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Good Trade? Let's wait and see.

Just to be clear, I wasn't an opponent of the trade.

Sure, I'm going to miss Manny Ramirez pretty terribly, as I think most of us will. Whatever reports came out about his behavior, or phone calls, or anything else, Manny helped us immensely to two World Series wins in his time in Boston. There's nothing to really replace that, and most of his antics were of the entertaining, pain-free variety.

But we're in a new era now. I'd hesitate to call it the Jason Bay era, but it's definitely the no-Manny era. And one of the benefits of the trade (aside from acquiring a more than capable replacement) is going to be extra $$ to use if we want to in the offseason. And to some degree, we might need to wait until then to decide just how the trade went for the Sox. If that $$ (along with other $$ coming off the books, including Curt Schilling) is used towards someone who can help the Sox in a big way, then I'll be satisfied, as I'm sure most of you will as well.

So who're some of the big names available, in spots where we could use help? After all, we're pretty set at LF, RF, 1B, 2B, 3B and CL for at least the next season. CF is probably locked down as well, in addition to SS for better (Lowrie) or worse (Lugo?) So that leaves bullpen and starting pitching, with only one RP option seeming anything near desirable.

Brandon Lyon. 2008: 1.237 WHIP, 33 Ks in 43 2/3 IP

Don't look at me. I said "near" desirable. Lyon is not a classic power bullpen arm: he pitches to contact and doesn't exactly strike out a batter per inning. However, since he left the Sox (and I suppose one could make the connection: since he left the AL), he's been decent with his control and has forced hitters to beat him. Anyone who knows me knows that I've been pissed as hell this season about our RPs propensity to, if not walk a lot of guys, at least gift wrap 3-0 and 3-1 counts for hitters. This makes Lyon of at least marginal interest to me. Unfortunately, he's been the default closer for the D-Backs, and he'll no doubt be overrated because of his accumulation of (to date) 24 saves. However, if he's passed over enough, I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox sign him.

CC Sabathia. 2008: 1.157 WHIP, 166 Ks in 170 1/3 IP

The crown jewel of the 2008 free agent class, Sabathia will no doubt be sought after by most every team with the $$ to sign him. And the Sox do already have Beckett, Dice-BB, Lester, Buch?, and Wake? as possibilities/probables for the rotation next season. But I'll counter that thought with this quote: "Can it be considered an embarrassment of riches if I'm not embarrassed?"

Ben Sheets. 2008: 1.189 WHIP, 123 Ks in 146 1/3 IP

The risk-taking GM might get himself a gem in Sheets this offseason. I have no doubt that his injury history will scare some teams off, and he'll no doubt not be able to command a commitment beyond 3-4 years. When healthy, he's ace-quality. You'd have to think a team with SP depth in the minors will make a significant overture as soon as FA begins. Could it be the Sox?

Brad Penny. 2008: 1.599 WHIP, 47 Ks in 85 2/3 IP

Penny's season has been injury-filled, and those numbers above don't quite represent the pitcher he is. I have doubts that he'd translate to being an ace-quality pitcher in the AL East, but he could be a good #2-type, and his price could be low based upon the year he's had in 2008. Intriguing, if not entirely appetizing.

A.J. Burnett. 2008: 1.437 WHIP, 153 Ks in 151 2/3 IP

Burnett may or may not be a FA, and if he becomes one we may not want to go anywhere close. He'll only opt-out if he feels it would be to his financial advantage, and he's already due $36M over the next three seasons to complete a $55M contract. However, after an up-and-down season (the 1.437 WHIP isn't exactly typical) he could opt out, go somewhere to build value for a season, then look for another big contract after the 2009 season. Consider me semi-interested if that were the case.

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Any ideas  of your own of how to spend the extra $$? No doubt, some of it will go to a catcher (Tek or otherwise), but the Sox could definitely be big-time players in FA, and these are the type of guys we might spend that money on IMHO. I left some players off intentionally for different reasons related to signability/desirability, but I'm of course interested to see other suggestions than the ones I've listed above.

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pitching.

You can never have enough pitching. I’d much prefer someone who has thrown in the AL before, it does make a difference. Unless a Webb or Peavy is available, then you need to look at a proven AL performer. And of course SS and catcher. As much as I like Tek, he’s cooked. He’s pretty much just a 90-100 game a season guy now and you need some kid that can step in within the next year or two at the latest.
As for your suggestions above, and inspite of my AL experience preferance, I reckon Sheets might be worth persuing. As you stated, when healthy he’s be solid #2 or #3 in a good AL staff.

by sydneysox on Aug 4, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Sheets would pretty much translate to still being a #1ish over in the AL.

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by Allen Chace on Aug 4, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair call.

I did qualify it though and said in a “good AL staff”. Like ours for instance or the Angels. On most AL teams he’d be a #1. How much extra cash are we talking about? I figure Schillings money, Mannys extra and is Tek off contract? So there’s some extra cash. What do you reckon, $25mil?

by sydneysox on Aug 4, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tek's contract is up, yes.

Figure $20M (sort of) from Manny minus $7.5M for Bay plus $8M (Schilling) makes $20.5M. Timlin’s contract will be off the books ($3M) Cora’s ($2M), ‘Tek’s ($9M). Approximately $34.5M. There will of course be raises for guys like Youks, DP, Lester, etc, and then a catcher will no doubt be signed or traded for, but we could still be looking at about $20M to spend in the offseason, if the FO wants a player badly enough.

(Based on Cot’s contracts, and this is kind of “napkin math” rather than anything too scientific)

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by Allen Chace on Aug 4, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd pass on Sheets

Due to the likely cost ($15+ million) and his injury history. He hasn’t thrown 200+ innings since 2004.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Aug 4, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still

Regardless of your methodology, it’s accurate enough for our purposes. $20 mil to spend is a nice chunk of change and really only production at c and ss have been our major issues. I’m convinced that the bullpen, especially middle relief, is a form of some dark art that no one has yet mastered from year to year(maybe the Angels…how ironic), so I can’t see us blowing a bunch of cash there.
And you never spend a bucketload of money on a long term contract for an aging catcher…hey Yankees, how’s that Posada contract working for you?
So starting pitching, ss or a young, expensive catcher is where the money will go.

by sydneysox on Aug 4, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see the Red Sox as looking to sign a major player unless they have to and really they don’t have too. With all their young talent most of the money will be used to sign some of those young players to longer term contracts. Besides they do not need to sign Sheets, Sabathia or Burnett. Sure they might use some on relief pitching but nothing of the major money type. I say reinvest the money in your young players and move forward.

As an Aside I Loved Manny and he was fun and funny to watch but I think both the Sox and Manny are better off now.

Jason Bay is one of my favorite fantasy players in the past and now he is a player I will watch everyday.

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by E5 on Aug 4, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have to

sign a young catcher. I was upset when we didn’t get one during this previous offseason. I will be even more upset if we don’t get one this offseason. In my opinion Catcher is the most important position on the field.

by drabidea on Aug 5, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better Relief pitching

especiailly a lefty, would be nice. I agree about Veritek – one more year, maxium so start looking NOW for his replacement. I wouldn’t object to seeing Sheets or any top pitcher. As sydneysox said, you can never have enough good pitching.

by ccthemovieman on Aug 4, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

K-Rod

K-Rod, K-Rod, Francisco Rodriquez

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by sox-inda-south on Aug 4, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

K-Rod?

Who is going to get demoted? Paps or K-Rod?

by SoxAcumen on Aug 5, 2008 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paps becomes starter, trade Buch, keep Masterson as middle-late relief.

Masterson throws too weird to keep up a starters’ pace in innings.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 5, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

the Sox could just take the money from K-Rod, sign CC, keep Paps as the closer and we all do not have to deal with K-Rod and his BS walk 3 batters, get 3 outs point to the sky as if anyone cares routine.

CC is a much better pitcher than K-Rod, why pay for a weaker pitching staff.

K-Rod is a Yankee and thats great bc they will not sign both CC and K-Rod.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

09 offseason

Will be about signing a big time arm and trading prospects to get a catcher.

Sabathia seems like the obvious choice, but 2 lefties in a rotation at Fenway does not seem plausible.

Buchholz does not seem to be progressing and the more I see him, the more I see Bronson Arroyo, moving him for a catcher this off season and then turning around and signing a big arm makes sense.

Also Yu Darvish is out there lurking and someone in the MLB will get him. There is no way that Nippon Ham will let that $$$$ payday go by. $100 million easy for the team.

by SoxAcumen on Aug 5, 2008 6:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First priority is catcher

As much as I love Tek, he just doesn’t hit enough anymore to be an every-day player. We need someone who can play 130 games and hit well.

Second priority, I think, is also catcher. We need a young guy who can be our catcher for the next dozen years. That’s probably a draft issue, though.

Beyond that, if Wake is coming back, I say focus on the bullpen and let Buch and Masterson duke it out for a rotation spot. If Wake retires, I’d prefer Sabathia over the other top free agents, but they love him in Milwaukee and I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

by RSNexile on Aug 5, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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