Rays fans are so naive (POLL)
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Look at this post on DRaysBay. Do Rays fans not realize that most of the highest attended ball games for the Rays come against the Red Sox, MFY, and other clubs with large fanbases? Without those games, the only thing that chart proves is that the closer you get to the playoffs, the more bandwagon fans will jump on. Bandwagoners seem to call South Florida home though. This graph shows a relationship between how many wins the Marlins have in a season and their attendance. As you can see, their attendance goes up when they win more. Meanwhile, the Red Sox are about to set a new record for consecutive sell outs (on September 3rd, 2008 vs. Baltimore Orioles), a streak which has been helped by the recent success of the Sox. I know that the majority of teams will have statistics that show an increase in attendance in winning seasons, but none have more pronounced differences between the attendance in winning and losing seasons than teams in South Florida. If the Rays return to their losing ways in the nest few seasons, I will be laughing if (and when) the local stores can't pay people to buy Rays gear and the club returns to giving out ticket vouchers at schools and at stores. However, if the current Rays fans stay with the team through the losing seasons to come, they should be applauded for being good and loyal fans.
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I’m not seeing how this is any different from what you’d find with any other team suddenly having success after a long string of losing seasons.
by RSNexile on Aug 16, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be too bad if the fans went to every game and not just to important games. The Sox are selling out against the Orioles, Jays, Twins, and other small market teams.
The Rays only sell out when a big team comes to town.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazingly you are wrong again.
We’ve drawn 30k for an Orioles game, the high for a Yanks game this season is 20k. Other teams that have had higher crowds than the Yanks this season: Cubs, White Sox, Mariners, Astros, Marlins, Royals, Athletics, Indians, and Tigers.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 16, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was the Orioles game perhaps one of the first couple of games in the season?
And the Mariners game was also probably the first game or two. The Cubs, White Sox, and Tigers were all in their races and all have big fanbases and the Marlins games got a lot of the fans from Sarasota and other Florida cities with fans who root for the Marlins but live closer to the Rays. You know, like the fans who jumped on in 1997 and 2003? And the Yanks (also a big, BIG bandwagon team) are having a bad year, so their fanbase dropped a ton this year. That is why they don’t fill up the Trop anymore.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 17, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mariners were the home opener.
The Marlins and Athletics have lower attendance than us. The Cubs are a given, but otherwise your points were wrong, like usual.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Yankees’ point = right
Marlins’ point = right (I know a lot of people who became fans of the Marlins when they first won and still are-even though they live in Tampa.)
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 18, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
That’s not even true, but even if it was, so what? I seem to recall the Sox having trouble selling out games before they became perennial contenders, even with one of the smaller stadiums in MLB. And I seem to recall the Celtics having trouble selling out before this past season, and the Patriots having trouble selling out before the Tom Brady era. And how do the Bruins’ ticket sales look these days? Did they sell out every game?
Every team’s fans are more likely to attend games when their team is doing well. It seems to me that you are the naive one here, not the Rays fans.
by RSNexile on Aug 17, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of all the Boston teams dude.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 17, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoosh!
That’s the sound of the point (and the facts, for that matter) flying right over your head.
by RSNexile on Aug 17, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the point, I'm just saying that I don't giva a damn about the other Boston teams because I don't support them and they don't live all around me.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 18, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So facts don't matter when they're not about you?
Nice.
by RSNexile on Aug 19, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They matter, but I don't care about them as much.
Do you care?: The Pacific Giant Octopus, the largest octopus in the world, grows from the size of pea to a 150 pound behemoth potentially 30 feet across in only two years, its entire life-span.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're still missing the point
And it’s the only one that really matters. See, those Sox fans who buy all the tickets at Fenway? For the most part, they’re the same people who buy all the tickets at Foxboro and the Garden. That’s how ticket sales work — local fans do most of the buying because most people don’t have either the means or the time to travel across the country to attend a game.
So you attack Rays fans using a ridiculous bandwagon argument that applies equally well to all fans, but it’s ok because you don’t care about the other teams. Keep up the good work — that kind of logic will really take you far in life.
by RSNexile on Aug 19, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all the Sox fans in Boston have to support the Bruins, Pats, or Celtics.
I go to Storm (AFL) games and Rays games (usually only when they play the Sox). I don’t like the Bucs, Lightning, Magic (closest team), USF, or any other local teams.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And before you point out that you said"for the most part"...
There are no stats that I’m aware of that prove that the majority of fans go to games of all the local teams.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, of course you're right
It must be people from California going to all the Boston teams’ home games. Whatever was I thinking?
by RSNexile on Aug 19, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see:
Boston has a population of roughly 600,000, right?
Fenway can seat up to: 39,605
Gillette can seat: 68,756
TD Banknorth can seat: 18,624
Total: 126985 seats
Taking into account both of these facts:
some people only support one of the teams
not the same group of people at every game (other than season ticket holders)
That is still way more people in Boston alone than in those stadiums. Fans within driving distance will come to some of the games too, so there’s a ton more people. It’s not the people in California, but it isn’t like all of the people in and around Boston go to every game to fill up the seats. There are a lot of fans who only go to one specific teams games, either because they can’t afford to go to other games or they don’t like the other teams.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, the first fact should read:
some people go to more than one team’s games, while others only support one of the teams
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
therefore you should stop polluting our area and leave. thanks northeastern scum
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by St Pete Native on Aug 21, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 15. I've never lived anywhere in New England or the northeast in general.
I don’t get a choice in where I live, and neither do my parents since my dad is military.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you be a sox fan when youve never even lived in the same damn region as the team. Typical.
And you wonder why we struggle with attendance bc people are raising their children to think like this.
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by St Pete Native on Aug 22, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh My F'n God... DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO ALL OF YOU DAMN RAYS FANS?!?!?!?!
I have personal links to the teams I like, OK? Then I researched the history of those teams and got caught up in them. Williams, Yaz (God Bless His 3*bypassed heart), Fisk, Doerr, Rice, Boggs, etc. made me a hardcore fan of the Sox in the late 90’s (as I explained below) and I have followed the team through thick and thin since then.
If I had to like teams from where I have lived, then I should be a Rockies, (insert random Panamian team here), Rangers, Braves, and Rays fan. That is what you are suggesting.
[Does anybody think I should put the reasons why I like the teams I do in my sig? I am seriously considering it. Then again, since no one reads the warning I put in my sig, maybe it’s a lost cause.]
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 22, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if your 15 now ... and you researched these teams in the late 90's.
That would make you 5-7 when you were did this researching. Sounds feasible. By the way where are your parents from?
You better be careful if your considering coming to the Trop in September.
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by St Pete Native on Aug 23, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go with my family and I usually don't get ragged on too much when I go to a Sox game (about once per series)
My parents were also military brats. My dad was born in Chicago (hence the Bears connection) and attended UF for a while before joining the military (hence the Gators connection). My mom was born in Tampa, but grew up mostly on the space coast, and she attended school with Wake (hence the Red Sox connection). My aunt used to be friends with Wake and they would go out drinking together.
Glad to see that you were more understanding of my reasoning than RJ was. Those reasons were why I called him a moron for referring to me as a bandwagoner for being a Sox fan in Tampa.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was being sarcastic you fucking dumbass.
I dont approve of your stupid ass reasons. You’re the type of people that are ruining our great state and polluting the once great area known as Tampa Bay.
When you get your license come back and talk shit, you no good Yankee scum.
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by St Pete Native on Aug 24, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
Sudden rush of adrenaline or is someone else on your account? That is a way different vibe than before. I followed the Sox because I knew a guy on the team, what’s wrong with that? I know plenty of 5-7 year olds who can go on Google and type in “red sox”, click on a link, click a few more times, and find this page: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/history/index.jsp
I hope to hell that you are not referring to military families as “the type of people who are ruining our great state and polluting the once great area known as Tampa Bay.” If you are, you had better lock your doors and stay away from the windows if you ever say that in public.
And, don’t call me “no good Yankee scum.” I hate, HATE the Yankees, and I would much rather live in the south if you are referring to the other Yankees. The license comment is kinda pointless around Tampa Bay, since most of the drivers drive like they have never seen the handbooks.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think I am the Red Sox Fan who posted that stuff on DRaysBay, I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong.
Although I kinda agree with him, I am banned from DRaysBay for life, and so is my entire IP Address. If you don’t know what that means, I will try to some it up: Nobody who uses my house’s computer network can ever comment/post on DRaysBay, not even with a different email address.
And you might want to post this to DRaysBay before you go all poetic license on Sweet Caroline: http://www.redsoxconnection.com/sweetcaroline.html
If you got banned from OTM for your comment, not my fault.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
Bandwagon fans always happen. Of course people are going to Rays games now, the games are actually bearable to watch now. Before this season, the bullpen was historically bad and the starting pitchers were NOT major league caliber. If I was a Rays fan before this year I would be disgusted with my team and I wouldn’t go to games. When you’re paying $100 for an experience that isn’t fun, it’s not hard to see why Rays fans didn’t go. I know their are a lot more bandwagon fans now, but it’s not that big of a deal. It happens everywhere.
by aspeninthewindow on Aug 16, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most of the tix aren't that expensive: I've sat in decent seats for about $40-50 at the Trop
In previous seasons, the Sox games were almost all red in the stands. The Rays fans that were actually at the stadium didn’t show a lot of support fro their team (while sober). I even pointed out to them that they had all the makings of a great team, they just needed to go out and spend a little and they would be in contention. Most of the reaction was along the lines of “whatever, we suck right now”
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*for
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as tickets go
Let’s look at prices, I’ve never been to a Ray’s game, but I’m guessing the prices are around here, probably lower: $50 for a ticket, $20 for food, $20 for parking, so you end up spending $90 per person on one game. A lot of people don’t have that kind of money to spend more than a couple times a baseball season. I certainly don’t. Secondly, why are you complaining about Rays bandwagon fans? So more fans are coming to games, what’s wrong with that? That’s expected, the Rays are a good team. And OF COURSE more people are going to come see the Red Sox, they’ll get to see stars like Big Papi, Manny (when he was here), Papelbon, Daisuke, and Beckett. The games are probably going to be closer too, and I’d preferably want to see a close game than a blowout. There’s no reason to bash the Rays fans for going to better games or for showing support for their team when it’s doing well.
by aspeninthewindow on Aug 16, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can get good seats lower level for 25-30 dollars on gameday.
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by P Brady on Aug 16, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free parking too
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free parking if you bring 4 or more.
If not it is 10 dollars in the main lot.
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by SRQman on Aug 20, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, forgot about that. Usually with my family of four, so not a prob for me.
You can also park almost anywhere else within a mile radius for cheap if not free.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to stop worrying about what we are doing over at Draysbay and u need to just stop bringing up the rays all together...
focus on your own team
by Rays4ever on Aug 16, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Y'all are in front of us...
This how you are supposed to act during a pennant race. How other teams do affects how your team does.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*This is
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but...
your bringing up pointless shit like rays fans who cares if there are bangwagoners THEY ARE EVERYWHERE you dont think ever redsox fan is the most diehard sox fan do you…leave the fans out of it.
by Rays4ever on Aug 16, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is amazing.
Okay a few things:
1) Games versus good teams bring more fans, really?
2) The highest attended games are actually the Saturday and Sunday games, you can check the numbers — I know you didn’t — but the Yankees series actually haven’t produced a single sell out this season. in fact the highest a Yankee game drew this season was 20k, well below our season average.
3) Of course the Rays have some bandwagoners, but most of the folks at DRB are diehards, I invite you to check how long most of our users have been around, including myself. There are a ton of Red Sox bandwagoners as well, I mean heck, we’ve got a ton suddenly living in Tampa cheering on the Gators, Bucs, and Sox. What’s up with that?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 16, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
R.J.
Why is this guy constantly bringing up the rays on Overthemonster and its only him i think he has a problem with rays actually winning………..bs.uf15bosox9bears23 from my observation people on OTM really dont think of your opinion as all that important bro.
by Rays4ever on Aug 16, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many pink Red Sox hats have been sold since 2004?
And yet a Boston fan is calling out another team’s fans?
Yes, I realize this dude doesn’t speak for the rest of you all. Fortunately for you.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or green jerseys
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 16, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, like whatevs
Attending games is sooooo pinkhat.
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by Brickhaus on Aug 16, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I find it hilarious that when Red Sox fans try to put down the rays
they always attack our fanbase. Maybe thats because they are scared and have no ammunition to attack our actual team. Is someone feeling a little inferior?
Also I wonder what the Red Sox attendance would be if they went through a period of 10 years of ineptitude, let alone the first ten years of a franchises history.
Good gosh do I hate you people. I honestly dont care if i get banned.
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by St Pete Native on Aug 16, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also how many Red Sox fans would show up if they didnt sing that God awful song
and it wasnt trendy to be seen at Fenway Pahk with Drew Barrymore and Jimmy Fallon
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by St Pete Native on Aug 16, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Godawful song you refer to is Sweet Caroline...
They were playing that back in 1998 and only when John Henry bought the Sox did it become a tradition.
http://www.redsoxconnection.com/sweetcaroline.html
And Fever Pitch sucked. I haven’t seen that movie in forever. Needed way more action shots of the game, from what I remember.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't give the rest of us a bad name over here. Thanks.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pot, meet kettle.
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by P Brady on Aug 16, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing against Rays fan
One or two that has come here in the past have been annoying, but I guess that happens with every team (for a blog full of those, see under Heaven, Halos). I had big laughs over at their SBnation blog on the trade deadline, laughs in a Steven Seagal kind of way.
I just wish I knew what the fuck a dray is. That sounds like a pretty fucked up bug, or something. :)
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHO CARES?!?!?!?!?
I certainly don’t. Every team has good and bad fans.
Worst post ever. By the way I voted Red Sox, because even though I am a Red Sox fan I absolutely hate our bandwagon fans.
by drabidea on Aug 16, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed (but I didn't vote)
Hey bs.uf15bosox9bears23, let’s worry about our team and them worry about theirs.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, from now on I'll keep all of my comments to what happens on the field, not in the stands
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, after we finish this thread.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy for the Rays. Their success is good for the AL East and for baseball, and must be very rewarding for the fans who braved all those 90-loss seasons.
bs.uf15bosox9bears23 has some sort of mad-on for Rays fans, which no one else on this site shares (as stated by MGBB, Drugs, and drabidea). I hope Rays fans don’t judge us by his behavior.
by 0157H7 on Aug 16, 2008 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don't.
Every fan base, including ones as large as the Red Sox and as (comparably) small as the Rays have good and bad representation.
Personally I have nothing but respect for the Red Sox as an organization, they’re almost too well ran for their own good. I believe Epstein and company have around 30 million coming off of the books and only have two holes to fill, and that depends on what Jed Lowrie does. The Rays are going to have to be pretty precise with their maneuvers to top Boston even once, but I look forward to seeing two of the better front offices in the game square off for the next 5-10 years.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before you criticize the Rays attendance...
Maybe you should realize the pathetic attendance numbers that have been in the Sox past. When they sucked in the 60’s, after decades of building up a fanbase, they could barely crack 10,000 fans per game….and one year didnt. Then in 1967 saw a guge jump as soon as they started winning. But that doesnt fit your quaint little argument.
by td32 on Aug 16, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
40 years ago? You’re saying Sox fans are bandwagoners because we’ve only been selling out Fenway for 40 years?
Smarter trolls please.
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by tommy.otm on Aug 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with using that data?
You had had a baseball team for over 6 decades, yet still had trouble getting 12,000 fans. Then, all of a sudden, one winning season after nearly a decade of crap, and it jumped to 22,000. I was simply illustrating how Rays fans arent unlike many other fans throughout baseball, including the great fans of Boston. The Rays have been around for a decade and are building up our base.
If you think those attendance numbers are irrelevant, then it shows how feeble minded you are. It may have been 40 years ago, but it simply shows how after 6 decades the Sox had awful attendance figures, and it only spiked back up after a winning season.
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by td32 on Aug 16, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sellouts
Don’t bring up the past like it’s relevant to the present. If you want to talk about the past we can talk about how you’ve never had a winning season before this one, as if that would somehow discredit your current season. You’re insane if you think the Rays have the dedicated fanbase that the Sox do. I wasn’t going to comment on the rest of the posters from DRaysbay because they all seemed pretty intelligent, until you.
And real mature quoting Shaquille O’Neal there.
by Gnick on Aug 17, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said the Rays had the fanbase the Sox have...
It’s called reading comprehension. If you can’t understand the point I’m making, then you’re not too intelligent. The Rays are a franchise barely 10 years old. They were brutal until this season. You simply wont have good attendance in that situation. Now they are winning and more fans are showing up. Does that make them bandwagon fans….maybe. But the Sox went through a similar stretch 40 years ago. They were below .500 8 straight seasons. In 1966they averaged 10,000 fans per game. Mind you, this was after many decades to build up a fanbase. In 1967, they turned things around and won the division…and the fans came as well….to the tune of 21,000 per game. Were the Sox fans bandwagon fans at that point?
The time frame is meaningless. Why does it matter if it was 40 years ago or not? It simply shows that fans like a winning team.
by td32 on Aug 17, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Test of Time
First off, I got a 780 on reading comprehension on the SAT so if there’s one area am not bad at, it’s that. Secondly, you have had one season of increased fanbase due to success whereas the Red Sox have been selling out games for year, even in 2006 when they missed the playoffs.
I agree that more wins=more attendance, but to state that the Red Sox don’t do well in attracting fans by citing stats from forty years ago is irrelevant to anyone born after 1968.
by Gnick on Aug 17, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
SAT scores!
I think you lost the argument right there.
by RickD on Aug 17, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
though the point about 1968 is spot on
I was born in 1968. The Sox have never had difficulty selling tickets. Or hats. Or anything like that.
Only a total moron would call Red Sox fans ‘bandwagon’ fans. Most Sox fans I know (and I know a large number) have been fans all their lives. That’s how sports culture is in New England. The Sox have always been the most important sports pro franchise in the region, even when the Celtics were ringing up championships.
I suspect this poll was spammed by idiots in Florida or something like that.
by RickD on Aug 17, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the red sox have a ton of hardcore fans AND a ton of bandwagon fans
after all, they have a ton of fans in general.
this discussion is pretty stupid, but let’s at least realize that just because a team tends to have a higher or lower percentage of bandwagon fans, it doesn’t affect the hardcore-ness of one particular fan.
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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 17, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all of us in Florida are idiots RickD
Some of us are stuck in Florida because of jobs or have family here
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 17, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I felt bad about that
Really shouldn’t have said that, you should see my math score, it wasn’t nearly as good. But when someone insults my intelligence I think I have a right to defend it.
by Gnick on Aug 17, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classier trolls.
Please.
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by tommy.otm on Aug 17, 2008 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You called me a troll after my first post...
Even though I put forth an argument backed up by stats. Maybe if you back of labeling someone a troll immediately more class would be directed towards you.
by td32 on Aug 17, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, I called you a troll. You responded by inviting me to “taste your ass” (which, presumably, tastes like sh*t). If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you called me a troll prior to that
by td32 on Aug 17, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I called you a troll prior to your first post?
You just blew my mind.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 17, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
next you'll be arguing
how we should bomb the Ho Chi Minh Trail?
Seriously, just because an argument may have been valid in the late 60s doesn’t mean it is so now.
by RickD on Aug 17, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amazed you don't understand my point...
Obviously you have a ton of sell outs now. You have had a winning team consistently for the better part of 3 decades. Then you combine that with the fact that you do have a huge fanbase. I, in no way, am trying to say the Rays are even in the same stratosphere as the Sox in that regard.
Some idiot started this post and referenced the attendance figures of Rays games, then stated that most of the new fans were bandwagon. Not too mention the Rays dont get fans to games unless the Sox or Yankees are in town. While that may have been true prior to this season, it isnt the case this year.
The only reason I pointed out the data from 40 years ago, was because that is the last time your team went through a stretch even close to as bad as the Rays with regard to losing. I understand it was a long time ago. But that doesnt change the fact that your attendance was awful during that stretch, then as soon as they had a winning season, the attendance nearly doubled. All I am pointing out is that a storied franchise like the Sox, who had a large fanbase already at that point in time(althugh clearly no where near as big as now), were not immune to poor attendance that suddenly spiked when the team began winning.
That is my point. One would have to be an idiot to believe the Rays have anywhere near the Sox established fanbase. The jerk off that started this thread come over to Draysbay and started trolling around. Then throws up a stupid post like this one.
by td32 on Aug 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
Okay, we’re cool, I understand what you’re saying isn’t really an diss to the Sox, but in your first few posts you came across as aggressive and insulting.
by Gnick on Aug 17, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians Fans are the most bandwagon
Look what happened during the late 90’s.
That said those guys over at Let’s Go Tribe are not bandwagon they support the team even if the sky was falling which it currently is.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Aug 16, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the Indians are one of the best run organizations in the majors
my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says Who
They have two winning seasons in the last 7 and are a complete mess this year. Injuries didn’t help this year but lack of depth is a major concern. They also lack star quality minor leaguers and don’t have an apparent number 2 pitcher for next year which already spells trouble. If you are only talking about low payroll teams they still wouldn’t compare well to the Twins, Marlins, Brewers, Oakland and San Diego Padres all have had a much better record overall the last seven years and will be competitive for at least the next few. That list doesn’t even include the Tampa Rays who look to be build for a few very solid years in a row. Are they better then the Royals and Washington Nationals sure. Are they better next year and the next few then the Cincinnati Reds, San Fransisco Giants, Arizona Diamonbacks or the Colorado Rockies I am not sure given those teams good to great young pitching and hitting. Tell me then how they are considered one of the Best run organization then.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Aug 17, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how everyone votes the Red Sox as the biggest bandwagon team. At least you guys are honest.
by Cory Alexander on Aug 16, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even funnier that no one votes for the Marlins, who I even pointed out in the post as the worst bandwagoners.
Ask anybody from South Florida, they will tell you: If the Marlins are in it in September, then the park gets filled up real quick.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who voted for the Phillies? I've never heard anything about them being bandwagoners... Interesting...
Do you have a story behind it? Or is it just hatred for the Phillies? I would be interested if you have a story…
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Phillies fans are notoriously bad, and know there's more of them
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PHI/attend.shtml
I never really liked the Phillies, and now their attendance is going up, mostly due to the home run ball. More than half the fans there are there just to say “I say Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, ect.” when they usually don’t even know of the place they are in in the NL East.
He who hesitates is tagged out between first and second base.
by BoSox415 on Aug 17, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm... hadn't thought about that...
You think the Marlins would have more fans since they are almost the same as the Phillies in structure, but they don’t…
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 17, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 Winning season in a row doesn't have anything to do with it
then Just the HR’s. Sure they don’t hurt but winning is much more important then HR in the long run. That division title last year certainly added to their attendance as well.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Aug 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather see a scrappy team (example, 1906 chisox hitless wonders)
than a team that wins the same number of games by hitting long bombs?
He who hesitates is tagged out between first and second base.
by BoSox415 on Aug 18, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. This was a stupid argument to start in the first place, and you keep pushing it.
by Charger567 on Aug 17, 2008 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the "you" me or Rays4Ever?
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any reason why you dont ban this fool from OTM
by Rays4ever on Aug 17, 2008 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does D-Rays Bay ban people who talk shit about Sox fans?
Didn’t think so.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 17, 2008 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you dude. I got banned on DRaysBay for calling RJ Anderson a moron and then trying to answer the other comments with another account.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 17, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You called an admin a moron in your second comment and got banned?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 17, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are a moron for thinking that I have to like the Tampa teams just because I live in Tampa.
I’ve said it before: I DON"T HAVE A SAY IN WHERE I LIVE; I’M ONLY 15!
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The comment you just said
had nothing to do with what he was talking about. He was talking about how you call him (an admin) a moron and then got banned and how you are shocked at that, which is something you should not be shocked about.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 19, 2008 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked that I can't keep my right of free speech
Dude needs to man up if I call him a moron with good reason.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 19, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't good reason.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 20, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't it a good reason?
And you may want to account for the fact that some minors read these sites and your sig is border-lining inappropriate.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I asked if you had looked at BaseRuns projected records then you made a snarky moron.
That after you called my readers bandwagoners. I’m not going to come here and call people bandwagoners because I respect OTM’s writers and community too much.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 22, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said that most Rays fans are bandwagoners. The majority of people that visit these kind of sites are relatively hard core fans.
I’m pretty sure my comment about you being a moron was in response to you saying that my being a Red Sox fan in Tampa made me a bandwagoner. I can’t use proof to back that up though since you still won’t post the string of comments. You can call me a bandwagoner all you want if you have proof that backs it up.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 23, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you have proof that the readers on DRB are bandwagoners?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you didn't read my comment!
I said that most Rays fans are bandwagoners (not all of them though), and that the majority of people who would take their time to visit these kind of sites are hardcore or at least loyal fans. I don’t have proof that your readers are bandwagoners, but I have proof that roughly half of your fellow Rays fans are.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning teams have bandwagoners?
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 28, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jumping around the point much?
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 28, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig is pretty mature though.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 22, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 23, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a joke, and it isn't offensive
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 23, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone offended by his signature probably shouldn't be on the internet.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 24, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say his was, I said mine wasn't
And my suggestion was that he make his sig something that won’t get curious minors searching the internet for what it means.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other people do after reading my sig
is not my problem.
Top Josh Paul Pornos- Big Navi Stroking, 2pitchers1cup, BJ to the Balls, Riggans Your Thingans
BELIEVE in 08!
by SRQman on Aug 24, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True American
There’s the true American social conscience in action right there! At least since 2001. And yes I will be making a negative reference towards Bush every time I post on this thread.
by Gnick on Aug 24, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll make one if it makes you happy: his former team traded away the player who is probably the best SS of all time to a team with a top 5 SS.
And he didn’t invent the system we are using right now. /sarcasm
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 25, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBN
is not a right to free speech place. The moderators can and will remove you from a site if they don’t agree with your or like you and you can’t do anything about it. Sad part is that some people will get banned just because they don’t agree with the majority. Your opinion is of little consequence even if you are right. Sadly this is what America is slowly becoming. Less freedoms, less ability to speak your mind or even speak the truth.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Aug 20, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that SB Nation provides that people lose most of their right to free speech, but...
RJ banned me for a comment that most other people would have taken and let it be. The Moderators need to be accounted for too. Democracy!!!!
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
Some people don’t understand freedom of speech or even care for freedom of speech. I am almost against all kinds of restrictions on free of speech. This is a blog site and different opinions are needed and should promoted. The problem is the moderators on most sites are nothing more then Club protectors, their sole propose is to protect and prevent dissenting opinion against the club. If you disagree with the moderators in any way even if later you are proved right later that doesn’t matter. Moderators are dictators with the power to stop your opinion and prevent dissenting opinions. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Aug 20, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freedom of speech is a public right.
There is no right to free speech in a private forum.
None. Zero. Zippola.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 21, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only because
idiots can’t stand different opinions not because it should have a place.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Aug 21, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what that means.
I’m sorry you’ve both been banned from SBNation sites. But it has nothing to do with the First Amendment. Give it a read.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
“Congress… Government…” Notice it says nothing of Reverend Halofan, or DRays Bay, or OTM, or any other private actor anywhere in the universe. They are free to censor our speech as they see fit. Yes, it would be nice if they tolerated differing points of view, brought up in a respectful manner, but they don’t have to.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 21, 2008 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to sound liberal but...
Implied that no one else can since we elect Congress. The Constitution needs to be updated to the 21st Century something bad.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem with sounding liberal.
SBNation is after all run by Kos.
But rewriting the constitution is not a liberal position.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 21, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second part wasn't supposed to be in the same paragraph.
And I am a hardcore, far-right, conservative Republican who wishes that the death penalty would be legalized to the point of firing squads the electric chair.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(fighting… urge… to talk… politics…)
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 21, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stopping...
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have the right to free speech, but not on others' property
anyone can go set up their own blog and say whatever they want to say. but sbnation doesn’t have to let you do it on their dime.
my blog // calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy // past results do not guarantee future performance
by Sky Kalkman on Aug 20, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SB Nation most likely gets their "dime" from advertisers...
Who probably don’t give a crap if their ads are on pages where a disputed topic is located. In fact (marketing genius light bulb goes off) they would probably prefer to have their ads on those pages because more people would see them.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox fans are bandwagon fans?
Anybody who thinks that is seriously deranged.
by RickD on Aug 17, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of Sox fans aren't bandwagon fans
But do you really think that the fans with the pink hats would be coming to see games if the Sox weren’t winning 90-95 games a season?
by aspeninthewindow on Aug 17, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. RickD, there are a lot of bandwagon fans who jumped onto the Sox after 2004.
They would be the one’s who are buying all of the pink hats and green jerseys because they think it’s cool.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 17, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the probem with pink hats.
I get a new hat every year or two, once the old one starts to get funky. Usually they’re the standard – blue hat, red B – though I’ve had a green one, a 2004 WS Champ, a 30’s style B, etc.
The pink hats aren’t exactly my style, but if someone chooses to buy a pink hat instead of the traditional, then God bless.
Pedroia, Paps, Youk, Beckett, Lester and Lowell jerseys are all new since 2004 too, so it must be safe to assume that every guy with a Papelbon jersey is a bandwagoner too,right?
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 17, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the point
The whole stereotype of a pink hat fan is that there are people, a lot who wear the pink red sox hats, who after seeing the Red Sox doing so well, decided to start rooting them on and becoming a fan. That is a bandwagon fan. I’m not trying to insult them at all, it’s just that the overall stereotype of a pink hat fan is that they are bandwagon fans who started following the Red Sox when they started doing well. And the jersey thing isn’t a valid argument at all. People normally wear jerseys of their favorite players. I have a Youk jersey and a Lester jersey, does that make me a bandwagon fan? Of course not, I’ve been a fan my whole life, Youk and Lester are just my favorite players on this team. I’d say that about 90% of the jerseys worn by fans are of players from 2004 or after, and it’s simply because almost all of the players on the team are from 2004 or after.
by aspeninthewindow on Aug 17, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You miss my point.
99.9% percent of the fans wearing pink hats are women. Using “pink hat” as short-hand for band-wagoner presumes that these women aren’t real fans. I think it’s BS.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 17, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is sad
I can’t believe I am the 70th post on this thread.
by drabidea on Aug 17, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not sad, it shows that I can bring together large groups of diverse people to converse on a topic.
;)
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So can George W. Bush but that doesn’t make him any good at what he does.
by Gnick on Aug 19, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
W would have been a great president if he was innaugarated after 9/11.
If Osama and his buddies and attacked America in the 90’s, instead of waiting for another Bush to be elected, Clinton would have been the one people (other than Republicans) hated.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make sense?
So the failing education and healthcare systems can be attributed to 9/11? Those policies were implemented before 9/11. In reality, 9/11 was the only reason Bush won in 2004. He made people incredibly afraid of terrorist attacks and then acted like he was the only one who could prevent them. Osama also made Bush ignorant towards global warming, a sinking economy, and forced him to pass the Patriot Act.
by Gnick on Aug 20, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
Failing education and healthcare systems = Congress, then Bush
Lets just forget about Kerry’s need to cover bost sides of every issue, shall we.
Yeah, because terrorist attacks weren’t scary at all before 9/11. Pearl Harbor, the previous attack on the WTC, the Oklahoma City Bombing were all laughers right?
Global warming would be happening even if we all stopped contributing to it and completely cleaned up the entire Earth. It is a natural process that we probably added to as a small percentage factor.
If you look at most of the wars that have happened in all of recorded history, the economy of the involved parties usually succeeded because new jobs are created and there is a large demand for maufactured products. This war hasn’t followed the past because Americans now feel that they are more important that the country, so they go against a war because they don’t want to risk their life for their country. It is no wonder why most of the world hates us.
The Patriot Act in no way violates any laws. You have the right to free speech and the right to remain silent, but not the right to speak freely while appearing silent. Why are you afraid of being listened to, anyway? If you haven’t done anything wrong, then nothing will happen to you.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You sort of get a pass because you were like 6 on 9/11 and 11 when Kerry was Swift-boated and you’re still only 15 so you haven’t really learned to think for yourself, but seriously, SHUT UP.
Seriously. This is a baseball blog. There are plenty of places to talk politics.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 21, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I think for myself all the time though. Like right now I am thinking: click the post button. Nope, wait, that is somebody behind me telling me what to do.
/sarcasm
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Stick with baseball.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Aug 21, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I have no idea, or do I have an idea that you simply don't understand?
I usually do stick to baseball (or sports in general) unless someone else goes off on a tangent, like Gnick did with his comment about Bush. Then I follow the way the conversation is going if I reply.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully
This fool can’t vote in the next election
by Gnick on Aug 23, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2012 election baby! Gonna vote to relect McCain!
That is, if he hasn’t died by the time he is inaugurated in ’09, like the media thinks he will.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 24, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should research this beforehand
Before you around predicting a McCain victory perhaps you should look at some polls, such as:
8/24: Obama 46% McCain 42%
8/21: Obama 44% McCain 42%
8/20: Obama 45% McCain 44%
8/19: Obama 46% McCain 43%
In the 27 “poll of polls” CNN has taken since late April EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM has shown Obama to be ahead. And since these are a compilation of every other poll it means there is no margin of error.
And if you want to talk about how popular vote doesn’t matter and it’s all about the electoral college I suggest you look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/electoral.map/index.html
by Gnick on Aug 24, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because every loyal Republican is gonna respond to a CNN poll...
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 28, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the thread that never ends
It goes on and on my friends. Some people started posting here, because of what it said. And they’re forever posting here, forever just because… It is the thread that never ends…
by 0157H7 on Aug 19, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very deep... and lyrical...
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bandwagon fans
I think there’s two types of “bandwagon” fans: those who get genuinely interested in a winning ballclub (not necessarily a title-winning ballclub) for the first time and come to love the team, and people who start…following is the wrong word, because these are really the most casual of casual fans…a winning team because the team’s park is the new place to see and be seen, because all the employee lounge conversations are now superficially discussing the team, and because there’s nothing more cool than being tangentially associated with a winner.
(I was at Coors Field last week, and sat in between two couples of the latter; if you show up to a game in the 4th inning and leave in the 7th and use all that time there to eat, get smashed, and talk on your cellphone—especially if you’re sitting in the second-most expensive field level seats—you weren’t there for the baseball.)
by morineko on Aug 20, 2008 4:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The second group would be the ones featured in the Miller High Life commercial then?
The one where the delivery guy goes into the box seats and takes all the beer because nobody in the room gives a dammn about the game they’re at?
Great comment by the way. This was the kind of comments I was intending to get…
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 20, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they're not livin' the high life
No suites, though. ;) Boston-area Sox fans would probably think it’s ridiculous that I’m saying $47.50 seats are expensive, too. I was sitting in front of a couple with small children who were possibly of partial Bandwagon Type A (husband knew his baseball down to knowing about the opposing team, wife only knew her Rockies and didn’t know who Greg Maddux was) but she was really interested in watching both sides and learning more about the Padres—we got to talking about Cla Meredith’s pitching later. They stayed for the entire game with intermittent child-related breaks.
I freely admit that I’m a Bandwagon Type A fan of the Red Sox…except the bandwagon I jumped on was the one with “1990” on the side. The Twins and the Brewers were woeful, and the Sox had a pitcher from Minnesota—people I knew knew him in real life—so I started following the Sox.
by morineko on Aug 20, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can call your 'type A bandwagoner' a bandwagoner.
Those are simply new fans. You can’t associate them with bandwagoning just because the team is playing well; there aren’t many people who will start cheering for a new team when they’re losing; anybody who does leans more a genuinely dedicated baseball fan. I see bandwagon fans as fans who only root for winning teams; fans who find reasons to change allegences by finding some kind of connection with the new winning team when the team they’re currently cheering for isn’t.
Fans like Yankees fans who live in Tampa that are now cheering for the Rays as their favorites.
by kericr on Aug 20, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I was mostly thinking about people who did indeed jump on the wagon but stayed. In any case, there does seem to be a faction of Sox fandom who believes anyone who got into the team post-2004 isn’t a true fan and won’t stick around when there is losing.
In 2008, there is losing (although not desperate, awful, choking losing,) and a lot of people are still riding.
by morineko on Aug 21, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I started following the Sox the same way (Wake is my connection)
then I started getting into the history of the Sox and got caught up in it all.
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the late 90's, when the Sox were either struggling to get up to .500 or were right around it...
Just in case the Rays fans return…
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 Bandwagon fans
1) LA Laker fans – this is a NO brainer. #1 by a large margin. Now to all you “real” Laker fans, the guy who works a blue collar job and never goes to a game, this is not you. I am talking about the “Fans” who leave games when the Lakers are down by 8 in the 4th quarter so they can get to Sky Bar early.
2) MFY – I see more wanna be Yankee fans in LA then on the east coast so I might be jaded a little. Plus how can Bob Costas grow up in St. Louis with those great teams and be a freakin Yankee fan. Bandwagoners.
3) Dallas Cowboys – only bc I met a girl once who did not know they played football and just liked the colors and the star….America’s Team … lol yeah sure…
by SoxAcumen on Aug 21, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the Cowboys for one reason and one reason only:
the ahem “Stars” ahem that are dancing on the sideline. And even then they can’t touch DA BEARS!
Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 21, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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