GT: Jays @ Sox
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Yikes, down 2-0 already
2-run HR for Rios.
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Byrd looks like crap so far
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't a good 1st inning
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
He was somewhat ‘lucky’ to get the pickoff, it could have been worse.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
3 pitch K for Ells
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Halladay makes Jacoby look bad
I really don’t like Ellsbury leading off.
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Yeah, but he has good numbers against Halladay if I remember it right
But, really, no point for him to be leading off right now. The line-up looked better with Drew there.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
4 for 6 with 2 HR, before the three pitches he just saw.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
KC giving the MFY some rough times, uh?
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MFY are reeling right now
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
2 on for Drew
Come on, JD!
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JD 7 for 17 v. Halladay
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
7 for 18 now
Good contact, though
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Not a bad AB, I guess.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Get your shit together, Byrd
The stuff you’re throwing can’t get nobody out, dude.
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Byrd trade not looking good so far
Let’s hope he gets his mojo going, because he has better stuff than what he was throwing in these first 2 innings.
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The New Guy get his first career hot off Halladay
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gets
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you corrected gets but not "hot" lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 17, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
so i'll see ya there?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope. It's for Angels fans only.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 17, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing against Bay
I think he’s a very good hitter, but Manny would have put that one into orbit. :)
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Manny > Bay
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
true, offensively
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Pujols > Youk as well
I wish Manny didn’t pull that much crap, and he would still be playing for us.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny wouldn't be playing.
His knee is allergic to Cy Young candidates.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
That's Gammons' insinuation
But it isn’t true. I looked at Manny’s game log. He missed most of his games against scrubs and often faced a team’s best starter.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that's too rational
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Looks like Halladay will get yet another CG.
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With these two pitchers on the mound
This game could be over by 9:00.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
At least, Byrd is a fast worker. :)
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
love the old-school windup, too
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Are you a Hall of Fame voter?
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Bay is very, very good
But Manny is a HOFer.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny's a HoFamer based on his prime years
he’s no longer in his prime.
and considering his fielding abilities, he’s not as strong of a HoF candidate as most people believe.
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Manny had a down year last season
But even so, he OPSed .881. On a bad season. Manny is the second best RHH of our time, behind only Albert Pujols (come on, Pujols hitting with the monster on his left would be something else). If that’s not HOFer, I just don’t know what is.
On fielding, you’re very much right on. But I think that Manny bat made up for that.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
right, but if you're comparing what you can expect from Bay and Manny...
…over the rest of 2008 and 2009, you don’t give Manny credit for 1999 through 2002.
Over the past few years he’s about a 145 OPS+ hitter. Bay’s at about 125-130.
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Right
Bay is not that big a drop from Manny these days when you count defense and baserunning. I thought you were talking about Manny as a future HOFer, which he is.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bay's defense isn't great
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
about average the zone ratings say
it’s all relative with Manny
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Manny's defense is awful
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Thomas matches Manny's OPS (155ish)
(in response to the RHH comment)
Arod’s about five points behind, although both Manny and Thomas are getting docked a few points due to OPS+ underrating walks. Arod less so.
Pujols is at 168. Sheesh.
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Manny is a better hitter than A-Rod
While A-Rod is the better all around player. I forgot about Big Frank, who’s close to Manny but a little behind him for my money.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
"While A-Rod is the better all around player."
Unless you think “clutch” exists.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
I said he's the better player because
He’s a good defender, and has good speed. Being clutch for me is something else.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
agree about Arod. as for Thomas...
He has a higher peak than Manny, but nowhere near the number of All-Star level seasons. for seven straight years, Frank Thomas put up 6+ batting wins. Manny has zero at that level. But Frank has only one more season above 2.5 batting wins, while Manny has four seasons above 5.0 wins, eight seasons above 4.0, and thirteen above 3.0.
(Using B-Ref’s battings wins above average)
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Frank Thomas creates 8.8 runs each game for his career
While Manny is good for 8.9. That’s insane. Just for kicks, Vizquel creates half that much. Manny’s career EqA is .326, while Thomas is .336. Other numbers are close, but mainly they all point at Thomas being better. I guess I was wrong about this, and underrated Big Frank a bit.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
of course, Thomas isn't a defensive asset, either
and i wouldn’t be surprised if Manny’s better overall, given that he used to be at least league-average with the glove.
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Considering that even top players only bat about 4-6 times per game, and only hit or walk in 40% of opportunities, I think your numbers are very wrong. Manny was not hitting three three-run homers every game he played for us, that’s for sure.
I guess that means
If Manny batted 27 times per game, he would create this many runs every single game. That’s how I see it, but I could be wrong.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
right.
R/27 is fun, but not particularly accurate. It overrates OBP — since run-scoring isn’t linear as OBP goes up, you really should only credit Manny’s/Thomas’s OBP as it interacts with the other eight hitters, not how it would interact with itself.
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Yep
But I like that stat, or the idea of having 9 Mannys. :)
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
would you rather have 9 manny's or 9 pedro's?
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9 pedro's, not even close
Pedro is one of the 5 or so best pitchers ever.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you'd be wasting your eighth and ninth pedros in middle of the bullpen, though
kidding
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Defense rarely figures in the voting
Manny’s career hitting makes him an easy HOFer: 515 HR .313 AVG/ .410 OBP/ .591 SLG.
Manny has the 78th best AVG all time. He is 36th in OBP, and 8th in SLG. He is 10th in OPS, only Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Foxx, Greenberg, and Hornsby are better and in the HOF. Bonds, Pujols, and Helton are also better.
Nobody votes on defense.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
where does his OPS+ fall?
need to account for scoring environment (park, era)
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25th
Good point.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tied with Frank Robinson
Who is in the Hall.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny is in the HOF
No doubt in my mind. But maybe his OPS+ will still fall a bit, if he plays until he’s 42/43. Not everybody is Barry Roids. :)
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i get that defense barely matters
but I’m talking actual production level here, not perceived production level
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Wow, a single for Tek
A legit hit too.
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STOP SUCKING MOMENTUM, DUSTY!!!!!
:)
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Both pitchers work fast
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Byrdman looking better
But the Jays offense is so bad that I just don’t know.
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Nah
The last replay clearly showed the ball in Casey’s glove with the runner’s foot in the air.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Halladay is not on one of his best nights
Our bats are helping him a bit.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Now would be a good time for his 2nd one
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Now would be a good time for Casey's 1st HR
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Halladay, 2 outs, Tek's up
See you guys in the 6th. :)
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I think I could throw a better change than that one
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There were some awful calls in the 5th.
First, Lowrie was called out on a pitch outside the strike zone. Then Casey had a checked swing that was called a swing.
the blue jays are underperforming their talent this year.
most smart power rankings have them top ten, even higher.
their skills lie outside of what the mainstream media finds sexy: deep rotation, strong bullpen, fielding.
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Painful game
At least we knew it would be very hard for us to win this one. Let’s try to get the other 2, but pitching matchups do not look good.
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Ells leading off needs to stop for a while
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how is he as a center fielder?
average? above-average? excellent?
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Awesome
Makes great grabs, and steals some hits. Doesn’t have a good arm, but better than Milky’s.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Melky has a much better arm
But Melky is in Triple-A
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn't take much to outhit Melky, either
throwing arm is overrated as an important skill, too. range is more important.
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Agreed
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
God, I remember Milky with a weak arm. He really has a a good arm?
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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He is decent defensively with a pretty good arm
He’ll end up as a 4th OF.
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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he's about league-average overall, so he deserves to start for some team
just not a team with a $200MM payroll or a team in serious contention.
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Game Over?
I’m too late. I’ll bring me and my good luck tomorrow.
He who hesitates is tagged out between first and second base.
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