Toronto Blue Jays @ Boston Red Sox GameThread, Aug 16, 2008 7:05 PM EDT

Yikes, down 2-0 already

2-run HR for Rios.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Byrd looks like crap so far

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It wasn't a good 1st inning

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

He was somewhat ‘lucky’ to get the pickoff, it could have been worse.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 pitch K for Ells

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Halladay makes Jacoby look bad

I really don’t like Ellsbury leading off.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but he has good numbers against Halladay if I remember it right

But, really, no point for him to be leading off right now. The line-up looked better with Drew there.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

4 for 6 with 2 HR, before the three pitches he just saw.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

KC giving the MFY some rough times, uh?

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

MFY are reeling right now

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 on for Drew

Come on, JD!

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

JD 7 for 17 v. Halladay

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

7 for 18 now

Good contact, though

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Not a bad AB, I guess.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get your shit together, Byrd

The stuff you’re throwing can’t get nobody out, dude.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The second inning was better

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Byrd trade not looking good so far

Let’s hope he gets his mojo going, because he has better stuff than what he was throwing in these first 2 innings.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The New Guy get his first career hot off Halladay

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

gets

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you corrected gets but not "hot" lol

http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 17, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so i'll see ya there?

http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope. It's for Angels fans only.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 17, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing against Bay

I think he’s a very good hitter, but Manny would have put that one into orbit. :)

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Manny > Bay

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

true, offensively

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols > Youk as well

I wish Manny didn’t pull that much crap, and he would still be playing for us.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manny wouldn't be playing.

His knee is allergic to Cy Young candidates.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Aug 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's Gammons' insinuation

But it isn’t true. I looked at Manny’s game log. He missed most of his games against scrubs and often faced a team’s best starter.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's too rational

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's raining

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looks like Halladay will get yet another CG.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

With these two pitchers on the mound

This game could be over by 9:00.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

At least, Byrd is a fast worker. :)

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

love the old-school windup, too

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bay is awesome, fuck all of you Manny apologists.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Are you a Hall of Fame voter?

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bay is very, very good

But Manny is a HOFer.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manny's a HoFamer based on his prime years

he’s no longer in his prime.

and considering his fielding abilities, he’s not as strong of a HoF candidate as most people believe.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manny had a down year last season

But even so, he OPSed .881. On a bad season. Manny is the second best RHH of our time, behind only Albert Pujols (come on, Pujols hitting with the monster on his left would be something else). If that’s not HOFer, I just don’t know what is.

On fielding, you’re very much right on. But I think that Manny bat made up for that.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

right, but if you're comparing what you can expect from Bay and Manny...

…over the rest of 2008 and 2009, you don’t give Manny credit for 1999 through 2002.

Over the past few years he’s about a 145 OPS+ hitter. Bay’s at about 125-130.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Bay is not that big a drop from Manny these days when you count defense and baserunning. I thought you were talking about Manny as a future HOFer, which he is.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bay's defense isn't great

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

about average the zone ratings say

it’s all relative with Manny

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manny's defense is awful

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank Thomas matches Manny's OPS (155ish)

(in response to the RHH comment)

Arod’s about five points behind, although both Manny and Thomas are getting docked a few points due to OPS+ underrating walks. Arod less so.

Pujols is at 168. Sheesh.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manny is a better hitter than A-Rod

While A-Rod is the better all around player. I forgot about Big Frank, who’s close to Manny but a little behind him for my money.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"While A-Rod is the better all around player."

Unless you think “clutch” exists.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Aug 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said he's the better player because

He’s a good defender, and has good speed. Being clutch for me is something else.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree about Arod. as for Thomas...

He has a higher peak than Manny, but nowhere near the number of All-Star level seasons. for seven straight years, Frank Thomas put up 6+ batting wins. Manny has zero at that level. But Frank has only one more season above 2.5 batting wins, while Manny has four seasons above 5.0 wins, eight seasons above 4.0, and thirteen above 3.0.

(Using B-Ref’s battings wins above average)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank Thomas creates 8.8 runs each game for his career

While Manny is good for 8.9. That’s insane. Just for kicks, Vizquel creates half that much. Manny’s career EqA is .326, while Thomas is .336. Other numbers are close, but mainly they all point at Thomas being better. I guess I was wrong about this, and underrated Big Frank a bit.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

of course, Thomas isn't a defensive asset, either

and i wouldn’t be surprised if Manny’s better overall, given that he used to be at least league-average with the glove.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Considering that even top players only bat about 4-6 times per game, and only hit or walk in 40% of opportunities, I think your numbers are very wrong. Manny was not hitting three three-run homers every game he played for us, that’s for sure.

by 0157H7 on Aug 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess that means

If Manny batted 27 times per game, he would create this many runs every single game. That’s how I see it, but I could be wrong.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

right.

R/27 is fun, but not particularly accurate. It overrates OBP — since run-scoring isn’t linear as OBP goes up, you really should only credit Manny’s/Thomas’s OBP as it interacts with the other eight hitters, not how it would interact with itself.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

But I like that stat, or the idea of having 9 Mannys. :)

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

would you rather have 9 manny's or 9 pedro's?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

9 pedro's, not even close

Pedro is one of the 5 or so best pitchers ever.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you'd be wasting your eighth and ninth pedros in middle of the bullpen, though

kidding

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defense rarely figures in the voting

Manny’s career hitting makes him an easy HOFer: 515 HR .313 AVG/ .410 OBP/ .591 SLG.

Manny has the 78th best AVG all time. He is 36th in OBP, and 8th in SLG. He is 10th in OPS, only Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Foxx, Greenberg, and Hornsby are better and in the HOF. Bonds, Pujols, and Helton are also better.

Nobody votes on defense.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

where does his OPS+ fall?

need to account for scoring environment (park, era)

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

25th

Good point.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tied with Frank Robinson

Who is in the Hall.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Manny is in the HOF

No doubt in my mind. But maybe his OPS+ will still fall a bit, if he plays until he’s 42/43. Not everybody is Barry Roids. :)

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i get that defense barely matters

but I’m talking actual production level here, not perceived production level

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow, a single for Tek

A legit hit too.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

STOP SUCKING MOMENTUM, DUSTY!!!!!

:)

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Come on. Halladay is not that dominating tonight.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Papi and Youk go back to back next inning.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This game is moving fast.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Both pitchers work fast

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Byrdman looking better

But the Jays offense is so bad that I just don’t know.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Byrd is leaving a lot of his pitches over a good chunk of the plate I have noticed

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He was out

Awful call.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It looked like a tie.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

The last replay clearly showed the ball in Casey’s glove with the runner’s foot in the air.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bay says fuck you to the Manny apologists.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bay; 2 hits

Halladay: 46 pitches.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Halladay is not on one of his best nights

Our bats are helping him a bit.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now would be a good time for his 2nd one

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Now would be a good time for Casey's 1st HR

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Halladay, 2 outs, Tek's up

See you guys in the 6th. :)

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That’s the game.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think I could throw a better change than that one

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

3-0

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i would rather seen buchholz pitch tonight.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice catch by ellsbury

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There were some awful calls in the 5th.

First, Lowrie was called out on a pitch outside the strike zone. Then Casey had a checked swing that was called a swing.

by 0157H7 on Aug 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Halladay is a great pitcher.

He’s really being wasted on the Blue Jays.

by 0157H7 on Aug 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the blue jays are underperforming their talent this year.

most smart power rankings have them top ten, even higher.

their skills lie outside of what the mainstream media finds sexy: deep rotation, strong bullpen, fielding.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, the Lowrie strikeout was a pitch on the outside corner

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Only the flawed Amica Pitchzone would say it’s outside

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Painful game

At least we knew it would be very hard for us to win this one. Let’s try to get the other 2, but pitching matchups do not look good.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ells leading off needs to stop for a while

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree, Ells is not a leadoff hitter yet.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how is he as a center fielder?

average? above-average? excellent?

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

Makes great grabs, and steals some hits. Doesn’t have a good arm, but better than Milky’s.

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Melky has a much better arm

But Melky is in Triple-A

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't take much to outhit Melky, either

throwing arm is overrated as an important skill, too. range is more important.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

God, I remember Milky with a weak arm. He really has a a good arm?

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by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is decent defensively with a pretty good arm

He’ll end up as a 4th OF.

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by Drugs Delaney on Aug 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's about league-average overall, so he deserves to start for some team

just not a team with a $200MM payroll or a team in serious contention.

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by Sky Kalkman on Aug 16, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sox will win tomorrow with Beckett on the mound, oh, and everytime Wells or Wilkerson makes a catch to rob the Sox of a hit, someone should stab them in the knee caps to deter them.

by redoctober on Aug 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs