Sox pitchers and FIP
FIP is a metric by which pitchers are judged based on how they pitch. Luck, defense, etc. are intended to be eliminated by the use of this metric. It takes into account how well a pitcher strikes out hitters, controls walks, etc. It is roughly analogous to ERA, though a better measure of how a pitcher is throwing.
Sox Starters, Descending order by FIP:
Justin Masterson: 5.16 FIP v. 3.61 ERA
Tim Wakefield: 4.85 FIP v. 3.77 ERA
Bartolo Colon: 4.45 FIP v. 4.09 ERA
Clay Buchholz: 4.18 FIP v. 5.94 ERA
Daisuke Matsuzaka: 4.18 FIP v. 3.04 ERA
Jon Lester: 3.57 FIP v. 3.14 ERA
Josh Beckett: 3.39 FIP v. 4.15 ERA
Comments:
Beckett and Buch have been unlucky. Beckett's 4.7 K/BB should give him a leg up on the competition, but he's been allowing more HRs than he should be (1.09/9 IP) and his BABIP has been a bit higher (.324) than average (approx. .290-.300). I feel like even Buch's FIP is a bit low. He's been unlucky, but he also hasn't been great. He has, however, been better in terms of K/BB (1.91) than lucky Daisuke (1.47). This reinforced my feeling that Daisuke has actually been the harder one to watch on the mound. His % of runners LOB is about 10 higher than the league-average, and that walk rate (5.4 per 9) is downright scary. That particular house of cards could come crashing down any day now.
Masterson has also been very lucky. He's got similar problems to Daisuke, in that his LOB% is probably unsustainable. His HR rate is high, his BABIP is low (.232), and his K/BB makes me want to vomit (1.62). However, he's definitely still young, figuring it out, and his ability to get GBs has helped him out of jams. (I put him in the starter column, as the great majority of his innings are in that role)
Few pitchers match their FIP exactly, and Colon and Lester are good examples of pitchers who have been close enough to their FIP to not be deemed flukes in some way. Lester's FIP indicates that he's been a high-quality starter this season. And what have our eyes and traditional statistics told us? The same thing. Colon has looked like a league-average starter who's was reliable for us when pitching. His FIP indicates the same thing. By just the starters, Colon's K/BB is second-best among his teammates. Lester is actually 9th among 43 qualified AL starters in FIP.
Wakefield is the breaker of all rules, and to try to pin him down based on his FIP is probably pretty foolish. There are no comparisons for him, really. I'd say he might be a bit lucky, but to assume that in reality he's a 4.85 run pitcher seems wrong as well.
Sox Relievers, Descending order by FIP:
Mike Timlin: 4.41 FIP v. 5.34 ERA
Javy Lopez: 4.25 FIP v. 2.51 ERA
Hideki Okajima: 4.01 FIP v. 2.66 ERA
David Aardsma: 3.44 FIP v. 2.75 ERA
Manny Delcarmen: 3.34 FIP v. 4.05 ERA
Jonathan Papelbon: 1.94 FIP v. 2.05 ERA
Comments:
Paps is awesome. His FIP is actually better than last season, despite seeming more human than ever in the last two years. His K/BB is a strong 8.14, and he's done a better job keeping the ball in the park. MDC, similarly, has improved on his FIP from last season (3.85) by also doing a better job keeping the ball in the park and improving his walk rate.
Oki? Well, the feeling that he would be something between last season and his horrendous start to this one is probably correct. I don't know that he's ever going to get back to how good he was last season; he was phenomenal. His BABIP (.294) is about right/average, and it has produced a somewhat predictable 1.34 WHIP. Surprisingly enough, his LOB% is higher than last season, which should shock most who've seen him let inherited runner after inherited runner score in tough situations this year.
Javy kind of sucks. I don't know how else to put it. 1.33 K/BB and a probably unsustainable LOB% of his own. Timlin, somewhat surprisingly, hasn't sucked as much as we might believe. To my own eyes, he's certainly pitched a lot better as of late, and could be more trustworthy than some (Lopez) in situations. Aardsma is kind of the enigma. His stunning ability to walk a lot of people made me believe his FIP would be higher than it is, but I suppose his second-best on the Sox K-rate (9.38/9 IP) has helped with that. He's also been very stingy with the longball, best on the Sox staff in that department. We'll see how it goes, but he's certainly worth keeping around for next season.
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What about
groudball pitchers?? FIP is a good statistical measurement but it doesn’t accurately portray ground ball pitchers. It seems quite apparent with Wake and Masterson. It does show how much Dice-K is sucking though.
by drabidea on Aug 5, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Wake
is the only real anomaly here. The truth of the matter on Masterson is that he’s not K’ing enough guys versus the amount of walks he’s letting up, and his HR rate is cause for concern. He should improve, and it might be a bit high, but his FIP seems a fairly reasonable indicator of just how well he has pitched to this point.
The only thing he may have a bit better handle on than others is that % of runners LOB, due to his ability to get GBs. But even then, the dongs and the walks are hard to ignore as indicators of, well, a pitcher getting his first taste of the big leagues.
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by Allen Chace on Aug 5, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Thanks for your work on this. My two cents:
No surprise – Beckett, Lester and Dice-K being 1-2-3. On this rating system, Buchholz seems rated a bit high. I still wonder if he would have been better off with a full year in Pawtucket, but I have to trust Francona/Ferrell on that one. Obviously, he wouldn’t have pitched with a healthy Schilling. Clay’s numbers here may be decent but he’s still giving up about 6 earned runs a game and too many hits per inning, which is anything but impressive. He seems to get rattled too easily, as he did again last night.
Boy, I agree about Aardsma being an enigma, even if I didn’t know one stat on him. Just watching him fire it in at 97 mph blows me away at times and I think this guy is untouchable. Then…..a few walks, a hit or two, and he’s toast. What’s the deal with this guy?
Okijima, for the most part, seems to have lost his magic but he’s looked a bit better in the last week or two, giving me hope. Unable, for most of the year, to set the table for Pap, he’s killed us, frankly. That goes for MDC, too, although he seems to be rounding back into form lately, too. Still – I felt a lot more comfortable with those two last year.
Timlin and Lopez should go the way of Hansen…..out the door…..before next season. Lopez might stay only because LOOGYs are so hard to find, it seems. I wish I knew (and so do the Sox) what kind of pitcher Oki will be next year, but he’s lost my trust.
Matsusaka is another guy that puzzles people. With a year under his belt to get acclimated to the culture and MLB, he was expected to be much better. Sox fans know that his W-L record has been deceiving all year. Word has it his fastball isn’t good enough to blow it by M:B hitters, which he could do in Japan. He knows this, and as a consequence, he nibbles and nibbles, and by the fifth inning, he’s thrown 100 pitches and given us all another ulcer. He is brutal to watch.
On the positive side, I questioin whether Masterson has been “lucky.” For most of his starts, the man did the job. I’m still not sure we’d be better off with him as a starter or reliever. Frankly, at this point, I’d rather see him start than Buchholz but, once again, I have to trust that Tito knows what’s best.
I don’t live in the Boston area so I don’t get all the “inside news.” Why is Beckett being hit hard this season? Is it the back problem that sidelined him the first month? He is so good, that I’m always shocked when he gets rocked. I still think he’s THE MAN.
With all Boston has had to contend with this year (an unfair, brutal schedule, injuries, a star tanking games and causing dissension, big Papi not delivering most of the time, and a bunch of other players who had better years last year…...we’re still in the hunt, but I don’t have the confidence we’ll be in the post season I had last year. Then again, I’m the nervous type!!
I know one thing: we better learn to start playing better on the road.
by ccthemovieman on Aug 5, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am dumb.
And forgot to link to fangraphs which is where I got all of this handy information.
It’s an excellent site.
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by Allen Chace on Aug 5, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, AC.
I agree with 90% of what you wrote, with this exception: I don’t think Beckett or Buchholz have been unlucky. I think they just are pitching poorly.
From what I’ve observed since his return from Pawtucket, Buchholz has shown very poor command, particularly with the fastball. He’ll miss his spots and get crushed, or he’ll miss the zone and walk a batter. He also seems very prone to the “one big inning,” where a couple walks / hits completely destroy his composure. In contrast, Daisuke is throwing crazy breaking stuff and good fastballs, baffling hitters – he’s being effectively wild. He doesn’t panic about loading the bases, considering how many times he’s worked his way out of that situation.
Beckett’s home run problem can’t be explained away as unlucky, because suppressing home runs is considered something a pitcher can control (like walks and Ks). And he’s had this problem in the past, most recently 2006 (36 HR). I hope Farrell is working with Beckett on this, because we need strong performances from him to reach the playoffs.
by 0157H7 on Aug 5, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Buch.
Though (and I should probably look this up later), my feeling is that a lot of the HRs off of Beckett this season have been cheapies. At any rate, while I agree that he’s not been quite up to par with how he pitched last season, some have been referring to him as a problem, or as someone who hasn’t been stepping up. The only pitcher for whom there can be made an argument that they are pitching better than Beckett is Jon Lester.
And yeah, Daisuke’s been effectively wild, but I’d prefer to see him get better with his control, as I have no doubt you would as well. I’m glad he’s good with bases loaded situations, but I’m really getting pretty f’n tired of having to watch him get into them.
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by Allen Chace on Aug 5, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see Dice-K
with plus command, shutting down opponents. He has the stuff to do so.
by 0157H7 on Aug 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just asking
How much influence do you think Schilling has on Beckett? Is Curt still dressing and in the dugout at all? It seems like I always saw he and Josh together talking all last season during the games. I just wonder if his absence has had any effect, if he isn’t there?
by ccthemovieman on Aug 5, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some, I think.
At least in that Schilling and Beckett are not entirely dissimilar as pitchers (though I suppose Beckett’s curve and Schill’s split are pretty different go-to pitches). They both attack hitters well and don’t allow many walks, however. I’d have to think that Schilling’s suggestions and observations have helped Beckett, but I can’t think that him being in the dugout more would have a profound effect on Beckett’s performances.
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by Allen Chace on Aug 5, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure about how unlucky Beckett is getting
He’s getting hit, a lot lately. His walks are down, and his K’s are up. Which means he’s leaving stuff on the zone all the time, and guys are hitting him. Maybe he should change a bit the approach. I’m not saying giving more walks, but pitching around some guys, and stop trying to overpower them all the time.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not to be snarky, but...
You’ve utilised the FIP metric, then spent a large part of the article explaining why its not accurate. With respect to BABIP, hr/9 and other things you point out, FIP is merely another metric that needs to be utilised along with other measurements.
With respect to Beckett, and other pitchers who serve up a high number of homers, the BABIP is always going to be high as homers simply have no chance of ever being fielded.
Dice-K is an enigma. A bit like Wang over at NY. No one thought he could continue to be successful with such a low K rate and yet he’s still producing(when not injured of course)
Dice-K is hard to watch, however I’ve learned not to panic when he walks 2 guys with 2 outs, he seems to have another level that he somehow gets to before the damage is too bad. My main concern with him is the high pitch counts, but it doesn’t seem to matter for him.
Lester has turned into gold. His stuff can be electric. Like Dice-K, he just need to throw more strikes IMHO. As he gets older, he’ll get more consistent…a future 20 game winner easy.
by sydneysox on Aug 5, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I did do that.
I talked about FIP, and BABIP, HR/9, K/BB are some of the factors affecting BABIP. The only person I feel the FIP doesn’t capture even close to correctly is Wakefield, because he’s completely a different animal.
At the very least I don’t feel like I contradicted myself too badly, maybe I did? I dunno. Part of the point for me was to point out how Beckett really hasn’t been that different from last season. The HR rate is the only significant difference, and as I said above, a lot of the ones hit against him this season have seemed to be of the cheapie variety. Another thing I wanted to do this for was to point out just how good Lester has been this season; it’s not like last season and the season before when a lot of his success was due to luck. He’s been legitimately excellent this season, and it needs to be recognized (more).
Re-reading this comment, I’ve realized I come off ridiculously defensive. Oh well. No hard feelings with you, syd, just don’t feel like I did bring FIP up and then completely trash it or anything.
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by Allen Chace on Aug 6, 2008 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mate
Never hard feelings, and I appreciate the stuff you guys do on this site. I suppose my point being is that you can’t just rely on one be all and end all stat, which you didn’t really. I didn’t really frame my argument well. If you notice sometimes my comments are a bit disjointed as I’m at work when the games are on so sometimes its between phone calls. Its why I never comment on the Friday and Saturday games…I’m at home with the wife and 5 kids and have NO time to follow a game on the web.
by sydneysox on Aug 6, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on all of your points, though your arguments are generally always coherent.
And wow. 5 kids. That’s amazing. (y’know, in the good way)
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by Allen Chace on Aug 7, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
We shouldn’t panic. Statistically across the board we still have the best overall team.
As pointed out above, we just need to put some road wins together. Have you guys checked our schedule compared to both NY and Tampa? We have more home games left, more road games against poorer opposition and NY has to play the Angels another 6 times. Also, if we can get through August in good shape then we should rock, our schedule in Sept. is about 75% home games.(I’m too lazy to look up the exact numbers)
by sydneysox on Aug 5, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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