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Easy Win for You guys on Wednesday

Tomorrow yall have Lester starting and we can't hit lefties all that well.

But more importantly Luis Mendoza is pitching for the Rangers, he is probably the worst "pitcher" in the majors this year, yet the great Rangers keep him in the rotation

Mendoza is in the top 5 of worst Ranger pitchers and let me tell you that is one BIG accomplishment, it takes persistence, never thinking about getting an out, and it takes the ability to aim a hanging pitch right down the middle.

so your welcome in advance for a blowout win....

oh and BTW would you guys do either of these trades: Clay Bucholz for Chris Davis? or Kinsler for Beckett?

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I could be wrong here

But I think Mendoza used to be on the Red Sox organization. Sort of a David Pauley/Kyle Snyder he seems.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

by MerryGoByeBye on Aug 13, 2008 2:18 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, he was. Traded for Gagne, I believe. I’m not sure how he made it to the majors; he didn’t even have good stuff in A-ball for the Sox.

by Randy Booth on Aug 13, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He wasn't traded for Gagne

We got Bryan Corey for him. He never really had much success in the minors. The only reason he’s in the majors now is because of how bad the Rangers’ pitching really is. I’m hoping for another big night offensively off of him tonight

by aspeninthewindow on Aug 13, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, yes, Mr. Corey. How we hardly knew thee…

by Randy Booth on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We saw enough to realize he wasn’t the answer.

by 0157H7 on Aug 13, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how bout mendoza for lugo, straight up?

by aspeninthewindow on Aug 13, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes yes yes

Feliz and Hurley. The 1-2 punch of the future

by Steal Home on Aug 14, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kinsler for Beckett?

Are you out of your mind? Not only do we already have a solid second baseman, but Beckett is an ace. No one is going to trade an ace straight up for a middle infielder who isn’t Hanley Ramirez.

by soxaholic on Aug 13, 2008 7:41 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ironic

Considering we did trade Hanley for Beckett

by Gnick on Aug 13, 2008 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That may have been the point

Beckett was the ace of the Marlins before they traded him to us

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 13, 2008 2:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the trades

I’m going to say no to both. Beckett is going nowhere. This year he’s been less impressive than he was in 2007, but he’s still a good pitcher. More importantly, he is the best active playoff pitcher in the game. He has three complete game shutouts in the playoffs and a 1.73 ERA. Kinsler’s a good player, but we already have a good second baseman, and Beckett would cost much more than Kinsler.

As for the Buchholz – Davis idea (note the two H’s in Buchholz), it doesn’t fit the Red Sox needs. We have a very good first baseman already in Youkilis, who can also cover third. Long-term we have heralded prospect Lars Anderson to cover first. Acquiring Davis in this context makes little sense. Also, Clay Buchholz, even with his recent struggles, is still one of the top pitching prospects in the game. His curve and change are plus plus pitches, and he has a decent fastball; Buchholz has dominated the minors throughout his entire career. Davis, from what I can tell, has only recently come onto the scene as a top player, starting the year in AA ball; he needs to repeat his performance to be worth Buchholz. I think the Sox are determined to hold onto Buchholz unless absolutely blown away by an offer – they aren’t going to trade him now, when he’s underperforming.

The Sox major area of need is catching, and here the Rangers and Sox match up well. Your farm system has several top catching prospects (Salty, Max Ramirez, and Teagarden); we have a deep farm system with plenty of pitching. I’d expect if the two teams make a trade, it’ll be centered around a Ranger catcher and a Sox pitcher (Bowden, Masterson, maybe Buchholz).

by 0157H7 on Aug 13, 2008 7:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't trust the Rangers after Gagne last year.

I don’t know why, but I think somehow the Rangers knew he was about to implode…

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 13, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weren’t there rumors Gagne had a bad arm when the Rangers traded him?...

by Randy Booth on Aug 13, 2008 10:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weren't their people at ESPN who hate the Red Sox [cough/Steve Phillips/cough] saying that it had healed and he would be great as a power pitcher at the back end of the bullpen?

That was one of the first times that I seriously starting doubting Phillips’ mental capacity. Although, he did get fired by the Mets for Omar Minaya…

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 13, 2008 10:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phillips

That was the first time you started questioning Steve Phillips? The man is a moron he should never be listened to.

by Gnick on Aug 13, 2008 2:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I usually didn't focus much on what he was saying...

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 13, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't recall any.

Theo DID talk with a scout about Gagne’s steroid use (as per the Mitchell Report), and the scout said “steroids IS the issue.” So they knew that at least going in.

by 0157H7 on Aug 13, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Gagne had sucked prior to the trade deadline. His July ERA was 4.35.

by 0157H7 on Aug 13, 2008 12:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then why the hell did we trade for him? I didn't get it then and still don't get the logic in this:

We get:
- bad reliever with roids issues and is trying to come back from major injuries
Rangers get:
- a young pitcher who had looked great in 7 starts (4-0, 3.73; allowed 3h 4x, 4h 1x, 6h 2x; CG SO 3 starts before trade)
- a good-great CF prospect who is now projected to be a .275, 20 HR, 10 SB, 100 RBI player
- another solid OF prospect.

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 13, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he still looked like he could help

Gagne had pitched amazingly last year before the trade. He had an ERA somewhere in the 2’s and a bunch of saves. It looked like he had finally overcome injuries, and though they were told steroids was THE issue, he obviously wasn’t taking them at the time of the trade. The guys we traded also weren’t expected to do this well. Gabbard was a sell-high guy for us who was expected to only be a 5th starter in the majors. There was a reason why we traded him when his numbers looked that good, we knew he would end up struggling, which is exactly what he’s done. Murphy was looked at as a 4th outfielder type of player in the majors, but he’s turned out to be much better than expected. Engel Beltre was one of those high upside players who could turn out to be great in three years, but also could turn out to never make the majors. The deal looked great when we did it, it just didn’t end up working out well for us.

by aspeninthewindow on Aug 13, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even disregarding that he made his debut on three days rest,

Zink isn’t even top-ten.

Note that two Rangers I’ve never heard of are in front of him…

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Aug 15, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes because

the ERA leader board is tantamount to a list of pitchers ranked in order of goodness, especially for pitchers who have a sample size of 2.67 innings.

My point was that as much as mendoza has struggled, stealie needs to look no further than this very series to see a pitcher who’s struggled worse. Heck even feldman’s debacle tuesday night merits some note, though it falls way short of canceling out his many solid performances when the rangers sounded the call of duty this year, just as Mendoza’s occasional quality outings should be taken into account too. He is clearly struggling and way over his head in the big leagues right now but calling him the worst pitcher in the majors is a joke!

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 15, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wasnt relying on anything!

my point was directed at stealie’s asinine claim about mendoza. i was not attempting to engender any sort of substantive discussion on what constitues being the worst pitcher in baseball and where zink fits in that discussion.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 15, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

relax

i’m a ball buster.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Aug 16, 2008 12:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give Zink a break:

1. 3 days rest
2. Was struggling in AAA before call up (common for a knuckler to go through bad stints)
3. MLB debut against top offense in the league (and he did well for a while until the Rangers figured out the knuckler)

Don't question my choice of teams, or I will have to go all troll on you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Aug 16, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fifth

You could tell after a couple runs scored he lost confidence and his knuckle had alot of spin on it. One of the reasons Wake is the best is because he doesn’t get flustered after a couple of runs scores, he just keeps at it and usually bounces back.

To ask a knuckle ball pitcher having his first MLB start against the best offense in the Majors to keep his cool after a couple of runs score is asking way too much. Not to mention what bs.uf15bosox9bears23 said.

by drabidea on Aug 17, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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