Dissecting the Red Sox Roster: Pitching
I was originally going to post this the day we lost-I had written it as something of a therapeutic exercise-before I realized that this might be a "the body is still warm" situation. I thought that fit with the title. Anyways, we've all had time to cool off, time to grieve, and I think it's about time we move on. The stove is warming up, so let's get right to work, starting with a player-by-player review of the current and free-agent bound Red Sox. Who's going, who's staying, and who has trade value.
Daniel Bard: As a young, cost controlled player, Bard provides an immense positive for the Red Sox in the pen. Groomed as a closer throughout his career, Bard may not be ready yet, but he certainly gives the Sox flexibility in the event that Papelbon does become a sought-after commodity, both in the decision to act on a potential trade, and in the pieces they may get back, since they would not necessarily need a closer in return.
Josh Beckett: In the final year of his contract, Beckett actually has a lot to prove. Beckett has largely been living off his 2007 reputation with the Sox. While he was by no means bad this year, his 4.03 ERA in 2008 is not what we expect of an ace-type pitcher, nor is his 3.86 this year. Looking further into the stats, he's giving up quite a few more walks and homers, and striking out fewer of late too. This has lead to a steadily rising FIP from 3.08 in 2007 to 3.24 in 2008 and 3.63 in 2009. His tRA has also risen dramatically from 3.09 in '07 to 4.57 in '09. Ultimately, the Sox cannot approach Beckett's free agency with the idea that he's a necessary commodity. 2 years ago this idea might seem ridiculous, but as is Beckett may be a very replaceable pitcher for the money he will want.
Clay Buchholz: With his salary in check and his potential finally starting to show, Buchholz should be a valuable part of the Red Sox for years to come, whether as a future ace that many project him as, or as a solid #3 man. The real question with Buchholz is what his trade value is. There haven't been many trades mentioned throughout this last year that haven't involved the young hurler, but it seems that the Sox and potential trade partners just cannot agree on his worth. While his much-improved showing during this regular season may have raised his stock, it's still questionable whether the rest of the league sees him as being worth as much as the Sox feel he is. I doubt the Sox deal him unless he gets value near that of a potential ace.
Paul Byrd: The Byrd man is gone, possibly for good. After getting no interest from anyone until the Sox were forced to sign him due to injuries and poor results from FA signings, Byrd may even choose to go out on his own terms and retire. Either way, there are better options for the Sox in the offseason.
Manny Delcarmen: Around the trade deadline, the Sox had a great chance to get value for Delcarmen. Now they'd be lucky to get any trade offers. Even with a good start to the season, teams would need to see prolonged success to believe in him. Given the talent he's got, it would be smart for the Sox to keep him on as a low-leverage bullpen man if the rest of the pen gives them the option, and then trade him the second a team shows significant interest. He's still under team control for a number of years though, so it's not a big risk (yes, I know, low-risk high-reward is a crap buzzword right now).
Jon Lester: Not much to say here. He's our ace, he's young, he's under team control for many years. He's one of the most definite of the Red Sox' pieces.
Daisuke Matsuzaka: Much has been made of Daisuke's difficulties with the management and coaching staff of the Red Sox. And certainly the Sox can't be happy with him after he all-but-sacrificed his season with the team to pitch in the WBC. He is young, he isn't too expensive (well, not now after the posting fee) and he does have plenty of ability, but there are many questions as far as Daisuke's future is concerned. If Daisuke recommits himself to the team this offseason, then perhaps the Sox will recommit themselves to the idea of the Wunderkind Daisuke. But if the Sox can get good value on him, despite their weak bargaining position, they may jump at it, even if it does mean hurting their position in the Japanese prospect market.
Hideki Okajima: Okajima will be entering his first year of arbitration-not free agency-and as such is likely not going anywhere anytime soon. However, Sox fans do have to question how good Oki is going to be from here-on-out. 2009 was a down year for Oki, as his ERA rose to 3.39, though his peripherals were largely unchanged. He lost a few strikeouts, and gave up 2 more homers (though, when you're giving up 6 on a year, that's not a small deal), but his HR/FB% was up similarly, and his BABIP was up too, suggesting it might be some luck. The fear has to be that the league has figured out Oki and his bizarre delivery. In this case, only time will tell. If Okajima can return to form, it'd be a significant boost to the Red Sox' pen.
Jonathan Papelbon: After blowing up to end the season on a horrible note, plenty of Sox fans were calling for Paps' head. The post-loss fervor seems to have died down, but the idea is still out there. Papelbon has not been as good as he was in 2007, though he has by no means been bad, average, or even just above average. Let's make no mistake, he's one of the games best. However, the Sox are going to lose him one way or another in a couple of years, and Daniel Bard certainly has the stuff to replace him soon, if not now. Ultimately, it seems likely the Sox very quietly inform the league that his name is out there, and then if someone decides to overpay for a relief pitcher due to the "closer" title, give it a long, hard look.
Ramon Ramirez: Another cost-controlled pen arm, Ramirez started the season hot but struggled as the year went on. While his 2.84 ERA is still very low, his high walk rate and middling strikeout rate lead to a high FIP and ERA. If Ramirez can return to early-season form next year, he'll be a valuable part of the pen. If he returns to being a guy they can't trust in late innings, though, the organization will have to choose when to cut and run.
Takashi Saito: Saito is an interesting case. The team holds a $2.5 million option on him, and while his tiny ERA would seem to make this an easy decision, there are many things that suggest otherwise. The first is that his peripherals are universally worse. His K/9 are down, his BB/9 up, his HR/9 up. His FIP and tRA have risen tons compared to his career averages, and he seems to have lost his ability to induce ground balls. The team has also shied away from using him in pressure situations, and if he's only gonna pitch blowouts and 6th innings than he's likely not worth the money it would take to keep him-especially if his numbers regress towards what his process suggests they should.
Note: South Coast Ghost correctly points out that the option is actually worth quite a bit more, as Saito fulfilled all his incentives for remaining on the active roster, as well as two for innings pitched. This brings the option value up to $6 million with $1.5 million in incentives remaining to be had. If it was a tough call for Sox management before, it's even harder now.
Billy Wagner: To the Red Sox, Wagner represents draft picks. Beautiful, beautiful draft picks. A type-A free agent, Wagner will net the Sox the top draft pick of any team that signs him, and a supplementary pick after the end of the 1st round-assuming he doesn't retire. While earlier, it was questionable whether the 38-year-old Tommy-John patient would garner enough interest for a team to sacrifice a pick, 26 strikeouts in 16 innings should turn a few heads, not to mention a 1.72 ERA. The Sox have already agreed to pass on Wagner's $8 million team option, and it seems unlikely he will accept arbitration if the Sox offer it, since his reason for demanding they pass on his option was his desire to close. In essence, the Sox have a chance to recycle Carter and Lora for first-round talent. Now that's a deal.
Tim Wakefield: As per usual, Wakefield outperformed his 4 million dollar option, and as usual it would be foolish of the Sox not to pick up his contract if he's willing to come back. But given his status as a perpetual injury risk, the Sox had also better be sure they have a back up ready. If he chooses to call it a career, then it will be the end of a long and fruitful career that set the bar for loyalty.
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Nicely done.
Goddamn that DeMarlo Hale.
by Bloggy on Oct 14, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice summary USG
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by SoxDevil on Oct 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice job.
To me what is most disappointing about Beckett’s season was that on August 1 he was having an 07-like season. For about 18 straight starts he was completely dominant, and I never would have expected that run at the end. The wheels seemed to fall off after that great start he had at Yankee stadium in that pitcher’s dual with Burnett. After that he allowed like a zillion HRs which jacked up his tRA and FIP. On August 12th his ERA was 3.10 and his FIP was really low. Over then next 5 starts he allowed 14 HRs. Normally if a guy is having a season like that, you don’t expect him to become completely unglued that late.
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seasons are made of good streaks and bad streaks
Occasionally, it’s made of the absolute extremes (that stretch, April)
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
but the numbers I was talking about on August 12 was inclusive of April, and he still was 07-like. I doubt he has ever had a stretch of 14 HRs in 4 games-even in 06. That is damn hard to do.
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
First it was 14 HRs in 5 games including 5 HRs against the yankees. That was the only time he has giving up 5 or more HRs a game.
I went through his game logs and you are correct, there was never a time that he gave up that many HRs in a similar stretch. The closest I found was a 5 game stretch in 2006 that he gave up 10 HRs including back to back 3 HR games to the Rays and White Sox.
I agree with you though that he was pitching great until the 12th this year. Maybe next year with Lester being our ace it will take some pressure off and he will perform more consistently.
by drabidea on Oct 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Beckett thrives on being the ace.
It may inspire him, but it won’t be a lack of pressure.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work USG. I wish you would have touched on the marginal pitchers like Bowden, Taz, and the Pawtucket arms.
A real quick run through of them wouldn’t have hurt.
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by sox-inda-south on Oct 14, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the third bit, actually.
Pitchers, Batters, Prospects
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is to say
Ones that could potentially contribute in 2010.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Beckett
Texas will want him badly.
VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
by gizmosandy on Oct 14, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sandy with the controversial opinion!
Surprise!
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying trade Beckett for mos.
VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
by gizmosandy on Oct 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of the most tradeable parts on the team
VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
by gizmosandy on Oct 14, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, really?
we’re not trading Beckett.
OK, no one’s UNtradeable, but it would have to be all-star for all-star at a position of need. Are you thinking SS Michael Young from TEX might be a possible target?
by dsharp on Oct 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Young
plays 3rd now…because he sucks at SS (and because Andrus is a great fielder). He is a career -75 UZR at SS! Over the last 3 years Beckett has never been below 5 WAR, while Young has never exceeded 3.5 in his career.
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke.
Sandy covets Michael Young.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then that should be good info for Sandy
although I doubt he believes in those stats…
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but he's played SS and I'm trying to piece together Sandy's logic.
by dsharp on Oct 14, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My logic goes like this:
Beckett is not an ace. Beckett is not consistant. There is ZERO chance the Red Sox give Beckett the contract he will command after 2010. Beckett even on a one year deal could fetch a nice return.
Texas needs SP, Beckett is from Texas. Everyone’s happy.
VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
by gizmosandy on Oct 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the Red Sox who lose one of our best pitchers.
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-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Oct 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Beckett is from Texas"
Is he ET all of the sudden? Didn’t realize he’d want so badly to return his home state, where he’d be for 2/3 of the year, at most.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandy you lost your bet against me. Bucholz will be in the 2010 rotation therefore you owe me a new profile pic.
You can choose from this list: Peter Griffen, Marilyn Monroe, Barney Frank, Audrey Hepburn Queen of England, Quagmire, Flav-O-Flav, 50 Cent, and Jason Varitek.
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by sox-inda-south on Oct 14, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not 2010 yet
VARITEK MUST GO
Brandon Webb in 2010
by gizmosandy on Oct 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice article
A 1-2-3 of Lester, Beck and Buch sounds fine to me to start the year
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by DougieWentDeep on Oct 14, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has Bard had any injury problems in the past?
The couple times I’ve seen him pitch, I thought it was amazing how hard he threw with what looked like so little effort. Just wondering how healthy he’s been.
by WiHaloFan on Oct 14, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Converted starter. Could maintain speed when starting, just not control.
He’s a sturdy guy. Shouldn’t have to worry about the arm falling off at all. Has also fine tuned his delivery while in the minors, so he likes what he’s doing.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I know of.
I think he never had a significant injury at UNC or in the minors. He does have a very fluid, effortless motion, but sometimes the guys that “look” like they have perfect mechanics (eg Mark Prior) breakdown as much as the awkward throwers.
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Mark Prior, I still want us to give him a MLFA deal.
Why not? It’s not like it’s gonna hurt us to give him Pawtucket work just in case.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I though he was already
signed? Padres?
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Released
Time to give the ol’ Sox trainers a shot.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs his arm snapped in several places so that he has to relearn throwing again.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 17, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
why is Saunders going to start game 2 over Weaver? I know Saunders is a lefty (better for Yankee stadium) and Weaver is better at home, but wouldn’t it make more sense to get more starts from the better pitcher?
by Buzzy on Oct 14, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Angels are concerned about Weaver and flyballs
Saunders is more a GB pitcher, plus he’s been pretty good since getting a cortizone shot and getting a couple weeks off a couple months ago.
by WiHaloFan on Oct 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but that’s results based over a small sample size, and Weaver has always been the better pticher despite the higher ERAs of the past-Joe Saunders is a career 5 tRA, 4.6 FIP pitcher. That makes me nervous. Plus it will be cold and the new Yankee stadium is playing less and less like a bandbox as the season has gone on. I think this is an overthinking mistake that might cost the Angels a start of Weaver and replace it with Saunders, who really is an average pitcher by secondaries. I hope it works.
by Buzzy on Oct 15, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...it is a small sample size,
but there’s no denying he’s done well over his last 5 or 6 starts and the Angels may as well ride this hot streak until it’s over. Hopefully, it doesn’t end in NY.
I know I’m biased (imagine that!), but Saunders is my favorite Angel. I don’t know why, I just like him. To give him one start at the expense of Weaver, to me isn’t that big of a deal, especially since they have Santana in the BP.
I hope it works too.
by WiHaloFan on Oct 15, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Saunders too
seems like a good guy. Thing I don’t get about him is that even though he does induce bad contact, his career homer rates are still pretty high.
by Buzzy on Oct 15, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good article... a few thoughts
Saito – I just don’t think we’d cut him. A trade is a possibility, though, to someone who wants a backup closer (or actual closer if a bad spring training injury forces another team’s hand as opening day nears).
Ramirez – His salary pretty much makes him a keeper, even if it’s just as middle-inning relief.
Paps – You hit this one right on the nose if someone is willing to pay through said nose for him.
Dice-K – More conjecture than anything else really, but I think he’s matured enough to now see the wisdom of the Red Sox pitchers training program. A keeper.
MDC – This is the real head-scratcher among the pitchers. I suspect he may be included in some off-season deal as part of a package.
Beckett – Remember how 2/3 through the season he was right there in the Cy Young speculation? The only way he goes is in a trade for an All-Star at a position of need for the Sox. Otherwise he remains half of the solid top two of the rotation.
by dsharp on Oct 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For some reason
In my head these players situations played out like this
-Closer: Wagner & Bard or Papelbon
by qthaballa on Oct 14, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saito
my only comment and question is the following …. comment: He was getting up to 94 on the gun at the end of the season and seemed pretty solid in the playoffs.
question: what relief pitcher on the FA market is better for 2.5 million dollars?
by SoxAcumen on Oct 14, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It depends. Do we get the ERA in the low 2's that he had this year...
Or a 4.00 guy who he should be based on process. I don’t know about relief pitchers, but for starters, 80% of the top-20 or so FIP-ERAs of last year saw significant regression, so it’s not a fake stat.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 14, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saito will be back
$2.5M is nothing for this team. Especially for a tested arm like Saito.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Oct 15, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the option for more though?
I’m pretty sure he made like $5million with his incentives, and his 2010 option is for whatever he ended up making this year.
Still want him, but not for that much.
DFA Beckett
by South Coast Ghost on Oct 15, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you're right.
$1.5 million
$1.0 million since he was on the opening day roster
$2.5 million since he was on the active roster all year long IIRC
$0.5 million since he played 50 games
Option is for 5.5 million with built-in incentives for games played making it a possible 7.5 million dollar contract. I shall edit the post.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 15, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another .5 million for making it into 55 games.
So 6 million.
by Ben Buchanan on Oct 15, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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