Commissioner Bush? {political by commenters}
by fishfarmr on Jan 20, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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Congratulations to Barack Obama and all who voted for him. And to the county as a whole, the peaceful (and ease of) transfering power has always amazed me. With that being said, is George W. Bush the next commissioner of MLB? Or do you think Bob Costas or George Mitchell is the guy? Since Bush is now an ex-president , I thought I would start this debate. He did say on Larry King that he was not looking for the job and Selig may never leave. On a side note, my daughter said Selig looks like Slugworth from Willy Wonka.......
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HE DOES!
And it would make sense. He would have the respect of the media and players. Not in a “wow, he’s so successful” way, but more of a “holy $#!+, it’s the Prez!” kinda way. Costas would be horrible, because he wouldn’t be able to crack down on the offenders. Mitchell already ruined a lot of player’s careers, so I don’t think he’d be too popular with the player’s union/association.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Falling down laughing.
Respect by the media and players in being successful? Nope.
Respect by the media and players in being the president? Hell nope.
In the final full month of his Presidency, just 13% of American adults said they Strongly Approved of the way that George W. Bush performed his job as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapproved. That gives the President a -30 rating on the Presidential Approval Index.
Source: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval
Wishful thinking fella’.
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 26, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was still the President.
He deserves respect, even if he did horrible.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 27, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More evidence of the former "commander-in-chump"
http://www.236.com/video/2009/watch_236_ultimate_george_bush_11062.php
" PLEASE! CHANGE THE PATCH! "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 27, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can't preside over America,
He sure as heck can’t preside over Major League Baseball!
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Jan 20, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
So, if I can’t hit a home run, I can’t hit a grounder either?
And I’m not sure you fully understand what the Prez’s job is.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding, eh
What’s the word I’m looking for?
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Jan 20, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, just in politics mode after school today.
Had to explain double standards to most people, after asking why this inauguration is any more historic than any of the previous.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This inauguration
Is more historic than any of the previous ones because it is the first time we have had a black President.
by Gnick on Jan 20, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And there's where the double standard bit comes in.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying.
My ancestors were Irish, they were butchered and bullied for many years after arriving in America. Also, some of my ancestors were early Mormons. They were persecuted to the point of having an extermination order put on them by the state of Missouri, murdered, being mobbed and forced out of their homes many times and finally being forced to flee to Utah. But there is no equal opportunity for Mormons, no Mormon history month.
Even better, there is no Chinese history month, Native American history month, etc.
And I am in no way trying to imply that African Americans don’t deserve Black History month, I’m just saying we should all go the whole ten yards.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, treat everyone as equals and give special recognition to individuals who do something worth recognizing.
Which is why Obama’s and Bush’s inaugurations should be viewed as equal, because they both achieved an office that less than 50 men have held, an office that makes your name and face instantly recognizable throughout the world, and it means that roughly 65 million people [sigh] like you enough to put you in charge of the most powerful force in the world – the US military.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those types of statements
Make me believe you do not know the history of black people in America or understand that there is still racism today. Obama faced a much more difficulty challenge to become President than Bush. Bush was born to a rich family with political ties and ended up as President via his father’s friends in the Supreme Court. Obama is black, which already puts him at a huge disadvantage in today’s culture, whether is comes from the culturally biased standardized tests, the police who are four times as likely to pull you over if you’re black and eight times as likely to search your car, or the fact that white men on average still make more money than black men for doing the same job.
This election is significant because we have elected a President who’s race faced institutional racism not more than forty years ago, and that for a long long time people though there never would be a black President in America.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying it's not right...
for praising a majority to be wrong and a minority to be right. There really should never have been any distinction between races, and now unfortunately everyone has to pay for the mistakes of their fathers.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't follow
“I’m just saying it’s not right…for praising a majority to be wrong and a minority to be right.”
Are you saying that the majority race, white, is now looked upon as being wrong, and in fact now have a tougher time than minorities?
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a way.
Because you are subject to immediate accusations.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
White people in America do not have it worse off than blacks because they’re “subject to immediate accusations”. As if somehow that’s worse than not being paid as much and being discriminated against by the police.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying it's worse than either.
There are multiple views of what’s important in life. You chose money and the convenience of not being pulled over. I choose being able to freely think and speak my mind without people judging me by something that maybe or may not be true. We define “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” differently, as does everyone else. That’s why the Constitution is broken – the fundamentals don’t apply as well anymore.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, you're a good guy and all
But you this series of posts you wrote since the “And there’s where the double standard bit comes in” one has to be the dumbest thing I’ve read on this site. You’re still young, and you might still learn the history of black people in America, and what they had to go through (still up to these days, really).
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My opinion, I guess.
Unfortunately, people will never stop looking at people and dividing them between races, religions, gender, sexual preference, etc.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Naturally all races were made equal, then whites in America systematically removed the rights of blacks in the country, thus making them unequal not at an intrinsic but rather a social level. Now that blatant governmental discrimination has ended a lot of white people want to act like what happened from 1790-1967 magically was fixed, but in reality black people in America are still suffering from the remnants of slavery and mid-1900s discrimination. Therefore, it makes sense to look at a black president and white president differently because the divide created by slavery and racism is still there.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you are going to blame it on Americans, than you REALLY failed history.
I’m not saying everything is fixed, but it takes two to forgive.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?!
Kid, quit this. Do you realize how remarkably pointless was what you just said?
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 22, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The people that started slavery were not American.
The people that brought slavery to the Americas were not American.
I’m not sure where the hell the forgiveness thing came from. I don’t think I remember typing that…
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I take African-American Studies
I know that slavery was in Africa before Europeans came, but in NO WAY is that an excuse for the enslavement of a race of people for a century and the subsequent discrimination and sometimes legalized MURDER of that race for one hundred years after slavery.
I’m sorry for getting angry, but WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Are you trying to rationalize slavery by saying that it existed in Africa before America? Because that’s bullshit. Then you said “it takes two to forgive”. What if I came to your house, killed your father, took the rest of your family, split you all up, then forced you to work for me for no way in brutal conditions, and oh, if you work poorly I get to beat or even kill you. And don’t get any hope for future generations, because I get to enslave them the same way I did you. After a bunch of generations like that you’re freed, at which point I get to basically keep you as sub-human. And then after that’s over you STILL don’t get the same pay or legal treatment as me. Then I ask you to forgive ME.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd do it.
But I seriously don’t remember typing that. I think I went to copy what I originally had there, and pressed Ctrl+V instead. My sister had to finish an essay on my laptop earlier, though. Maybe it pasted something she copied…
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not saying that makes it better.
But don’t blame someone for what their ancestors did.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
If you do not understand why Obama’s Presidency is important v. a rich white kid who go everything handed to him by his rich, white, oil man father then perhaps you simply do not understand civil rights history or the history of the US in general.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And this is what I mean by saying that everyone is going to have to pay for the mistakes of their father.
Not everyone has to be judged based on what they were born as. Would you have wanted W to abandon his family and try to earn his way into the White House by himself?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is criticizing Bush
For taking what was handed to him, it’s just not impressive that he did it that way instead of Obama’s.
Obama is black and was raised by a single mother, now go do research and find out how many black males raised by a single go to college and how many end up in prison and maybe then you’ll see why people think he accomplished so much.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You just made my point. It's impressive, but no more important... for now.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway....
By saying all that I have in this fanpost, I hope nobody thinks I am a CRAZY elephant and thinks lowly on Dems. I do hope the President does a great job and proves all of his doubters wrong.
And to finally answer the initial question, I think Bush would fit the role of Commissioner well, perhaps more so than he did the role of President.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Although I am the f’n craziest elephant you will ever meet.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The election of Obama does not mean he is necessarily more impressive...
what it means is that America has finally decided that it is okay to elect a black man. Obviously Obama is an extremely impressive and accomplished man. But so were many other black men before who were never even considered for the presidency. What this election signifies is that America has taken a step forward.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still kinda seems like some people voted for him because of questionable reasons.
He became a pop culture icon, and several “supporters” I talked to, who were wearing Ba-rack the Vote shirts, couldn’t tell me his position on several key issues.
And then there’s the whole thing about unfulfillable, conflicting promises.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are just as many McCain supporters who voted for him for simple religious reasons such as hatred of gays, hatred of abortion, overall thought that liberals are the devil, than voted for Obama because he became a pop culture icon.
Both sides had people who did really know much about the candidates vote for them.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But at least most of the supporters of McCain that control the future of America could vote knowledgeably.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"But at least most of the supporters of McCain that control the future of America could vote knowledgeably."
Or more opinionated hyperbole?
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by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 26, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the underaged supporters.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 27, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
No offense, in a Ricky Bobby way, DSS, but you need to freshen up on your Mormon history. The extermination order came during the Civil War when the Wild West, was really the wild west. Certain political groups were wiped out in Missouri as well. It was chaos, bc the US government did not have the resources to protect anyone past the formally recognized states.
Mormons have done themselves little favors throughout US history, I mean they did send Brigham Young’s #2 to kill settlers in lower Utah in hopes of keeping their land free from the USA. He murdered hundreds of people who tried to settle lower Utah.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's not like all of the Mormons wanted to kill them.
Stereotypes and groupings by something as little as race or religion is wrong. Period.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but it was an order from B. Young himself the leader of the Mormons. I am just saying that the Mormons in Missouri were not the only people to be persecuted.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some people just wanted to be able to follow that religion, and didn't care if the "leader" acted against their views.
Kinda like the Catholic priests who are accused of molesting children. You wouldn’t accuse me of wanting to be like Mike (Jackson, that is) simply because I am a firm believer in Catholicism, would you?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa
Please don’t even start the Mt. Meadows Massacre argument.
Read this for a better explanation.
The Church has always been very regretful and remorseful of that awful episode.
As far as the whole “Missouri having tons of political groups being wiped out,” that’s what I’m saying. Should the descendants of those groups have special benefits today?
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God forbid
What, it wasn’t enough for him to wreck our economy, shred our Constitution, lie our way into one war and bumble our way through another, politicize the Justice Department, expose the identity of a covert agent in a time of war (which is a capital offense), do nothing as a major American city drowned, make science anathema to government, and let his cronies who were defrauding Americans of their hard-earned money set federal policy? Now you want to let him ruin baseball too?
Hell no!
by RSNexile on Jan 20, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Can we delete this FanPost before I go crazy politically ranting?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can fishfamr add a "[POLITICS]" to the title of the FanPost first?
Give people fair warning.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
…we let him detain Scott Boras without trial?
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone deserved it, it would be him
But now that adults are back in charge, maybe the Constitution will be worth more than the parchment it’s printed on again.
by RSNexile on Jan 20, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how people completely forget that the neccessary and proper clause, while only being implied, isn't part of the Constitution.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although, since it applies to Congress, I guess it would force people to acknowledge that Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act first.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you to the person who agreed with me.
It’s sad that I get these things, and yet I’m not allowed to vote, unlike the millions of uneducated people who voted off of unfulfillable promises that may have or may not have been made.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know...
it isn’t that people forget what is in the constitution; many don’t know,
many don’t know what is and isn’t in the constitution like privavcy rights, right to marry, etc and believe me, had it not been for law school or my interest in politics, I would be among those who didn’t know…
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 20, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
But everyone needs to know major stuff so that they can vote properly.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how people completely forget that the Fourth and Fifth Amendments exist
by RSNexile on Jan 20, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you a criminal defense atty?
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 20, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Right to Privacy
Is implied by the first ten amendments, and has been something the country has observed for centuries.
by Gnick on Jan 20, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Implied does not = expressed
& this side of the argument has existed for centuries. If the right was expressed, we would not have the abortion, gay marriage and other existing debates.
implied does not mean explicit and many decisions turn on whether justicessee things from framers view ( Thomas, Scalia) or not….
I know how thing are interpreted but the right is not expressed and imo, and opinion of others, therefore not absolute -
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 21, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never quote
Scalia, Reinquist, Thomas or Alito. They are strict construction federalists and believe that everything must be viewed through the eyes of the founding fathers. Its an incredibly stupid argument they try to make in order to justify archaic laws and theories.
The Constitution is a living document that grows with the people of the US and the times in which we currently live in.
Scalia, Reinquist, Thomas and Alito are activist judges who’s only goal is to roll back the civil rights period of the past 70 years in order to ensure control over the law.
You should view their comments as something to joke about. Most in the legal profession believe these guys are clowns.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, it's illegal to change the foundation of the Constitution, which is why it's broken.
The “archaic laws and theories” don’t apply in an age where people care more about themselves than others or their country.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didnt say I agree or disagree
am saying those “clowns” have power & how they interpret things things…and we
( USA) have to abide by the decisions at times; I can see both sides and won’t label what I don’t agree with as stupid ( like rooting for the Yankees)
There are many things I disagree with but I try to see it as good lawyering – grabbing law & making it work for your argument
As an aside, I find Thomas’ opinions an easy read- not “poorly written” but straightforward; Scalia’s are just plain mean at times.
I do try to see both sides and at times play devil’s advocate bc I am at a law school that beats ya over the head with how bad Scalia crew are..I get it but prefer to get there on my own….
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 21, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just read The Nine, by Toobin.
Great behind the scenes look at the last 20 years of Supreme Court cases. Highly recommended.
Here.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 21, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Tommy
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 21, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again.
Highly recommended. Wish I had read it before Con Law.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 21, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But you have to understand...
that there are provisions in the Constitution to alter it if the people so decide. To say “it is a living, breathing document” you are implicitly giving the courts the right to alter the constitution as opposed to the people.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not alter.
Interpret. That’s their job, to interpret the Constitution. It’s been going on sInce Marbury v. Madison, when the Court asserted it’s right to review acts of Congress and invalidate those it believes are unconstitutional. That role of the Courts in not in the Constitution.
And for all you bleeding-heart capitalists out there, in 1886, the Court announced corporations are “persons” under the 14th Amendment, even though the word “corporation” is not mentioned anywhere in the text of the Constitution or in the 27 Amendments thereto. Subsequently, corporations have gained the protection of the rest of the Amendments. Agree with it or not, that decision has formed the bedrock of our modern capitalist system.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 21, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well,
I’m not sure which side of the argument I agree with, I haven’t read enough one way or the other, but I know there are legitimate arguments either way. All of the Justices have spent their lives thinking about these issues and to say their arguments are “incredibly stupid” accomplishes nothing but to show a close-mindedness to the whole issue.
by BTLove on Jan 22, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I said incredibly stupid.
More like politically expedient. Both sides do it.
Though Thomas is known to sleep through oral arguments before the Court.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I though there was some sort of a "convenience clause"
suspending the rights against unreasonable search and seizure or due process because the personal subject to what would otherwise be government deprivations was a meanie.
I think its written in crayon or something…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, if he's a threat do more damage, worry about that first.
Then deal with the consequences. Save lives first, then jobs.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“I’d rather let ten guilty men walk free than put one innocent man in jail.”
Do you know who said that? It was Benjamin Franklin, one of the most influential founders of this country. And right now we’re simply not following that philosophy.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, he also got shocked a few times.
It depends on what they’re guilty of.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Idea
Is that you don’t throw people in prison before you know all the facts, therefore you can’t say that it depends on what they’re guilty of, because there wouldn’t have been a trial yet.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, then I'll rephrase, b/c it was bad word choice.
It depends on what they’re accused of, and if the threat they pose to society is big enough.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
Waterboard Boris everytime he says he has a higher offer from another team.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
by fishfarmr on Jan 20, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't...
Boras have gills?
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's snakey, no eely.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
As a person who lived in the New Orleans area for seven years (1999-2006) I feel I have to correct you here, as I have had to do with many people the past few years.
Bush IS NOT the person to blame for Katrina. You should blame:
1. Mother Nature. Don’t be like Kanye West and say that Bush used voodoo to kill New Orleans.
2. Mayor Ray Nagin, of “Chocolate City” fame.
3. Lazy people who “couldn’t” evacuate. Also, lazy people who live in a basin-shaped city that has a vast history of flooding and were dumb enough to not have emergency essentials such as food storage, first aid essentials, etc.
4. The lousy politicians who lied, cheated, and ultimately didn’t care enough about their jobs to be there in the first place. (DEM Gov. Blanco and DEM May. Nagin)
People shouldn’t blame Dubya for doing “nothing as a major American city drowned.” What did you want him to do? Hurricanes happen, and everyone in New Orleans knew that they were supposed to evacuate. I witnessed the major amount of help that Bush supplied, the Navy SeaBees handing out MRE’s to hard working people supplied by the gov’t who were busy repairing the damage the hurricane had done. All the while seeing the many people who were too lazy too help, saying that they needed the government to build back their city for them, then complaining that their government peroject houses weren’t enough.
I’m not a Republican, but I’m smart enough to know that people who say that Bush did nothing are wrong.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He should have pushed FEMA into the disaster area harder, true.
But he did a decent job of responding to almost unpredictable disaster on a budget that had been stretched thin by other recent disasters.
Thank you for for your perspective, DSS.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I rec'd it, as did someone else.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why thanks
Didn’t want to sound preachy/uber-Republican.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool.
We’re the Coulter to the rest of OTM’s Olbermann.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just...
…proudly proclaim to be a Coulter? Pick George Will or somebody else, please…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, just an easy comparison:
Coulter : Me and DirtySouthSox :: Olbermann : most other OTM users :: MSNBC : OTM
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hannity or bust!
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck no, I'd be Glenn Beck I guess.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so long as no Coulter...
…there’s something seriously wrong with that woman which has nothing to do with political affiliation
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bush is to blame for what happened with Katrina
For years Bush had been pushing small federal government, small federal government, small federal government, then Katrina happens and the federal government has become ill-equipped to handle it. Under ideal conditions Bush would have liked the states to handle these types of things on there own, but Katrina was simply too big to be fixed by anyone but the federal government, which, unfortunately, had decided to appoint a guy who’s previous job had been head of the horse trade with India to be in charge of FEMA.
by Gnick on Jan 20, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, no.
A week before Katrina hit, Bush made phone calls to Governors Blanco (LA), Barber (MS), and the Gov of Alabama (I forgot his name) asking them if they needed/wanted assistance. The Governors of Alabama and Mississippi both agreed that they would need help, and that is why you saw the Gulf Coast (from Mississippi eastward) getting alot of help immediately after the hurricane. All the while New Orleans was getting looted and destroyed because Blanco was too prideful/stupid to ask for help. To quote a line from Copland, “You had your chance, BUT YOU BLEW IT!!!!!” That is what Bush could have said. But he didn’t, and he still sent in the military when Blanco pleaded for assistance with her tail between her legs. When people start blaming things on FEMA and Bush is when they start being ignorant. Just like the people who had been living in GOV"T HOUSING were complaining that they weren’t getting enough assistance from the government and still complain that “Bush lied,” you are wrong. Bush handled things just as ANY OTHER president would have, and it’s just plain old unfortunate for him that that hurricane happened while he was in office.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying
That the Governors and Mayors weren’t equally to blame, but if they’re doing a bad job then it becomes the Federal Government’s job to intervene, something they did not do properly.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not.
Those same states seceded from the Union a century and a half ago because they wanted to have the right to govern themselves.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like when the Civil War ended all governments at state levels disbanded.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying, they asked for those rights, and now they complain about having too much responsibilty.
I don’t want to use a comic book reference on a guy who just used a Ben Franklin quote, but Uncle Ben in Spidey had it right: “With great power comes great responsibility.”
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
now something I can get behind…a Spider-Man reference
+1
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 22, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm?
It’s tough to tell. But I would agree with it even without knowing the source.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spider-Man/video game references
two things that rival (and mostly beat out) my love for the sox…sorry to be blasphemous.
it does kill me though how some artists would like to portray good old Peter Parker as a Yankee fan though just because he’s from New York :( i say thats just an act to avoid sticking out in the crowd…it’d be a lot easier to pick out a guy in a Red Sox than a Yankee hat in NY, I guess.
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 26, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't go pushing the small gov't thing,
If you want a big government, then why be opposed to the Patriot Act?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did I say I opposed the Patriot Act?
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By being uber-liberal.
I’m sorry if I just hypocrytically stereotyped you because of a few views you had presented.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you thought the Justice Dept. was poltitcized before?
I’d wager you think Blagojevich is a lone case.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*wasn't politicized before
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This reminds me of a post I had a couple years ago.
When Steinbrenner was on the outs and we were trying to figure who would take over. Here.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In seriousness,
I think it would be a terrible idea, irrespective of the ex-pres’s “skills”. You want a baseball commisioner to be someone who, by achieving the post, is reaching the pinnacle of their career. Someone who would judge their life’s work by how they performed. For Bush it would be a retirement hobby. How can someone who has sent thousands to die in war make a decision about baseball with the levity all of us would demand?
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So you're basically apposed to any ruler.
Being a good leader means knowing when the sacrifice you are asking of your followers will benefit them more than hurt them. In a government system that no longer allows the military leader [read: Commander in Chief, AKA The President of the United States] to stay in power long enough to see a war to it’s end, Bush went into the war(s) expecting us to be loyal, patriotic Americans and support his decisions long after he left office. Unfortunately for him, most Western people have stopped caring more about their country than themselves.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you missed my point...
Bush has made such important decisions that it would be hard to take his job of MLB Commisioner seriously. I mean when you get phone calls from Hank Steinbrenner instead of Kofi Annan, you may lose your drive to succeed.
I was not making any judgemental comments about Bush’s Presidential decisions, just about the comparatively trivial decision he would make as MLB commisioner.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going off on a tangent about you saying, quote:
How can someone who has sent thousands to die in war make a decision about baseball with the levity all of us would demand?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, if you want a direct response:
Maybe, with less pressure on him, he’d be able to do what he thinks is truly best for the sport. He said somewhere that baseball was his first true love in life, IIRC. He prolly got pushed into politics because of his pedigree.
Speaking of political pedigree, WTF happened to Ted Kennedy? I was in French, and I looked up at the TV and saw something in the captions about him collapsing.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He had a seizure.
Supposedly he’s alert and talkative.
The only reason he hasn’t resigned is healthcare reform.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha...
That sucks about the seizure though. Was it related to the tumor? And isn’t it funny that a Kennedy would find a way to steal some of the spotlight on the day that another young, controversial Democrat is inaugurated as President? And he’s from Illinois, like Lincoln! Maybe Lincoln has come back in the form of Obama to continue the connections between Abe and JFK.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obama is only controversial in your own mind.
And Kennedy is a lion.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
I think he’s a cool guy, and if and McCain we’re in opposite parties, I’d be defending Obama with a passion. A lot of people questioned his experience, as they did with Kennedy.
There are a lot of links between JFK and the last President that was a Senator for Illinois beforehand.
http://www.school-for-champions.com/history/lincolnjfk.htm
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are f*cked.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's an erie number of similarities among the 3, esp. between Lincoln and Kennedy.
And all three were/are great speakers, except as of now, Obama hasn’t delivered a speech anywhere near as memorable as Kennedy’s inauguration or Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are f*cked.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Repeating opinions with no factual base gets you no where in debates.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever Columbine.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woah, no reason to start accusing me of planning to go around shooting kids.
I love my high school, and everyone in it.
And, you should probably use a more up-to-date reference.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are implying that Obama will be shot. No matter your opinion of the dude, that's fucked up.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize if it seemed I was implying any sort of threat.
Not my intention at all. I wish Obama a long and happy life, throughout his current term, a possible second one, and far into the future.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's necessarily implying that Obama will be shot
I do think, however, it’s safe to say that Obama will have many, many threats during his Presidency, because he already has.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not.
I pointed out that two Presidents that had been assassinated had a lot of connections, and that both of them have connections to Obama. I could easily have found links to Bush from either of them.
I enjoy a good laugh, and if a conspiracy theory gets one out of me, then so be it.
There are a lot of people out their that would try to harm Obama, and if I was anywhere near him at the time, I’d willing step inbetween the assailant and the President.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even in the speech he gave back when we first went to war
he said that many Americans were going to be opposed to it. At the time, everyone was pretty anxious to destroy Iraq. (See: Toby Keith.)
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
And, if we ever do find WMD’s, he will transform overnight from one of the least approved President’s ever to the one that may have protected us from the worst attack in history.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not a president that took down the regime
and put on trial one of the most evil mass murderers of all time?
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People tend to overlook that.
Just stating what I perceive as the public’s opinion. Please, correct me if I’m wrong.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still waiting for the WMD's? I thought that ship had sailed.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has...
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can never say never.
Look at this interview transcript: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1814466_1814467_1814509,00.html (RIP Tim Russert)
He says that he made a decision based “on the best intelligence possible, intelligence that had been gathered over the years, intelligence that not only our analysts thought was valid but analysts from other countries thought were valid.”
That’s a lot of people for one bad report to trick, which leads me to believe that there had to have been WMD’s in Iraq at some point.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's no question that there were...
people who think we went to war for reasons other than taking down the Hussein regime are reading too much Time magazine.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Basic investigative procedure, though. He was accused of killing thousands of people, so we had better have checked to make sure that any weapon he possessed that could have assisted him was not able to be used by anyone else.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there were at some point...
but we cleared them out in 1992.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have proof?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or another conspiracy theory?
Were they destroyed, and the information about how to construct them passed on to our current biggest threat, Iran?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its public knowledge,
the Hussein regime was as little as one year away from a nuclear bomb in 1992 when we went in. The program was destroyed under UN (mostly US) supervision. Saddam was also executed for the use of chemical weapons (which are WMD’s) on the Kurds.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't say they were completely cleaned out though.
You can never be sure.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we should invade countries
Based on the pretense of “not being sure” whether or not they have chemical weapons. Thats absurd and it allows us to pretty much do anything. Unless they took a picture of every single square inch of the country we could never be “sure” that their weren’t any off in some odd corner.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have a extremely good reason to, then you should.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But our reason wasn't extremely good
As evidenced by the U.N.‘s findings, the fact that we didn’t find the weapons we were after, and the fact that we plunged the country into civil war.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that they were already in a civil war...
a one-sided one, anyways.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Intelligence
That was directly refuted by months of on-site research by the United Nations. Bush just felt as if he had the power to ignore the opinion of the rest of the world because he ran the world’s second most powerful nation.
God it feels good to talk about Bush’s presidency in the past tense. I seriously had to stop listening to his speeches after a while, it pains me to think that America twice (well, really once) elected a man with the grammar skills of a fifth-grader.
by Gnick on Jan 20, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
[Snorts out water]
Mercantilism?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is China more powerful than the US?
C’mon. They’re GDP per capita is a quarter that of fucking Mexico; one-twentieth of the US. Any country where the vast majority of their people live in extreme poverty is not more powerful than the US.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
China is growing, US is kinda sinking
Really, in 5 years it will not even be close.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in waht respect?
Population? yes. Military strength? Economic strength? no chance. Maybe in 50 or 100 years. But China is still a third world country where many people are barely able to feed themselves. US is not sinking, other countries are just catching up, but China is still a long way off.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing keeping our economy afloat right now is China.
Our government is in hawk to them for about $2 trillion. They could crash the world economy pretty damn easily. That in and of itself is economic power.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 21, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They would kill themselves too.
The growth of the Chinese economy has been powered by American wealth and consumerism. Who will buy all the shit they make if they kill our economy? The US also has the ability to destroy itself and China. This is not true economic power. China right now has a very low standard of living. They have very low purchasing power. Most Chinese cannot afford to eat meat. They are growing rapidly, but they have a long way to go.
by BTLove on Jan 22, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But it gives them significant leverage. And now that they’re making moves to allow for some privatization, their economic growth is going to explode. The great shift hasn’t happened yet, but it will soon.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They still will never pull the trigger.
It would harm them more than hurt them.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That we are what has made China powerful, but that’s not to say that they haven’t overcome us now. Also, it’s invalid to use GDP per capita because of the gigantic population discrepancy.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it depends on what you think of as "economic strength"
The Chinese economy is growing faster than any economy in the history of the world, true. But this doesn’t necessarily make their economy particularly strong or “healthy.” For example, the reason China owns so much of our debt is because they have confidence in our economy. The reason people are constantly trading the dollar is because they know that it is a currency they can believe in. Small nations do not peg their currencies to the yuan, they do so to the dollar.
If you view economic strength as a pure GDP number than you are saying a country like Ireland has a weak economy, when they have one of the strongest in the world. Individuals in the US, or Ireland, live at an extraordinarily high standard of living, because of their strong economies. People in China do not. Maybe they will in the future but right now they certainly do not.
by BTLove on Jan 22, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My god, APMac is going to be a pain in a few years.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Economic strength
There, there. China’s economy is ‘healthier’ than the US right now.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 22, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one will ever pass us in military strength, unless we are taken over and someone acquires our military's...
umm… how do I say this? “Materials” works, I think.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“No one will ever pass us in military strength,”
Except Iraqi insurgents that is.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're stronger.
We just are held back by the little things like laws and rules.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both Russia and Iran could go on a war with America and win it
Also, military strength doesn’t mean all that much in today’s world.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 22, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Are you serious? If we wanted to destroy Iran we could really, really easily. Our problem in Iraq has to do with “nation-building” efforts. I guess Russia has the bombs, but we have more. And Iran? yeah they’d put up a fight if we attacked, but they have no ability to attack us, which is pretty important when judging a military’s strength.
by BTLove on Jan 22, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong about Iran
Most people think it’s a shithole, while it’s actually a pretty strong nation, and one that’s very influential. If America wasn’t able to beat Iraq properly, who was their garden for many years, how the fuck do you think they could destroy Iran that easily? Don’t forget that you’re talking about a people that already HATES the US as it is, if America try to bomb them even further it could lead to bigger shit.
America could beat Iran and Russia, but this was not my point. My point is that a lot of people would die, and the end won’t be a certain thing. See Iraq.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing that makes America so strong is it's Allies.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 23, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It means far less for America than it does for Iran
Most of America’s allies couldn’t give a shit about Iran, while their allies truly hate us. It’s different.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose you're right.
But I think if someone were to attack us (again) alot of countries would have our back.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 23, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
USA is the most hated country in the world, and you can thank both Bush and all the other neocons.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Americans in general, actually.
And no one will ever attack us on a scale large enough to kill millions, because it will have people so angry that they’ll be rioting if the President doesn’t do something. Plus, if we get nuked, the resulting chain reaction would likely create a crater the size of Australia (estimating).
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
America's not getting nuked, or even attacked
Nobody is dumb or crazy enough to do that. I’m talking about a war somewhere else, I’m not sure on how many countries would actually support the US. It was ugly before Iraq, now I guess it’s even worse.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We still have enough fire power.
If we were backed into a situation with no allies and were forced to start threatening, we’d probably do it. Just give Obama or whoever is President at the time something to make them seem f’n crazy.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You DO realize that it means a LOT of americans getting killed, right?
This isn’t Command & Conquer or such. A lot of americans died on Iraq, it could be MUCH worse.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
War isn't a decision for the weak.
You have to be sure that your supporters will stick with you through the bad parts – which is probably where Bush messed up. He couldn’t tell if the support was knee-jerk reaction, or genuine desire to try to fix the Middle East to our perfect view.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By 'fix the Middle East to our perfect view' you mean
Exploring the poor bastards even further? The allies told Bush to fuck himself when they saw there wasn’t much there to take, and the people wasn’t buying that ‘saving your country’ bullshit.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant trying to est. democracies in most of the countries.
And fixing a mistake that we made earlier since we were in the area.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By... Exploring that area even more?
Or do you really believe that “rebuild” talk is for real, and 100% honest.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 24, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If by "exploring" you mean...
poking around for oil, and then claiming the land as our price for getting them to democracy, then yes. How’d you find out?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Getting them to democracy"
I laughed.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 24, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Iraq had a decent election.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 25, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Iraq had a decent election"
You’re killing me…
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 25, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 27, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they'd put up a hell of a fight.
Especially if we tried to occupy Iran, but in a conventional sense we would beat the shit out of Iran. Iran is not a powerful country in the scope of the world. Fareed Zakaria said it best, something like, “if it was 1939, Iran would be not be Germany, they’d be more like Romania.” in terms of military and economic strength.
by BTLove on Jan 24, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we WOULD beat Iran
But a lot of people would die, a lot of money would be spent, and we’d get even more people hating us.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 24, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn those UN rules that hold us back.
If only we could isolate the appropriate area and still do enough damage. Manhattan Project 2, anyone?
And India would love us if we beat Iran.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if this going to turn into a BCS debate...
No one had issues with the Electoral College before the election. If they thought it was truly wrong, then they would have done something about it. And grammar means nothing when it comes to leadership.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grammar matters in that his poor grammar skills indicate a relative lack of intelligence, and intelligence matters quite a bit when being President.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how you define intelligence.
Plenty of undereducated people who use improper grammar are GENIUSES.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
George Bush
Isn’t undereducated therefore that statement is inapplicable when applied to Bush.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He got into an Ivy League school because of his name, right?
Who says he payed attention during those classes? Maybe he let his mind wander to contemplate things he thought more important.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like brush.
And cocaine.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 21, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously.
But I’m sure the world’s problems came into his mind at one point. If not, then he wouldn’t have run for President. Or at least not well, if you believe his father was running posthumously through him and forcing him to go for it.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"grammar skills of a fifth-grader"
that has to be the lamest attack at Bush. Let’s attack the guy for being human and messing words up every now and then. Before television and radio, do you think all the presidents were perfect speakers? probably not, we just dont know about it because they weren’t all over the internet or television.
Sure I’d love for our leader to be well-spoken, but so what if he pronounces nuclear differently than others. Get over it. At least attack him for things that actually matter to the bigger picture.
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 22, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Love the Simpsons reference in your sig.
There were plenty of GREAT uneducated thinkers, leaders, etc.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Bush isn't uneducated
He went to Yale, the fact the he still is not intelligent after that is what’s frightening.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You assume everyone that attends an Ivy League school is intelligent?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
That’s my point, Bush is unintelligent, and you can’t blame his stupidity on lack of education.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This may not mean anything
But as much as he wasn’t brilliant and was a BAD speaker, I think he was for the most part sincere and decisive about what he wanted to do.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 23, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Define intelligent.
Speaking ability isn’t in there. That’s performing skills, which hundreds (if not thousands or millions) of extremely unintelligent actors have.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no
Speaking ability is related to intelligence, most dumb actors can’t do a interview without looking silly. Think Tom Cruise.
Intelligence also means an ability to solve problems, to plan and execute, to comprehend, to learn. Bush can’t do much of any, he’s not one of the bright ones I’m afraid.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if a person has a speech impediment, they can't be as intelligent as a great public speaker?
I realize he’s not a genius, but he’s not Homer Simpson.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
But a guy that speaks better, more ‘fluidly’ than the other is likely more intelligent. Unless this other is speaking in a foreign language or has any speech disorder. Bush don’t qualify for any of those and is, as far as I know, just plain dumb.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just has confidence issues.
Which most likely weren’t helped by the drop off in support.
I don’t really feel like psycho-analyzing the poor man though. He’s probably kicking back in Crawford, chugging “beverages.”
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a POLITICIAN
His father was one too, every fucking one on that damn family must have been doing that since like forever. He CAN’T have confidence issues, that’s ridiculous.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about it:
He was under a LOT of pressure. I said it somewhere else on this thread that I think his father was running posthumously through W, since Jeb was busy in FL.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's going through and rec'ing everything I and DSS say?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you rec'd your own comment?
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I rec’d the Katrina explanation and that’s it.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I rec'd...
a post or two. I’m busy trying to set up a job post-graduation, so I haven’t had time to post my thoughts in here. Fortunately, you’re pretty much summing up everything I’d have said. Refreshing to see someone still has some sense. I go to school in Gainesville, typical college town full of liberals, so any moderate to conservative that I hear brightens my day. I was taking a survey for school yesterday and had THREE choices to the question: What is your gender? male, female and TRANSGENDERED. Honestly, when two options are not enough to give your gender, something’s wrong. As for the WMD discussion above: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/
Take that for what it is, NBC reporting about Hussein’s nuclear program. I don’t think Bush was perfect, but he had 7 years of economic prosperity, which I’m sure most will attribute to the infallible Bill Clinton, and he kept our country safe. Thank God for Bush, I say. It’s a shame that we take our security for granted- evidenced by Obama’s plan to slash the defense budget. Hopefully we never have to go through another 9/11 again, but think back to September 12, 2001 and remember what your priorities were. It’s easy to get them lost and confused in our society. If you think it’s so bad here, feel free to go elsewhere, there are PLENTY of people who would give their right arm to live in the US and enjoy the PRIVILEGES we take for granted.
by TyC on Jan 21, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Gators?
Although we just lost to USC on a last second full court pass for an easy layup after Parsons just missed a FT (again). Nice get back guys, REAL nice.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
This post would have been convincing without the snide comment about Clinton ( "infallible") – we all know Clinton has flaws and is human, the jab at Obama (who has been president for " 5 minutes") or the rah-rah Bush stance. ( not really going to " thank G/god" for his presence) – Bush did not “keep the country safe” any more than other presidents but then again I do not know what that expression means by your definition…
The 2001 attack was not a defense issue…this had nothing to do woth more military. There were briefings and memos about pending attacks as I am sure there always are—it was a matter of following up on the rumblings – I can’t & don’t give anyone a blanket thumbs up without looking at the other side(s). The dems = bad /repubs = good ( & vice versa) arguments are ridiculous.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 26, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately for him, most people realized going into that war was a dumb decision at first place
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 20, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you'd rather Hussein still be large and in charge?
FDR takes down Hitler, Moose, Japan = OUR HERO!!!
GWB takes down Hussein = douchebag…
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saddam Hussein was a monster created by America in the first place
Kid yourself not, Hussein FUCKED the Islamic nations with the help of George H.W. Bush, who was a far more dangerous motherfucker than his dumb kid.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
So blame Herbert, not his kid who had to go clean up Daddy’s mess. And even then, Hussein had gave no hint he was going to be as evil as he was.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You kind of have a point defending Bush, the son
But, really, it’s pointless because Bush, the son, is part of a party of politicians who have tried to push a sorry imperialism on everyone’s ass, which explains the world view of the US right now. I’ll give you that he, Bush, the son, wasn’t as bad as the hype, but he’s still the enemy because he’s a part of that. He shouldn’t have been mocked as he was, because he really didn’t do anything more stupid than what Clinton or his daddy done.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
He was just in office when it all came back to bite us in the ass.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a way, yeah
People blame and Bush because it’s easier, and mock him because it’s sexy. I’m not defending the guy, I do think that he’s a moron, but he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I guess he now blames Florida.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
If you look back at Bush’s statements in the debates, he went against every single promise and principle he declared.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A politician lied?
“No new taxes?”
“I did not sleep with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.”
I could go on…
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, lies are on thing.
But my point is that, mostly because of 9/11, Bush went against his principles. He grew government and got us into wars with no clear escape plan. These are the exact things that he was running against. Occasional, trivial lies happen (yes thats what I consider the Lewinsky incident), but Bush went to a whole new level.
by BTLove on Jan 22, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't a great crisis manager, I get that.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I laugh because I lived in GA at the time.
And it’s sad when political views are influenced by pop culture.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
not at the cost of 4000+ service men and women deaths, 1000s of wounded, 100,000+ dead Iraqis and BILLIONS of dollars on a war to free people who did not want the US to invade. Not to mention that the real problem in the middle east is Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan and by W.’s foolish war, he strengthen our enemies, gave the Taliban a new foothold and destabilized Pakistan so that now the nuclear threat comes from a country who already has nuclear weapons and sits next to one of our closest regional allies, India.
how the right looks at the world just baffles me. Its like you guys never read any history and cherry pick everything that happened in the past 8 years.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You would never be able to lead.
There will always be disputes (and war), until the end of the world. I’m pretty sure none of the 4000+ service men and women would want their deaths to be considered a waste, nor would the wounded want to have been hurt for a lost cause. The Third world still cares more about others, for the most part, over themselves, and if they can help end the evil that poses a huge threat to their friends and family, they’d take it. And billions ain’t much anymore.
And for calling us cherrypickers, you seem to not want to acknowledge that the war isn’t over yet. If Obama doesn’t pull out, we’ll be fine. We’re the most powerful country in the world for a reason.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are still running this...
The war was over the minute W. entered a country and had NO idea what was going on politically, religiously and economically within the region. This idea that some how the soldiers death is meaningful if the US sinks another Trillion dollars and countless lives into a situation that frankly, cannot be won seems hollow and contrived, like you watch Hannity last night and wrote down verbatim his conversation with Bill Kristol.
I would love for you to tell me where the troops, money and equipment are coming from to support this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, you know the place where the guys who attacked us on 9/11 live.
Also, as for me running a country, well i bet i would do a better job than every neo con who seems to forget that the Constitution is the law of the land and that spending money and lives should be done with intelligence and logic not because Saddam scares me at night.
Last time I check Neo-cons are the biggest pussies in the US. Everyone else has children/relatives fighting in the wars.
Finally, every Military leader in the US has said the US cannot support both wars, so you choose, the Taliban the guys who attacked us or Iraq? Your choice.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't watch Fox News often.
I usually just read around the web for a balanced view of stories.
And the Constitution is a bit outdated, but a certain, already mentioned, clause helps it stay at least a partial relevant in most situations. I don’t know if I’m a neo-con, but I know that I have plenty of conservative relatives in the war, and if I was drafted or was severely needed, I’d go in less than a heartbeat.
And I could not make that choice without WAY more information.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is
Japan attacked us, that is what brought us into WWII. Saddam never attacked us and we didn’t get permission to attack from the U.N., therefore we broke the very same international agreement that we helped to create.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're willing to let thousands of people die at the hands of evil?
I would have been saying the same thing 65+ years ago, too.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
there are worse tyrants in this world. We aren’t going to wage war on all of them. Our enemy was Islamists, so we attack the most secular force in the middle east? dumb. Just fucking dumb.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He killed thousands of people that we entrusted him to lead and protect.
You f*** something up, you have to clean it up. Socially, physically, party fouls, and world leaders.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking abut Saddam or Bush?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You still not getting that they were entrusted with different jobs?
And that those losses of lives, while comparable in numbers, are not the same. Saddam killed people that he disliked for a variety of reasons (Hitler-like, no?), while Bush asked Americans to fight for a cause they should support as citizens of the world’s leader. They understood the risk they were taking when they signed up, and were not massacred like the victims of Hussien’s genocides.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously Bush > Saddam.
But your words apply to both.
“Bush asked Americans to fight for a cause they should support as citizens of the world’s leader.” That’s a weird thing to say. First of all, the only thing Bush asked Americans to do was shop.
Second, President is not King. We take no oath of loyalty to the President – he takes an oath on our behalf. We entrusted him to lead wisely and carefully, and he either lied or inepted his way into a misguided war with no goals. Either way, he lost the mandate to lead.
Iraq hasn’t improved our standing in the War on Terror one damn. Bush f’d up. Iraq was a mistake.* You’re in the minority.
- (and regarding theories discussed elsewhere that WMD actually existed: if Saddam actually had them, he would have used them on us. He was a meglomaniac hellbent on staying in power. To insinuate that he may have sent them elsewhere or hid them or whatever is kind of like suggesting Steinbrenner threw the 2004 ALCS. It just doesn’t make sense.)
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think it was NOT a mistake, though.
If we hadn’t gone to war, Saddam Insane would still have tons of power.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 23, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being an American citizen should require loyalty to America and whatever it's leaders choose to do.
And scroll down on the link.
The WMD thing? If he did it, he would have been dead within 24 hours. I’m not even joking.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats absurd.
Would you have loyalty to American leaders if they asked you to march into Canada and kill as many civilians as possible? We are citizens with minds; it is our responsibility to question what these idiot politicians tell us to do.
by BTLove on Jan 24, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We voted for them.
Beauty of democracy. If the President asked Congress, and they agreed, then there would have to be a good reason.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a lot of faith in gov't...
I always thought that one of the key conservative principals was a severe distrust of government.
by BTLove on Jan 24, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a trusting person in general.
I would rather have a few people in power though. As long as we have the ability to choose who they are and when they should step down. It’s annoying to have to go through hundreds to thousands of people to find out who’s responsible for messing up. I like how the go-to-war system works now, but it should be made clear through the media that Congress had to approve to declare war. It’s not just the President’s fault.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you like Baseball?
If you do, you do not want W. as Commish. He would bankrupt the MLB and then try and blame it on Bud Selig.
No thanks, there must be someone who is actually qualified to take the position.
And no Condi should not be the NFL Commish either, the woman lies for a living.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 20, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please try to explain to me how any of the policies that W. had a major part in creating could possibly be brought over to baseball.
Esp. in a way that would be bad. The only bad thing would be a more capitalistic approach, meaning possibly removing the profit sharing. And the only bad part of that would be the Yankees would be harder to take down because they would get more of their investment returned. But, it would force the other clubs would be forced to take a more cost-effective approach, while also making them more willing to spend if they want fans to keep pouring money into their wallets. So, basically, he would push us towards parity between teams and encourage capitalism in one of the most media-exposed businesses in the world. Tell me how that would be bad.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think...
that removing the profit sharing would be good for baseball? I was an econ major so I’m all about the free market, but not in this case. The success of the MLB depends directly on team’s ability to compete. If the Yankees were able to dominate every year it would erode interest in the game and result in decreased revenues for every team, even the Yankees. MLB would undoubtedly be more successful as a whole by putting teams on an even playing field, but developing new fans in Kansas City and Pittsburg. This would help every team. In effect this league should be a little communist. The success of each team economically is directly tied to each team’s ability to produce a compelling product.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See now, here's the thing:
Notice how the Yankee’s haven’t won since 2000? And that most teams are moving towards a more stats-oriented approach? Seems like we could remove the profit sharing and make it a challenge for the rest of baseball to take down the Evil Empire. Even allow teams to do insider trading, work against the enemy. And most teams have plenty of money to invest in necessary FA, but don’t want to invest the money out of fear that it won’t be returned by the fans – the same people are causing fear among banks who don’t want to loan money, even to historically reliable people.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A league that consists of one absurdly dominating team against all others is much less compelling than a league with a bunch of very good teams duking it out. Right now thats what we have in the AL East and its awesome. Its the most fun division to watch in baseball because of the parity. We want more of this in baseball.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it would come to exist in all of baseball if more people thought along the lines of this:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/1/20/684880/non-linear-cost-per-win-an#comments
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Videocameras in the restrooms at stadiums would be somewhat disconcerting.
Though I might actually get behind Cheney shooting Bob Watson in the face.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't thought of that.
But, if it cuts down on the guys who carve “Bob was here” on EVERY F’N STALL, I’m for it. Just place a censor spot in the area where any innappropriate body parts would be hanging out. And warn fans to be a little conservative while in public.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Or is this a joke?
Are you actually going to take W. side and defend his administration’s incompetence in a theoretical “what if” joke?
I would think the fact that W. had a surplus when he took office in 2000 and now our country is on the brink of financial ruin might be a simply comparison that can help people speculate on his tenure as MLB Commish.
There are still people who defend this guy? Cracks me up.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that he had to waste tons of money to deal with an opposing Congress?
And you are still saying that because he didn’t succeed at a much more difficult job, that he would fail at a largely unrelated, much easier job.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An opposing congress for two whole years!
by beantownboy171 on Jan 21, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Congress is slow, but not that slow.
Esp. in the days following a terrorist attack. You’d be surprised by how much stuff gets done, even with nearly even Congress.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clinton
Faced a Republican Congress too and he ended up balancing the budget. Plus Bush only had an opposing Congress for 1/4 of his term.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he didn't do as much to balance the budget as Congress did.
And that fourth of his term was the most important.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But his fellow Dems didn't want to blaance it, it was the opposition that wanted to balance it.
The Bush’s are big government republicans. People with more Libertarian tendencies, like me, absolutely despise them.
by BTLove on Jan 21, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I don't like him either, and did not agree with ALL of his policies.
But he wasn’t all bad. And this whole thread was supposed to be a baseball only discussion.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Republicans
controlled congress for 6 years LOL, please stop….
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he had most of America with him during that time, too:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want that clown
To be in anyway involved in the game I love. I’d like the commissioner of baseball to have basic grammatical skills, a somewhat decent understanding of economics, and the ability to connect to the average fan. Whether or not you agree with Bush’s policies, it cannot be debated that he was and is an incredibly unpopular person, and I think making an incredibly unpopular person the leader of the sport would only hurt baseball’s popularity, something that cannot happen in these tough economic times if the industry is to continue at anything close to its current strength.
by Gnick on Jan 20, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hey, at least he didn't butcher the one thing that defines the job he was about to take better than any other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAW2PrNuFqI
What does public speaking ability have to do with his possible effectiveness as Commissioner? And Selig speaks pretty clearly (most of the time), has degrees in American History and Political Science (either of which would include substantial economics), and he was the owner of the Milwaukee Brewers before becoming the Commissioner.
Bush is unpopular because of the failure of the rest of the government and the country to support his decisions. People who would cary a grudge about him if he became the Commissioner of Baseball need to learn to separate politics from the rest of their life. Baseball’s biggest issue with popularity is the lack of baseball in pop culture, short of fashion caps worn by people who couldn’t name the team whose logo they were applying to their head. Get baseball back in the minds of the youth in all areas of the world (as it is many less developed countries), and the sport will be fine. But that’s another story/rant.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, Roberts really screwed that up.
I guess most justices read it, he tried to do it from memory and blew it.
On another Bush-related subject, this video is pretty amazing.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously it was his fault.
I mean, he gave Obama the stop sign after execute, like he was signaling him to put emphasis on that word. Does that mean Obama is planning to clear out Gitmo quickly, or that Roberts was in on an assassination plot?
The vid? So what? It’s funny, huzzah! Maybe he’s a genius, but has trouble with basic communication skills because he thinks about other stuff all of the time. Ladies and Gentlemen, your 43rd President (counting Grover twice)!
And I mean Grover Cleveland, not this Grover:
I mean, he’s not even the counting character – that’d be The Count.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're young
but surely you’ve seen Animal House, right? Or a court show where someone promises to tell the truth?
Every oath ever always starts with “I (state your name).” It’s the most important part. Roberts rushed right into the second sentence, talking over Obama as he said his name. Killed the intro.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 20, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But Obama, who has been praised for his speaking ability, didn’t really recover too well.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, everyone else has repeated this for the first line:
“I, (full name), do solemnly swear…”
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
This isn’t so much about public speaking, and more about the words required by the Constitution to transfer power from the sitting President (or, more accurately, the existential vacuum in which power resided at that point, as the ceremony ran late, and Bush was not constitutionally able to retain the power past 12:00 AM EST on 1/20/09) to the President-Elect.
It was actually legally important that the exact words get spoken. My feeling, in terms of protocol, is that it was incumbent upon Roberts to ensure that the President-Elect have the oath presented on the tempo that he felt was appropriate (Roberts being a vital functionary, but merely a functionary). That said, both individuals were mindful of the underlying importance of the exchange, and ensured that the oath was actually taken as written.
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, hopefully, no one tries to challenge Obama's authority because of a misspoken oath.
I disagree with the man on a fundamental level, but if he create a one-pick draft and sent me to war, I’d follow his orders as an American should.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ditto.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it funny that the two people who are supporting Bush...
are both from the South? Maybe Obama’s a good thing – we’ll retreat, the terrorists come over, the good ol’ boys grab their beer and a shotgun and scream to the Mrs. they’ll be back be supper. (Sorry for the stereotype, but I was thinking of my neighbors in Valdosta, GA)
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys would have a fuckin surprise if you knew who are the terrorists
If some people knew that Ariel Sharon was the biggest fucking terrorist ever, they wouldn’t go on a blind and dumb hate against the Palestinian. The WTC thing wouldn’t have happened if America wasn’t supporting this bullshit all along, even so, far more ‘terrorist’ people have died since. 2,974 dead people don’t mean much when it’s not close to you, I guess.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 20, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That came out a bit wrong
I don’t support the 9/11 attacks, or anything like that. I just don’t think we should take it like it was random, as if some guys woke up one day and decided to just fuck up a country. My point is that America’s government was a bit responsible for what happened, and it’s a shame what we have done in Israel since 1947 or so.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if we were a bit responsible, we are still not supposed to take terrorist attacks lying down.
The victims of 9/11 should not have to have died in vain. We screwed up in that part of the world, and we have a duty to fix it as the most powerful force on earth.
And I am close with several people affected by the attacks, and my dad’s in the military, as are most of my male cousins. Both of my grandfather’s served, and my dad’s father got shot down in ‘Nam. So don’t accuse me of not being close to people who have lost loved ones to evil.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not accusing you of anything
Just don’t think the terrorists attacks were random, and don’t think that less people die in vain over there.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then.
I realize that not every leader has made the best decisions, but we can’t let them come back to bite us and not do anything about it, or the same people will continue to provoke us until they get the reaction they want. And the school counselor advice of “ignore them and they’ll get bored” doesn’t work because they are doing it because of fundamental differences.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's war now
And I really do hope that Obama don’t try to go Rambo on Iran at some point, because if he does we’re all fucked and we could see the WWIII.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't gotten films from the early 90's yet?
Because that was WWIV. France doesn’t have to surrender every time you know.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops:
42nd President, if counting Grover twice. My bad, I switched to counting him twice and forgot to change the number.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
“Bush is unpopular because of the failure of the rest of the government and the country to support his decisions.”
So bringing this back to baseball, Lugo is unpopular because the fans don’t support him? I am trying to find an analogy & can’t really bc your comment is ludicrous. No insult intended but there has to be some personal responsibility & accountability.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 20, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
An analogy suggestion...
I’m also unpopular because when I climbed on top of a taxi in a traffic jam wearing only a soiled diaper on my head (my “crown imperial”) and wielding a lone 2002 Thunderstick (my “scepter of office”) and proclaimed myself emperor of the known universe, the masses – rather than heeding my imperial commands – locked me in a nuthouse. It’s really my disloyal subjects faults…
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 20, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, MassGal, but I don't think there's going to be much more baseball on this thread.
But no, the more appropriate analogy would be if Theo tried to use Bill James and sabermetrics, but Tito and the coaching staff didn’t put in players based on those stats, and the team lost 100 games.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Bush is unpopular because of the failure of the rest of the government and the country to support his decisions.”
Yes, Bush’s problem was that the US people failed to understand and execute his vision for the world….WOW, I guess that is one interpretation of the last 8 years. Do you work for Fox?
George W. Bush is not only the worst President in our country’s history, he is one of the worst leaders ever to take power.
by SoxAcumen on Jan 21, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Maybe because we had a Democratic 107th Congress (01-03), and have had one for the past two years (110th Congress)? That would be an uncooperative branch that had control of the majority of the decisions (Don’t bring up checks and balances, Congress still has way more power).
The American people have never fully supported him, even when he WON BOTH elections. If people really had a big problem with him, they would’ve done more to get Gore or Kerry in.
You’ll see in the next four years that the Right, even though we don’t like Obama or his choices, will follow his lead. He’s still the President, and he deserves your respect. You can’t get elected if you’re really a moron, because you can’t get nearly enough people to follow you.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is nonsense
People in America did follow Bush’s decisions, they had no choice but to do anything else. Sure people complained, but that didn’t actually change anything.
What is saying “even though we don’t like Obama or his choices, will follow his lead” supposed to mean? Are you implying that Democrats were different for Bush? Like Democrats didn’t follow the changes in income tax and just didn’t pay? Or that when Bush started the war in Iraq Democrats just kept acting like there wasn’t a war going on? Or that if someone was wiretapped they just said “no, I don’t want to be wiretapped”, and the whole thing ended? The truth is: Democrats followed all of Bush’s decisions because they had to, as Republicans will have to with Obama.
by Gnick on Jan 21, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean the kids who complained about being sent to war.
If they didn’t like it, then they should’ve left the country.They would have been cowards, but they were probably already viewed as such.
Also, the Congressmen and women who voted against measures that were created for their own safety.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're taking a few people
Any applying them to generalize an entire population. That is akin to you going to one baseball game, see Pujols go 0-5, and conclude that he sucks.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he ever done that?
And I could go on for a long time about the anarchists, whose numbers definitely rose.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the fact that the amount of anarchists, to a level that is still incredibly tiny within the context of American political affiliations, shows that Democrats are unwilling to do what the President says?
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are the furthest left you can get.
And the mentality is incredibly prevalent among youth. Unfortunately, less people are trying to teach them otherwise.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anarchists don't vote
by definition.
They’re pretty much ineffectual intellectuals and directionless kids.
Now the rightwing nuts are the scary ones – McVeigh, David Duke, Ann Coulter, etc.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they wouldn't be voting since they're not old enough.
But a person who believes that no one should govern them is a person who doesn’t know what evil humans are capable of.
And, while those people are scary, several of them could be diagnosed with mental conditions, as could several anarchists. But, I believe that if you can trust a person enough to lead the military, they should be given more power so that they can execute their plan to a better extent.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Chris McCandless was an insane anarchist?
He didn’t believe in government at all, yet he was undeniably an extremely intelligent person.
Regardless, your original point was that Democrats somehow didn’t comply with Bush’s policies. As evidenced by anarchists? Which still doesn’t make sense because anarchists may not believe in government but they still legally have to abide by it. It’s not like Bush decided to change taxes and million of Democrats just said nope and didn’t pay them and then got away with it.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because hiking into Alaskan wilderness thinking you'd survive without enough food is GENIUS.
Maybe the people who started complaining about the Patriot Act? If you don’t want to get in trouble, don’t do illegal stuff.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, for a minute I thought I was on HuffPo or Daily Kos
Politics aside, I do not forgive Bush for opposing the wild card when he was at the Rangers helm. Had he gotten his way, 2004 for us Sox fans might have been very, very sad.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 20, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Didn’t know that. Maybe I need to do a bit of research about his baseball background.
I think I’m done for the night. Teenage politicians have the huge disadvantage of not controlling when a lengthy argument ends. I’ll be back tomorrow, assuming this post hasn’t been deleted. Everyone stock up on sources and info, and we’ll resume. I’ll try to respond early to anything posted after I leave.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 20, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was opposed to it, too.
As well as Interleague.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the opposition?
hum a few bars of why you were opposed if you don’t mind? I really didn’t give either concept ay thought but was happy when the Sox won the wild card so I would be interested in why the opposition existed ( or exists still).
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Jan 20, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant was that now I agree with them.
Hindsight is 20/20.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 20, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the opposition was that...
it might devalue the regular season. But I like the WC, so I won;t make that argument.
by BTLove on Jan 20, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, at the time I thought it was getting too easy to reach the playoffs.
I thought eventually baseball was going to be like the NBA, where half the league makes the playoffs. But it has worked very, very well.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THE WORST FUCKING THREAD I HAVE EVER SEEN ON THE INTERNET.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Jan 21, 2009 3:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
(apart from every thread ever on NYYFans, of course)
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Jan 21, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While agreeing with you discontent...
… I envy the relatively unsullied nature of your internet experience. ;-)
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2009 4:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh heh… well it’s the worst thread I’ve read so far today.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Jan 21, 2009 4:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse than the Salma Hayek one?
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That thread had... upside.
This thread makes me go to a very dark and very sad place.
I think you’d call this thread the morning after the night before…
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
yeah that thread had not one but two pictures of salma hayek.
The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble
by DirtySouthSox on Jan 21, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd be a liberal in America I guess.
You don’t have to read it. I asked fishfamr to put [politics] in the headline to keep people alert of what they’re about to read.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, people, 40 new comments?
How the hell do you expect me to do my homework if I had to read, respond, and prepare for a rebuttal on most of them?
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bush as Comissioner is a valid candidate
He has been mentioned before. I did not want this to get into a political debate, Just who might be the next commish. And he is a top runner, regardless of whether we like him or not. and Selig does look like Slugworth.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
by fishfarmr on Jan 21, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Create a new thread with a rule that if politics is mentioned, you delete and repost it.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are sheep
Just for the record, we have an illusion of freedom and choice. We have the dogs on the right barking at us and the dogs on the left barking at us. We are going right down the path they want us to. And they are completely working together. we are all sheep, at least we wear a B on our hat.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
by fishfarmr on Jan 21, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, the conspiracy theories had to stop at the Obama/Kennedy/Lincoln comparison.
Don’t go anarchist on us.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't agreed with fishfarmr much
But I do agree that the american population is just following whatever we’re fed by the media and lying politicians (sorry that’s what they are, both sides), and until the majority of us start thinking for ourselves the responsibility of choosing our leader should be taken out of our hands. I’m not a political guy and try to avoid political speak, but this past election was nothing more than an American Idol contest with a political backdrop. I believe supporting your starting pitcher (Obama now) no matter what your opinion of the guy is, but I do not understand why a guy, who said four years ago that he was not qualified to be the president of the United States, can somehow start campaiging for the position two years later. I guess the job isn’t that tough if you can learn everything you need to know in 2 years.
I coached high school swimming and too many high school/college kids were too excited about their first chance to vote and have no concept of what “change” really means because (and no offense is meant by this) an 18 year old voting for the first time was 10 when Bush was elected. They have nothing to base they’re political beliefs on other than what their parents or the media tells them, and the majority of the people were telling them we needed “change” and that “change” basically meant…no more republicans in office. Any high schoolers/college kids out there may very well know more about politics than I do, this is just my stance on politics and this past election as a whole.
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 22, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't punish the masses for the sins of a few.
Implement a government structure comprehension test. It’s sad when new citizens are required to know more. I guess that goes with my disinterest in a person’s race or ethnic background.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Support?
You should respect your president, but support or “hopes he does well” is crazy. If you don’t like what a specific party stands for, how can you support or wish success? You can disagree civilly. The left sure didn’t “support Bush” , I understand, but the way they went about it was wrong. Guess what, its the rights turn to dissent. Hopefully they do it with more class. I have my doubts though..
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
by fishfarmr on Jan 22, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As in, if he pulled out of the Middle East, we aren't going to form mobs and try to keep the planes from landing.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want him to do well in the things that won’t negatively affect me…does that work better?
Either way I’m not screaming that I’m going to move to a different country if someone I dislike gets elected like many celebs did when W got his second term. Especially since all those celebs stayed and just bitched about it instead. frustrating.
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 26, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could go to Disney World and declare myself my own country...
Instead of moving.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 27, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this gets to 250 comments, I'll make a new FanPost with a summary of everyone's stated beliefs.
Titled “POLITICS ONLY”
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That would be hilarious
No one has even talked about the next commissioner. But maybe I should have put “Bill Clinton the next commisioner?”
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
by fishfarmr on Jan 21, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry.
And I would have posted a bazillion picks of ketchup bottles.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 21, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best about Kerry was a thing Letterman did called "John Kerry lies"
With the at time candidate saying “Cleveland rocks!”. It was for sure the best thing about those elections.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 21, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry for commish?
If we’re going to say the president needs to have basic grammar skills, I would require the commish of baseball to have basic athletic skills:
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 22, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Because we all remember Bud Selig and his .314 career eqa.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EQA?
You trying to confuse us common folk? And I can’t see him stealing bases.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Selig sucks.
And Kerry said his favorite Red Sox was Manny Ortiz.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Made it, but got a bad reaction.
Deleted. But, for the record, of the six options I put up in a poll to est. which side had the majority, Far Left was the only choice w/o a vote. All other options had one vote each, including Democrat, Mod, Republican, Far Right, and “Prefer not to answer.”
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't that show you had bad Bush was
Everyone is bashing him even though no one identifies as “Far Left”. Meaning that people who are normally close to being moderates hate him.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone remind who the President is again?
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're damn right!
Rock me, sexy Jesus...
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 22, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats, he won a popularity contest.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's called democracy.
And he one fair and square. You’re probably too young to remember that happening before.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers are verbs?
And I can remember Clinton > Dole. And Bush > Kerry.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Bush > Gore, which was won fair and square.
Don’t complain about the system if you had the option to fix it beforehand and didn’t.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't you three in 1996?
If by “fair and square,” you mean having your brother’s lackey throw the election in your favor, than ya, i guess you’re right.
As for 2004, Bush won cause Blackwell disenfranchised 350,000 voters.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get started on either Bush election
There are books that could be written about the corruption there.
Do you live in inner-city Cleveland? Are you black? If you answered yes to both these questions then fuck you.
by Gnick on Jan 22, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping that last bit is sarcasm based on the Acorn thing.
Can you prove that the people that they registered to vote weren’t payed to vote for either candidate? Or told things about either politician that aren’t true, or at least wouldn’t be said by the opposition? Then I would be less mad about it.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
You’ve lost me on “told things about either politician that aren’t true”, you had something like a point before that. Actually, nevermind about that.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 23, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did they tell them that one of the candidates would get them lots of money...
is what I meant. It was hard to word that sentence correctly.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 25, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if you don't like the way that politics is done, fix it.
Don’t just complain.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a poll-watcher in '04 and '08.
Trust me, talking to crazies (insert smiley face here) on blogs isn’t the extent of my political activity.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 24, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean get support to change it, organize rallies, get your elected leaders to notice.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want the baseball season to hurry up and start
:(
Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.
by DougieWentDeep on Jan 22, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Getting tired of arguing on the web.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The most awesome thing in this thread.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jan 22, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You don't like politics?
And the government wonders why having multiple CSPANS is costing them money. Esp. when one is always footage from like 10 years ago.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 22, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments like this are why this thread sucks.
It took me about 10 seconds to find out how C-SPAN is funded. Google “C-SPAN.”
http://www.c-span.org/About/Default.aspx
There’s a helpful video that explains how it’s funded. Which is by cable / satellite companies, not the government.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jan 22, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Hmm. I could have sworn that C-SPAN was gov’t funded. Maybe it was something else then…
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Really. You are wrong.
You will find this to be a common occurrence when you make claims without doing any research.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Jan 24, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had read in multiple places about a government funded network that was barely ever watched.
I had assumed it was C-SPAN. My bad, I made myself an ass.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty awesome.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 22, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I spent an hour and a half watching Kevin Smith last night.
I had no idea.
I mean, I love his movies (mostly), but his take on religion, Prince, Tim Burton, etc. is frickin hilarious.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jan 24, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm ready to drop the political discussion.
It gets kinda tiring…
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 23, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How the hell did this thread get 339 comments?
by Randy Booth on Jan 24, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Politics does that.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 24, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People hate Bush a lot
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 24, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I tried to defend my views.
Which created a cycle.
For those children who claimed they’ve been a fan of their favorite team all their life, or even since they were about four or five years old: bullshit. There’s always that certain event or certain player that draws to the sport and draws you to a team. For me, Nomar Garciaparra was that reason. - Nick Coviello: I Try To See Rocco, But All I Think Is Nomar; 1/9/09
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 25, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Selig is a muppet.
“W” – He seems to be more interested in baseball than world events. Go ahead, let him run the game. He could be the uber-muppet. When I hear Selig speak, I’m as unimpressed as when I heard “W” speak. Seems to me that the role of commissioner doesn’t require our best and brightest.
" PLEASE! CHANGE THE PATCH! "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Jan 26, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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