably because Thome would be cheaper, right?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because as much as we would like to
We can’t cut out two-month monster slumps from Papi’s season to make it anything more than what it was: Crap
by Ben Buchanan on Nov 10, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eye sight issue still not a viable excuse?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 14, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go younger than looking for a veteran and possible HOF...
It is silly to get Thome. You need a player who has more tools than Thome, he can’t even hit lefties. The Sox are better off getting a fast utility player, who can play the infield. Think OBP than slugging.
Anyway Papi is the DH. Thome should retire or head to an AAAA team like the Royals, Orioles, Indians… Might as well sign Mo Vaughn..
by superferret on Nov 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thome is still a very useful player.
Just not for this team.
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by BTLove on Nov 10, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I’m not sure how useful he’ll be next season, but that’s not the issue. The point is that he’s not a good fit for Boston, and that’s what matters. The Red Sox can’t control how well he plays, nor can they control what team he goes to (if not Boston). The only thing the Sox can control is whether they sign him (and for how much).
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by crabchowdah on Nov 10, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Bloggy on Nov 10, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Quote win.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 14, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by same23 on Nov 11, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 14, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$12.5M isn't enough for a DH
so we’re gonna pay $17M for two? Why on earth would we do that?
I agree Thome can still hit. I have him at .252/.369/.484 next season but that doesn’t mean I want him on my roster. Ortiz projects for .258/.358/.483, so maybe in hindsight signing him this long wasn’t a good idea. I’d still prefer Papi on my team, I just don’t want to pay a $7M premium for that privilege.
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