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You know, we have a pretty awesome community here - almost everyone who participates brings good information and opinions, we don't have too many problems with flame wars, and the tough times are just as fun as the good times. It may be something that we take for granted, but then we look outside of OTM, and we come running back because of articles like this:

Saddnes With The Red Sox - Bleacher Report

I`m sure most of you have heard about the Red Sox. Out of the 2009-2010 postsseason.When I saw what happened I was so mad, I even kinda hated Johnthan Papbon. I mean 1 out.Is it that hard to do.Who do you want to win the World Seris this year?

That was the entire article; I feel a great "saddnes" because of this. Seriously, how can some people manage to operate computers effectively enough to navigate their way around the web and STILL post crap like this? It's pointless, doesn't really state any opinions, and is nearly incomprehensible. Thanks to those of you who consider your audience when you're writing FanPosts or posts on other sites - it makes following the Sox and baseball much easier.

Unfortunately, it's not just the actual writing that separates OTM from other sites (I mean, c'mon, I write for this site). Sometimes, it's just... let's see, how can I word this without being too insulting... Meh, you can just see for yourself:

THEO EPSTEIN BLINDED BY SABERMETRICS, CALLS JD DREW "One of Baseball's Most Valuable Outfielders" - Masshole Sports

The Fail is strong with this one. Hopefully, this is just a minor issues that won't prevent either the sabermetric or "primitive" side from listening to the other's opinions. If you truly believe that JD Drew isn't one of the most valuable outfielders, perhaps you'd like to explain why - without referring to RBIs or errors or heart? If you feel you absolutely MUST use those qualities/quantities to evaluate a player, I, along with several other members of OTM, would love to explain why your support is questionable.

Theo Is Out Of His Mind - Sox vs. Stripes

Really? Really? He's actually worth more than we're playing him? Unless we're talking pesos or zlotys here, I think Theo just took the Crazy Train to Loonyville. Who can possibly look at what J.D. Drew has done in Boston and coherently argue that he is worth more than his salary?

Funny. To answer your rhetorical question, 1) Theo, 2) the rest of the Sox Front Office, 3) at least 2/3 of the rest of the executives in the MLB, 4) most of SABR (there might be some issues with BPro followers or non-stat SABR members), 5) several baseball blogs OR 6) anyone with access to Fangraphs.

Any more questions?

After the jump, the lovefest dies down - sorry guys, I can only bash links in the name of OTM so much. Instead, we'll get back to the normal analysis of links, ranging from a Reddick interview to the release of the data for an alternative to UZR for this season.

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Josh Reddick Talks About Making it Big - Fenway West

#68 still has a ways to go, but it definitely seems like he's ready to deal with the hard-hitting media coverage - just look at how calm and collected he is!

Can you name the 2004 Red Sox World Series winning roster? - sporcle

This quiz is difficult, as the bench and pen may not be engrained in your memory. I managed to get Leskanic and Myers in just before the timer ran out, mostly because it took like 5 and a half minutes to spell Mientkiewicz right. Thanks to Joy of Sox for the link.

Can you name the 2007 Red Sox World Series Roster? - sporcle

24/25 correct, with 3 minutes left. Remembered Kielty (who could forget Ronald McDonald?) and struggled between Dougie and Cash for the backup catcher. The only one I didn't get was by choice, and I think we all know who it is - oddly, "he" is one of the most often missed answers on that quiz. I wonder why...

Trades Of The Decade: Bedard To The Mariners - MLBTradeRumors.com

Since some of you are pushing for Bedard over Harden if we choose to go the "low-risk" route again, this seems relevant. It's also good to review how the decade was shaped, starting with the BIG stuff.

Newsday: 2009 Collapse Would Be Worse Than 2004 - The Joy of Sox

Even if the difference in talent is larger this time around, it was still 3-0. It had NEVER been done before - NEVER. The MFY appeared to have all the "momentum" in the series too, and couldn't close it out. Now, 5 potential AL-pennant-clinching games later, they are still struggling to try to return to the World Series.

An Aging Theo Epstein and an Aging Red Sox Club - Bleacher Report

Pretty good article from the same site as the babbling genius - if you didn't click through to the other BR link, then you should definitely read this one.

All about the money - Tony Massarotti, Boston.com*

Top Fielders of 2009 - Sean Smith, THT*

At least according to TotalZone.

For those of you who don't like UZR, here's an alternative. Also, Cruz is a beast.

*Is this format preferred, versus just listing the site name? Some stuff NEEDS the author to be identified, just so that it clarifies what the link is about.

Links, comments, college football talk if your team's site is dead during games, etc. Remember to check out all the discussion going on in the FanPosts, and perhaps take a second or two after you finish reading them to admire the amazing community we've built here. If you're new, or haven't felt the need to comment, sign up for an account just in case you want to respond to something (reply buttons, please), or to post new content of your own.

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Dude.

You gave away some of the answers to the roster quizes.

Goddamn that DeMarlo Hale.

by Bloggy on Oct 24, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're welcome. :)

@bs_uf15bosox9be 12 pieces of bacon, a Red Bull, and go get 'em; Learn to use SB Nation

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 24, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those guys are so dumb.

The funny thing is they are really arrogant about it. They need to educate themselves. The Sox vs. Stripes post was among the dumbest I have read. Cuddyer and Abreu are good defensive players? Value is relative to contract? Maybe those guys would prefer our team be run by the likes of Dayton Moore so we could stick to looking at fielding percentage or RBIs…and be like the Royals.

by Buzzy on Oct 24, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The Sox v. Stripes post was one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a while.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Absolute idiots.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Oct 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cruz

It surprises me that Nelson Cruz was the second best rated fielder according to TotalZone. I dont doubt it i just never would have thought that

by cnubsbl16 on Oct 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't understand the Drew hate.

Is it really just because of 2007? Is it really looking at just BA/RBI? Even for those that don’t love the more advanced stats, I figure OPS is pretty standard now-a-days, right? He’s been ridiculously good for us the last couple years, and he just plain LOOKS great in the field. He glides, even in Fenway’s weird RF he gets to everything.

by USG on Oct 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I can’t count the times where ball gets lined down the right field line and my first thought is “shit that’s going to be a double”, but here comes “JD Slide Threw” and makes an amazing catch and makes it look effortless.

The only thing that looks more poetic then JD in the field is his swing.

by drabidea on Oct 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don’t get is that people seem to forget the big hits that Drew has the last couple of years; even in 2007.

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Oct 24, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd be surprised

Or maybe you wouldn’t be surprised, I dunno, I just know a lot of people who say stupid stuff like “If he’s so good, why doesn’t he have that many RBI’s?” or “Why is he always trying to take a walk when there’s guys on base instead of trying to get a hit?”. They hate on him for that stuff.

They’re easy to ignore though, just lucky that they have their ingrained beliefs and Theo got them all riled up because of this and they have a medium to convey their distaste and anger.

DFA Beckett

by South Coast Ghost on Oct 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some people only look at BA/RBI and judge his fielding by how much he dives.

Fox thinks Ells is a gold-glover.

You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970

by BoldandBrash on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...

…Ells had a LOT of amazing plays over the wall and on the wall this year. Not to mention his range and speed is stellar. I think he’s gold-glove caliber at any rate. Give it time :-)

I know it's early, but it's never too early for a little optimism and hope. All I know is that Soxtober is the best month of the year.

by BHeebs on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His speed is great.

But his range would be epic if he could make any sort of decent reads.

@bs_uf15bosox9be 12 pieces of bacon, a Red Bull, and go get 'em; Learn to use SB Nation

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

he has a good amount of gun-downs at the plate. The guy plays excellent baseball and is pretty reliable in the lineup.

I know it's early, but it's never too early for a little optimism and hope. All I know is that Soxtober is the best month of the year.

by BHeebs on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Few more links

The 2010 Bill James Handbook is already available for pre-order from Acta sports (the editor)
They distributed their player projections to some SBNation staff for a preview (Is Randy one of those “happy few”?): Anyway, Driveline Mechanics has a piece that very much interest everyone one here: Yes the inevitable Holiday vs Bay Projection Check it out OTMers!

The Huffington Post released their list of top 10 "Game Changers" in the world of sports "

It’s a list of 10 people

"who are harnessing the power of new media to reshape their fields and change the world."

I, Personally, voted for that man.

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Oct 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Randy is

Projections in the AM, probably.

by Randy Booth on Oct 24, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding!

Love me some Bill james projections!

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Oct 24, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Won't be tomorrow

Haven’t received the e-mail yet… probably Monday or Tuesday, though.

by Randy Booth on Oct 25, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming you meant Appelman for "that man" link?

@bs_uf15bosox9be 12 pieces of bacon, a Red Bull, and go get 'em; Learn to use SB Nation

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 24, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, link fail

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Oct 25, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here

Link

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, myself, am enternally indebted to Bob Bowman

♥♥ I love you, MLB.TV ♥♥

Goddamn that DeMarlo Hale.

by Bloggy on Oct 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good choice!

"That was a lot of fun… You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." Jeff Francoeur

by radiohix on Oct 25, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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