Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Randy Booth on Jul 31, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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OK, I'm heading out soon but when I get back we better have Jason Bay in left field. That's all I'm saying...
Here's an open thread for everything trade deadline. Admins may update this front page with the latest Manny Ramirez and other Sox news. If we don't jump on it quick, post everything in the comments. Here a news tip? Put it in the comments.
For once in recent memory, I hope the Sox win today (and yes, I'm speaking about winning the trade deadline).
Also folks: keep your eye on SBNation's Marlins and Pirates blogs at FishStripes.com and BucsDugout.com for more information.
UPDATE, 4:04 P.M.:
So the Bay to the Rays deal isn't official and the three-way MAY be back on. We still have some time to see if something is going to be announced...
UPDATE, 3:14 P.M. EDT:
Allen here. The Rays may have acquired Jason Bay, beating us to the punch. This is not yet confirmed, and is not yet accepted by my mind.
UPDATE, 1:55 P.M.:
Just my thoughts here, but ... I'm going not going to be very happy if Bay ends up with the Rays because the Marlins were holding up this trade. If Bay is a Ray, we're going to have an uphill climb to try and make the playoffs. The Marlins are being pesky and demanding so much that it could screw the Sox over and make the Rays king.
UPDATE, 1:46 P.M.: Deal dead?
Jayson Stark of ESPN says the deal could be dead:
In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren't too happy with either of them.
Damn Marlins. Their high demands for a prospect might have ended this trade (we're not giving up Justin Masterson). Manny still could be traded, even if it's not to Florida.
UPDATE, 1:26 P.M.:
If you don't have a Baseball Prospectus subscription, it's worth the money. That's my disclaimer before I start this. Will Carroll says the Pirates "appear to be going all or nothing" with Bay. He says the framework for the trade is in place but the holdup at this point is the prospects. With teams like the Marlins and Pirates involved, prospects are always going to be a hangup.
Carroll adds that even if Manny isn't traded to the Marlins, they're still going to try and move him. The Dodgers are still in the mix and a "mystery team" have been in talks. Matt Kemp's name is still being thrown out there.
UPDATE:
More of the same perhaps, but Ian Brown has more on a deal that definitely looks like it would be Manny to Florida, Bay to Boston and Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh. I'd love to get another solid prospect out of this though or a reliever that won't blow up like our last pitcher we received at the deadline from Pittsburgh (know the name Jeff Suppan?).
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The more I think about the Pirates asking for top prospects
The more I think we should tell them to go fuck themselves, and get Jeremy Hermida + another prospect from the Marlins.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading straight up with the Marlins doesn’t look doable, though. We’d probably need a third team.
by Randy Booth on Jul 31, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah pittsburgh demands arent making much sense to me. I guess in theo’s mind grabow and bay are like o-cab and doug m. But this is different…losing mannys bat is always a downgrade. On the other hand, if manny goes down for the rest of the season and grabow+bay= ring, theo is truly a witch.
by spinz on Jul 31, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like Pittsburgh isn’t making the demands, it’s the Marlins. Here’s a tidbit at BP:
Carroll: “It looks like slugger Mike Stanton is definitely out
and that Ryan Tucker is out unless the Marlins get a "plus prospect"
such as Justin Masterson in addition to Ramirez. This one could go
down to the wire.”
by Randy Booth on Jul 31, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny + Masterson?
That should be a non-starter. The Sox are not in such a great need to lose Manny that they have to send away a top pitching prospect.
by RickD on Jul 31, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah the idea that the sox would give up manny aaand one of their best prospects for a couple of decent veterans is totally rediculous to me. I wanted to see the sox make a move before the deadline, but i think they should just work with what they have.
by spinz on Jul 31, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t want Manny to piss and moan for the rest of the season. If he mashes, great. If he doesn’t, we’re done.
by Randy Booth on Jul 31, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just throw in...
...Papi, Youk, Drew, and Lester?
Why is every team the Sox propose to trade with demanding deals that even the most ignorant baseball fans around know would screw the Sox over?
by RSNexile on Jul 31, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
If this one is dead, what about some Matt Kemp?
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*Buzt* Would you like Andruw Jones with that? *Buzt*
by 0157H7 on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no
Fuck Jones. I can’t believe the Dodgers would really want us to pay his salary. I just can’t.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love getting Kemp, he’s doing good and has a lot of potential. He won’t replace the production Manny gives this year, but he’s a great long term solution and short-term solution at the same time
by Realistic on Jul 31, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
We’re not getting Bay, and most likely we’re keeping a player that doesn’t wanna play for us and hope that turns out ok. Wow. And I can’t see how Brignac beats Hermida, so fuck the Pirates.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny's not going anywhere
This was all a valiant effort by Epstein to keep Bay away from the Rays. OF COURSE the Pirates and Marlins were asking for all outdoors. There’s no denying Manny’s value, but as a major league douche, let’s face it, he’s damaged goods on the trade market. Gotta hand it to the Pirates for calling Theo’s bluff- they’ve got other suitors for Bay.
by puhleez on Jul 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They go Brignac
Really, if the other deal was true, then they got fucked in the ass real good, because Brignac is nowhere near the same player Hermida is. If the Marlins were really offering Hermida, then the Pirates are some dumb mfers. Which is nothing new.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay deal is not all done.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10 minutes to go, I guess
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm at least confident, re: Dodgers.
That we’ll get Kemp or not trade Manny to them. I can’t see Theo blinking first v. Ned Colletti.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Jul 31, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't Theo think about Adam Dunn?
Or did he think?
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure where the fit is without giving up a Masterson or Bowden.
Can’t imagine the Reds being interested in Manuel.
I suppose trading Manny to the Marlins and then flipping the return…but I’d almost rather just hang on to Hermida if that option is/was available.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Jul 31, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
I don’t know why the Pirates even got to this shit. But I heard the Marlins asked for more money. Man, that first deal with the Marlins looked so sweet.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Reds want 3 really good prospects for Dunn. He ain’t worth that. He ain’t worth a Bowden, Masterson and Anderson, etc.
by Randy Booth on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Heyman is reporting Manny is gone
Godspeed, Cap’n Jack.
It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.
by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 31, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NESN is reporting the Manny has been traded to the Dodgers http://www.nesn.com/content/redsox/story.aspx?content_id=42f4ac9d-3b19-4b5a-b7f7-042d8fc9433f
by Realistic on Jul 31, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we ended up with Bay after all, just that the Dodgers were the 3rd team instead:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkiKEiVa3MOzt_CjD_CEZnURvLYF?slug=txmannyramireztrade&prov=st&type=lgns
by Realistic on Jul 31, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the deal is the following:
Pirates get Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss from us and Andy LaRoche and pitcher Bryan Morris from the dodgers
We get Bay
Dodgers get Manny.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383
If this is true, Pirates made out good, LaRoche is gonna be nasty, Hansen may have just needed a change of scenery, and Moss is solid. I don’t know much about Morris
by Realistic on Jul 31, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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