Happy New Year.
So it. Y'know. Something.
I should've posted this, given the title, a few days ago. However, I've worked about 50+ hours in the last four days, including until 4 am on New Year's Eve/New Year's Day.
Plenty of great discussion in the fanposts, on a number of important topics, all of which should be figured out in 2009.
1. Catcher.
Let's be f'n honest with ourselves. Bard isn't a starting catcher. I'm not sure he's a backup catcher on this team. If Wake retires for some reason before ST, then sure, as a backup. Does anyone really think they'd be content with Bard as the starter? This is like after the 2006 season when the Sox were "comfortable with Alex Cora as the starter at SS". It's posturing, and as the results from that 2006 proclamation can tell you, we ended up bidding against ourselves for a now-$9M backup IF.
I do think it's silly that some have suggested Varitek couldn't or wouldn't catch Wake with he and Bard more or less splitting time overall. I'd be more comfortable with him than Bard, for sure. Kevin Cash isn't walking through that door, and it's not like Varitek has been throwing anyone out anyway. This could qualify as an aesthetic thing, but I'd love to see us get on track to having a catcher who can throw out more than 4% of runners. I don't know how we're going to do that, but hey. A guy can dream. Greg(g) Zaun anyone (random, I know)?
2. Starting Pitching.
I also don't think we're really done here. Penny could be a good pickup, sure, but I have to imagine Lowe's demands will come down in accordance with no one offering him the money he wants, and the Sox will jump back in. Could be in on Kawakami as well.
3. The Bench.
I don't know what the deal is with Lugo, Lowrie, and the backup IF position. I wouldn't be crazily opposed to hanging onto Lugo if he's willing to backup SS, 2b, 3b, and a bit in the OF as needed. He can still run, his .OBP was actually decent last season, and unlike Alex Cora, I wouldn't do a complete double-take if he had to (knock on wood) take over for an injury at 2b or SS. Other options if we can trade Lugo: Willie Bloomquist (add back the "complete double-take" in reference to starting, and he could do most everything we'd expect from Lugo as the backup), Juan Uribe? Alex Cintron? David Eckstein? How about a backup corner guy? Internally, we could go with Jeff Bailey or Chris Carter. Outside? Doug Malphabet (.OBP and defense), Nomar (nostalgia?), Hinske (no one going to give him a shot starting at 1b or LF?). Funny thing I found out looking up Malphabet and our backup 1B last season: Sean Casey is not, in fact, older than Doug despite looking and playing like he's 50.
4th OF, of course, is not a solved problem either. Amongst FAs who can approximate (or better) playing CF; Baldelli, Kapler, Kotsay. I left Edmonds off on purpose.
We can go a number of ways with this. Defense/versatility: Uribe, Malphabet, Kotsay. Not sure how well he did it, but Malphabet played 1b, 3b, and rf last season. Uribe: 3b, 2b, ss, and Kotsay in all 3 OF spots and 1b. Offense: Lugo (surprising/depressingly), Bailey, Hinske, or Carter and Baldelli. I dunno.
4. Andruw Jones.
Final item for me, and I've gotta get ready to go back to work. No. Final answer. OMFG no. I guess I had more to say. Probably completely useless at this point. Probably done now.
Anyway. Absolutely not. This is a player who successfully, in a pretty unprecedented way, restructured his contract in order to better facilitate a trade, and apparently the MLBPA did nothing to even lean in the way.
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Just no on Jones
I think he’s done, his swing is fucking ugly these days. I think we may sign Baldelli, but Kotsay coming back would be pretty sweet.
I’m not sure we’re allowed to talk about this here, but a friend of mine won some good money betting against Peyton Manning. :)
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 4, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Jones
As for the bench, I see us sticking with Bard, Lugo, and then bringing in a Baldelli, Kotsay, Hinske, or Kapler to go with Bailey/Carter. That bench wouldn’t be amazing, but it’s more than acceptable. I could see a Lowe signing happening, but I think it’s more likely he ends up with someone who needs him more than we do.
by Schulz on Jan 4, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Jones
He would be unbearable to watch. The difference between his at bats last years and Varitek’s…..oh yeah, there is no difference. I am not crazy about bringing Kotsay back, he is a dynamic fielder but I would like to see them get a backup first baseman-outfielder who has a little more pop in his bat.
They need to fix the catching situation A.S.A.P. They can’t go into the season as Bard as their starter OR a catching combination of Varitek and Bard. Varitek’s numbers have been sliding the last several years, what would lead them to believe that this would suddenly change? He is a backup catcher at this point in his career, he needs to be limitied to catching 2 to 3 times a week. You don’t want to be stuck with these guys halfway through the year and then be forced to overpay someone for a starting catcher. Fix it now.
With Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Wakefield and Penny in the rotation (I am not sold on Penny being healthy) and with Bucholz and Masterson ready to step in, as well as Bowden and Bard waiting in the wings, I don’t think a long term contract (anything longer than 3 years which he is asking for) for Derek Lowe should be explored. Trust your minor league system, especially if you have shown that you are unwilling to trade these pitchers for a starting catcher.
In other words, GET A CATCHER. We can’t afford to have 3 soft sticks in the lineup; Varitek/Bard, Lowrie, and Ellsbury (although I think Ellsbury will bounce back this year, however, nothing is a given in MLB).
by desmet on Jan 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My opinions
1. Resign Tek. We need some stability catching our pitching staff. And remember, it wasn’t all Tek’s fault we didnt make/win the World Series last year, it was injuries, and how hot Tampa Bay was.
2. Lowe is okay, but no more than 10mil a year.
3. Lowrie is the starting shortstop. Lugo is the back-up middle infielder. We need Rocco, but having Kotsay back wouldn’t be a bad idea. We need a corner infielder with a power bat (Lars will not be ready THAT soon.)
4. And… a big fat NO on Jones. Over-rated, overpayed, underachiever.
Oh, and MLB Network is my new favorite channel. Anyone know when it goes HD?
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Jan 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOVE MLB Network
watching the WS since my football team is losing badly…
would it make sense for the Sox to look at Abreu? They DO need a big bat…I know the left/right “thing” is an issue but he can hit…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
move Drew to center & put Abreu in right
I know the Ells fans are probably gonna freak but I don’t think Ells is the move…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 4, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and we go from a pretty good defensive outfield to a terrible one...
Using Fangraphs value ratings, going from Drew to Abreu defensively in RF, you give up about 34 runs per year. From Jacoby to Abreu offensively you gain about 21 runs. So that move would be a net loss of about 12 runs per year, or about 1 win. And that does not account for the downgrade defensively in CF, which would probably be another whole win.
by BTLove on Jan 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bard's a great option as a backup.
Assuming he recovers his arm to throw out some baserunners. Resign Tek, have him catch Wake, as he did when he first came to the Sox, and another pitcher (most likely Dice-K).
I think we should sign Kawakami if only for keeping up our reputation in Japan. He looks like he could be at least a decent relief pitcher. Lowe, on the other hand, should be signed only if we can get him for less than $10mil, like BoSox415 said.
We should make every possible effort to trade Lugo, but if we can’t, keep him as a utility player and give Jed a chance to play SS and bat with a healthy wrist.
And Jones needs to retire.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Resign Tek, have him catch Wake, as he did when he first came to the Sox, and another pitcher (most likely Dice-K)."

Him being Tek, that can’t catch Wake, or Bard that was traded because he couldn’t catch Wake?
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 4, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Tek.
He can catch Wake, it’s just something he’d prefer not to do if he’s going to play everyday. He did it back in the late 90’s.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't have nightmares with Tek catching the knuckleball
You just didn’t watch enough of that amazing thing happening.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 4, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"that amazing thing happening"
A knuckleball?
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Tek trying to catch it. If that’s not amazing in a Three Stooges kind of way, I don’t know anything anymore.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 4, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. I can't remember the last time he caught Wake.
Or I wasn’t awake/watching when it happened.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 5, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Nice pic. When I first saw it, I automatically assumed that bs.uf has put it up… ha.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Jan 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what happens when you assume.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek
1.) The best predictor of the future is the past. Varitek has demonstrated he can’t catch Wakefield. He has struggled in the playoffs doing just that task.
2.) The Red Sox brass has done a good job of assessing each player and attaching a price tag to those free agents (see Johnny Damon and Pedro Martinez). As long as they keep up this policy and not get emotionally attached to Varitek they will be doing well.
3.) Over the past 3 years the highest batting average was in 2007 when he hit .255. He batted .238 the year before and just .220 last year. There has to come a point and time when his lack of hitting overshadows his ability to handle a pitching staff. There are other catchers available who can handle a pitching staff and at least 20 points higher than Varitek has these past few years (Once again don’t let emotions affect your decision making).
by desmet on Jan 4, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
1) After years of not catching him. He did fine when he caught him regularly in the late 90’s. And the past doesn’t predict the future. It can help you make predictions, but you cannot assume what has happened before will happen again. If I press the “Post” button, I can’t assume this will be posted, can I?
2) Yep. But no one else wants to give up a draft pick to us for Tek, so we have leverage.
3) You are undervaluing defense. A catcher is a decent enough batter at .240, which is about where most projections have him. If we can get him for less than $10mil, he’s worth it.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about Kawakami is that he might not want to sign with the Red Sox considering they just signed Penny. I’m sure he’d prefer to have a starting job rather than being in the bullpen or, a longer shot, in the minors. However, he could just want to join his boys…
by Randy Booth on Jan 4, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, you are correct:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/kawakami-down-t.html
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I don't believe anything that site says,
but it makes sense in this case.
by BTLove on Jan 6, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
They are usually just links. It’s basically a giant funnel for stories into one easy place.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 6, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because it usually ends up being unrealized speculation by local beat writers looking to fill a column.
by BTLove on Jan 6, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But it makes for good speculative material.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 6, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
o.k, you're all insane
Tek is done. He can’t hit and worse he couldn’t stop the running game last year. So if you are a no stick catcher and you can’t stop the other team running, well there’s pretty nothing left you can do.
A. Jones, he’s done, wouldn’t never consider it.
And Massgirl, me like most of the other male posters here, just love ya darling, but seriously Abreu in right? I reckon he’d give up like -30 runs on(pick your own fielding metric) alone. Sure, he’s got OBP skills for sure, but I’m not sold on his power staying reasonable either. If we can get him for like $8mil per, then I’d consider it.
Pitching, we need more starting pitching, its as simple as that. Look the offense will score a minimum of 830 runs this season, if our staff can hold the opponents to less than 670, then its easy. I like our outfield defense and if Lowell comes back o.k., I love our infield defense…catcher exempt of course.
by sydneysox on Jan 4, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what does gender have to do with my post?
I know Abreu isnt Dwight Evans and I know the lefty lineup would be an issue but the Sox need a big bat & there isnt much out there
& without knowing his stats think he could do well in Fenway… the Abreu/ scared of walls thing is there but he wont cost the Sox 30 runs…
I dont think its such a crazy idea & didnt think one needed a p*nis to post on a blog cuz if that’s the case, does size matter? Can we assume the good posts come from “big” guys ?
Ya probably didnt mean to condescend but I bristle when gender becomes an issue when sports is the subject.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 4, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
No need to have a p*nis to enjoy and/or speak intelligently about baseball. I enjoy your posting, irregardless of gender.
But no thanks on Abreu. Very good hitter, pretty much done on in the field. I like our DH better.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 4, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't have expected it from Syd
And this isn’t just you MassGal, but I hesitate to see where we need a big bat. Some regression could come from Youks and DP. Drew is sublimely talented, and assuming health, which I know we can’t, he should come close to the rate stats he put up last season but hopefully with more total PAs. Lowrie should be the same/better given his injury. Keeping expectations low for Ells. A healthy Lowell OR Papi would make up for some of the possible regression from Youks and DP, and aside from his one down season, Jason Bay seems pretty steady eddie at the plate from season to season. Catcher can’t get much worse offensively than last season.
Red Sox:
2nd in the AL in runs
1st in OBP
3rd in SLG
3rd in SB with a team-wide success rate of 77%
We’re already a good offensive ballclub. Another good hitter is a luxury, not a need.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Jan 5, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Methinks syd has a crush on MassGal.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 5, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Massgirl, check out Fangraphs
They have a knew thing where they combing all their stats into “value ratings” and break them down into batting, fielding etc. As I posted above, they have Abreu as a -25.1 run fielder and Drew as a +9 run fielder last year. With Jacoby as a +17 run fielder in center, theres a good chance we would be losing more than 30 runs per year. (and its not just that he won’t run into a wall, its that he can’t really run anywhere.)
by BTLove on Jan 6, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
but luxury is where its at provided they dont have to break the bank…you’d want to have some punch on the bench or just hanging around .
Hopefully we’ve quelled the gender stuff because if not, I’ll have to keep a tape measure handy.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 5, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, Gal. I’ll squash the gender stuff if it really becomes an issue. It never has before, so it shouldn’t now.
by Randy Booth on Jan 5, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stay out of this then.
No illegal activities please.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 5, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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