Edes: Manny wanted to stay in Boston

Manny Ramirez wanted to stay in Boston. (via d.yimg.com)
Gordon Edes apparently decided to go out with a bang.
The long-time Boston Globe writer is heading to Yahoo! to cover baseball (yesterday was his last day at the Globe), and his article today sort of dropped a bombshell: Manny Ramirez lobbied to stay with the Sox after hearing he was traded:
Within an hour after Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein informed Manny Ramírez he had been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers Thursday, Ramírez's agent, Scott Boras, called the Sox back, according to a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations. If the Sox dropped the option years on his contract - which they had agreed to do if they traded him - Boras said Ramírez would not be a problem the rest of the season.
For the Sox, the source said, Ramírez's pledge of good behavior only served as a tacit admission that his disruptive conduct of the last couple of weeks had been calculated, and they had had good cause to suspect more was in the offing if they did not trade him. The Sox told him thanks but no thanks, what was done was done, and pack plenty of sunscreen.
Maybe Manny wanted to push the Sox just enough to make his options dropped, but not have the Sox trade him. If that was his plan, he didn't do a very good job at executing it. I thought it was classy that Manny thanked the Red Sox fans. It was a nice way to go out for him, but apparently it was too early in Manny's mind...
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Manny (or Boras) is trying to make the FO look back
That’s effed up, he should let it go. If he didn’t want to be traded, then he shouldn’t have acted like an asshole.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 2, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs
Or make the fans looks back.
Which is equally f’d.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Aug 2, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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Yep
7 years or so wanting a trade, only to complain about it once he gets it? But I’m guessing this is all on Boras as well.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on
Aug 2, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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WTF?
What a child.
I blame Boras, 100%. He could have nipped this thing in the bud by making that phone call a week earlier.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 2, 2008 11:47 AM EDT 0 recs
This was a pretty crazy story.
The admission (more or less) that he was purposely not behaving himself was just ridiculous.
I knew he had some beefs with the Front Office, but this is f’n crazy.
I’ll miss him like crazy, but this just solidifies that it may have been time to move on.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Aug 2, 2008 12:14 PM EDT 0 recs
And Bay won me over with that sliding catch yesterday
I don’t even remember that dude Manny Rodriguez, or whatever was his name. :)
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on
Aug 2, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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Agreed
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Aug 2, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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thought ya got traded along with Manny...
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on
Aug 2, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Nope ... still here
Although, I’m thinking of hiring Scott Boras as my agent …
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Aug 2, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
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This just solidifies for me: keeping manny would not have been the end of the world. Manny didnt leave trashing all of the redsox. Manny wouldnt be the reason we miss the playoffs. This was a bad trade. We couldv put moss/hansen towards a middle reliever, gotten 2 draft picks from manny leaving, and had manny’s undeniably solid bat for the rest of the season.
That said
Its fun watching jason bay.
by spinz on Aug 2, 2008 2:00 PM EDT 0 recs
This way
we got way more for Manny. The likelihood of those two draft picks turning into two major league-quality players, let alone one on par with Jason Bay, is extremely low. Moss was never going to get playing time, and Hansen could take years to put it together, so it’s not like we traded top prospects.
by 0157H7 on
Aug 2, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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Yep.
In a sense we gave up a lot (two draft picks, Moss, and Hansen) but roll the dice on those prospects and I don’t think Hansen was ever going to pan out here completely. Moss would’ve been a nice piece to have around if he could become an average 1B defensively (filling the Sean Casey role next season while also backing up LF and RF), but he was never going to be a starter here. I’m glad he now has that chance in Pittsburgh.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on
Aug 2, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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Also on the draft picks.
If we just let Bay go after next season, we’d get draft picks for him.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Sox sign him to an extension in the offseason, assuming the transition isn’t too rocky for him.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on
Aug 2, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Agreed
It’s time to move on. Manny is gone. The Sox could have done a lot worse than Jason Bay. Boston is sitting in a playoff spot right now and things are looking pretty good. The Sox’ remaining August schdeule should help them get on a roll:
2 v. Oakland, 3 KC, 4 Chicago, 3 v. Texas, 3 v. Toronto, 3 Baltimore, 3 Toronto, 3 @ MFY, 3 v. Chicago.
That’s a lot better than what the MFY have:
2 v. LA, 4 Texas, 3 LA, 3 Minnesota, 3 v. KC, 3 Toronto, 3 @ Baltimore, 3 v. Sox, 3 v. Toronto.
They also have to make another trip out west in September, a month where they only play 3 home series.
Tampa’s remaining schdeule isn’t very nice either. In August, they get:
2 v. Detroit, 3 v. Cleveland, 4 Seattle, 3 Oakland, 3 Texas, 3 v. LA, 3 Chicago, 3 v. Toronto, 3 v. Baltimore.
They also only have 3 September series at home—and play the MFY 6 times, Boston 6 times, Minnesota 4 times, before closing the season with 4 in Detroit.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Aug 2, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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That came out strange
Let’s try this again …
Sox remaining schedule (Home games in bold):
2 – Oakland
3 – KC
off day
4 – Chicago
3 – Texas
3- Toronto
3 – Baltimore
off day
3 – Toronto
3 – MFY
3 – Chicago
3 – Baltimore
off day
3 – Texas
3 – Tampa
off day
3 – Toronto
3 – Tampa
off day
3 – Toronto
4 – Cleveland
3 – MFY
MFY:
2 – LA
4 – Texas
3 – LA
3 – Minnesota
off day
3 – KC
off day
3 – Toronto
3 – Baltimore
off day
3 – Red Sox
3 – Toronto
1 – Deroit (make-up game)
3 – Tampa
3 – Seattle
3 – LA
off day
3 – Tampa
4 – Chicago
3 – Baltimore
off day
3 – Toronto
3 – Red Sox
Tampa:
2 – Detroit
3 – Cleveland
4 – Seattle
off day
3 – Oakland
3 – Texas
3 – LA
off day
3 – Chicago
off day
3 – Toronto
3 – Baltimore
off day
3 – MFY
3 – Toronto
3 – Red Sox
off day
3 – MFY
3 – Red Sox
4 – Minnesota
4 – Baltimore
4 – Detroit
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Aug 2, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Now we know
in addition to sitting out two games when he healthy (and faking a knee injury), he now deliberately took three strikes down the middle in the ninth against the Yankees and Rivera. Baseball should look into that….but they’re gutless.
by ccthemovieman on Aug 2, 2008 2:33 PM EDT 0 recs
Deliberately taking strikes
if it was proven what would be the punishment? Not being a dck, just curious.
by njnick on
Aug 2, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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why bother with contracts if no one honors them?
There are ways to break a contract but this ( if true) is boolchit.
I really wish they would figure out a better way to enforce contracts bc so many players kick & scream
( see T.O.) when they have signed a freakin contract but then get their way because they become such a PITA. I really think Manny played himself & bruised too many egos. The whole thing was unnecessary.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on
Aug 2, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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He'd be suspended from baseball
For how long, I don’t know…...it would be up to the powers-that-be.
by ccthemovieman on
Aug 2, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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oh , we _know_ that?
Because Gordon Edes reports that some anonymous source in the Red Sox says that Scott Boras says that Manny would have behaved himself, and because of that, this source in the Red Sox office claims that this is a “tacit admission” that Manny had been dogging it.
Let’s look at the stats. In Manny’s last month on the Sox, his OBP and slugging both went up.
I saw the strikeout against Rivera. I saw three pitches on the black.
Everybody in the Sox organization whose commented on that strikeout has said that there’s no way Manny was intentionally tanking that AB. Hitting Mariano Rivera when he’s on is not easy. And Manny is not the kind of hitter who flails away at pitches that he cannot hit, just to prove that he’s doing something.
It’s not that baseball is gutless. It’s that it’s completely inane to suggest that an investigation should have anytime somebody strikes out looking. Especially against the hottest reliever in the league.
And no, I do not “read” the comment by Boras as a “tacit admission” that Manny had been tanking at all. I think if that’s your presupposition, that it will be your conclusion. But it seems an equally valid interpretation to say that the comment by Boras was to mean that Manny would not have been publicly asking for a trade any more, or complaining about the Boston ownership at all.
Going from “Manny won’t cause any more trouble” to “Manny admits he was tanking” – well that’s a bit of a stretch.
by RickD on
Aug 3, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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100% Now
I was a bout 80/20 for the deal, mostly out of nostalgia for the good ole days and bc I know that in the Playoffs the Sox will not be as feared as they were with Manny/Papi. However, now I know that 1) Theo did the right thing, 2) Boras is the biggest cancer in MLB, and 3) the Sox past was fantastic, but our future is better without Manny.
Manny got what he wanted….to be the center of attention. But he will soon regret this move when the Sox are back in the ALCS and he is competing with Paris Hilton and the fools from Laguna Beach for paparazzi time.
Why anyone would hire Scott Boras for anything is beyond me. He now has screwed up A-Rod and Manny careers.
by SoxAcumen on Aug 2, 2008 2:41 PM EDT 0 recs
Agreed
I’m waiting to see how Boras markets Tek—4 years/$60 million?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Aug 2, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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Yep.
1 year for every no-hitter.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on
Aug 2, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Looking the other way has its longer term detriments!
I have written here over the past 2 years that I think teamwork is not fostered by letting one player act like a loose canon, and by overlooking behaviors that would not be tolerated by others. These others get resentful, and the loose canon gets too selfish and emboldened. When I wrote these thoughts, many here would just say that we have to tolerate Manny being Manny because he is so good. Nowhere did his detrimental effect on teamwork get discussed until his obvious playing meltdown of the last few weeks. Fox sports just said that they blamed the Red Sox management’s overly tolerant attitude toward Manny’s fetishes as the main problem with Manny over time. I agree, but I also blame many fans who fail to understand the meaning of true teamwork and how that is fostered!
by NG on Aug 2, 2008 4:00 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm not a team player
yeah, I said it… because there are always those who bring the group down bc they cant hack it or they just plain old $uck so I avoid group projects at all costs but I do understand the importance of teamwork. What I understand more is doing the job you are paid to do – maybe its my NE work ethic. I think Manny (usually) did the job he was paid to do.
I dont think the fans are to blame because no one in management made a decision based on what the fans wanted because it is impossible to ask every fan. I rooted for Manny & laughed at some of his ways but nothing was within my control. For every fan like me who laughed at MBM there was a fan like you (NG) who didnt think he was funny at all- so this isnt on the fans.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on
Aug 2, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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What is a fan anyway??
I guess we have to look at what I/you feel a fan is. Is a fan someone who will tolerate anything the club and its players do without being critical in any way and just accepting the result?? Is a fan someone who wants an organization to do well, but also uses his/her experiences in life to critique that organization with the hope of making it better.
You get what you are willing to tolerate, IMO, and too many fans emboldened management to allow this immature clown to run amuck, and in the process, they almost lost this season!
by NG on
Aug 2, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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"obvious playing meltdown"
Manny hit better in July than he did in May and June.
Is that important?
by RickD on
Aug 3, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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Just because a Prima donna performs well does not help
teamwork spirit in any good way. That is the point. Manny could not do it alone even if he thought he could. Just ask Youk about playing with Manny on the team. Youk is now unleashed both physically and mentally because Manny is gone, and he will likely become the best in the game more than making up for Manny’s loss, IMO!
by NG on
Aug 3, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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"...emboldened management to allow this immature clown to run amuck..."
That is nicely worded but also comes off as kinda Dennis Miller-ish.
I hear ya NG;it was bad all around but it is over now.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Aug 2, 2008 5:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, I know it's over but
I think it will be a few more days until mostans get this out of our system. This whole Manny mess could cost Boston a playoff spot, and people who care enough to comment on this website are very passionate about their team.
P.S. I would like to hear Miller's comments on Manny.
by ccthemovieman on
Aug 2, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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From what I hear
Manny’s teammates are the ones that ultimately tired of him. I think Gammons reported that several players approached management and asked the FO to dump Manny.
I’m personally sad to see Manny go. Many good memories. But anybody that dogs it to make a point about money is better off on another team. Hopefully the new Sox can come together and continue to contend.
Speaking of which, is anyone else worried about the pitching?
by sggut95 on
Aug 2, 2008 5:53 PM EDT
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I dont think so
The Sox have other issues ; losing Manny’s bat is huge but Sox have some glaring holes
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on
Aug 2, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
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**** sorry didnt hit 'reply'
that comment is in response to ccthemovieman…
I dont think losing Manny costs the Sox a spot—its a whole bunch of other things.
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
by MassGal on Aug 2, 2008 6:19 PM EDT 0 recs
I said it COULD
cost them, not that it would. Yes, if we don’t make it, we can look back and blame a number of things – brutal schedule, horrible relief pitching, too many hitting slumps, etc. Despite all that, Boston is still – as of today – right there but will his absence cost them? Would the Sox been better off if he had just shut up and played ball? Probably. Time will tell, as they say.
by ccthemovieman on Aug 2, 2008 6:50 PM EDT 0 recs
I doubt he'd make it up
If anything, he was told a mistruth.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Aug 3, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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Edes has hated Manny for a while
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Aug 3, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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I still can't see him knowingly publishing an outright lie.
Maybe he’d be a little more susceptible to running with an iffy story. But I can’t see him making it up. My guess is that either Boras or someone in the Sox FO is lying.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Aug 4, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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