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Rivalry Thoughts

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"The Thinker: A-Rod edition", via dugoutdiary.mlblogs.com

State of the Rivalry

So the Yankees come to Boston tonight. Color me nonplussed.

It's hard to get too excited about one Sox-Yankee series. In the media they are presented as critical to the division race. But this significance is way overstated. In 2007, the Sox lost 5 of the last 6 games they played against New York, and they still won the division by two games. The games against other teams are just as important.

A Sox-Yankee series doesn't ignite the same passions it used to. There's probably more animus between the Red Sox and the Rays right now than between Boston and the Bombers. Granted, the reception Jonathan Papelbon and his wife received in New York may lead to something in this series, but it seems doubtful (hard to blame the players for a situation the New York tabloids created).

Frankly, the Rays are a much more exciting rival. They have, get this, superb starting pitching, something the Yankees haven't had for at least five years. They also possess an offense that is young and not prone to injury, and a terrific defense (2nd in MLB in defensive efficiency, at .712).

That said, it would be a mistake to utterly dismiss the Yankees. Their record (56-45) is one game better than at this point last season (55-46). They could still go on a run, despite the serious injuries to Posada, Wang, and Matsui. With only Wang certain to return, the Yankees may need a lot more help to compete for a playoff berth.

At the Deadline

Historically, both teams have sought to address weaknesses before the trade deadline. In the past this lead to such exciting scenarios as the many Manny Ramirez trade requests, the acquisitions of Bobby Abreu and Roger Clemens, the trade for Eric Gagne, and others.

This year, the Hot Stove talk is focused on... [drum roll. Opens the hermetically sealed envelope. Dramatic pause.] ... Juan Uribe and Jarrod Washburn!!!

New York's top pitching prospects have been absolutely atrocious, with the exception of Joba, their 'ace' is the reanimated corpse of Mike Mussina and the Yankee FO thinks Washburn is the answer?!!

At least for Boston the lack of activity makes sense, since all of our needs can be addressed internally. Masterson and Bowden can help in the pen, and Ortiz's return (replacing Crisp in the lineup) should help the offense. Uribe's defense is very good, so he could make sense as a late-inning defender, taking the role of Alex Cora. I can't imagine him replacing Jed Lowrie though.

10 Things I Hate About Sox-Yankees Series

10. There is usually an ESPN game.
9. Derek Jeter is always smiling when the camera focuses on him. Always. Why is he always smiling?
8. Needless drama / hype from the media.
7. Joe Morgan and Jon Miller, gleefully rooting for New York.
6. Seeing the Red Sox fail to score runs against hittable pitchers like Mussina (or in this series, Ponson).
5. Knowing that Mariano Rivera's coming on for the save against the only three hitters in our lineup that can't hit him.
4. Derek Jeter.
3. Alex Rodriguez.
2. Alex Rodriguez. (As a two-timer, he counts twice.)
1. The Yankees don't suck. At least, not when we play them.

One more thing. You've seen the photo above. Now tell me, what is A-Rod really thinking?

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After 2004, I really don’t get as excited about the Sox-Yanks as I used to..I watch the Sox no matter what but it used to be ” oh I gotta watch the Sox-Yanks series!!!”- now I am like “meh”.

The Yankees dont $uck but they aren’t invincible either- in the past they always got the hit they needed or made they play they needed but once they collapsed in 2001 against Arizona it was like the floodgates are open… rebuilding I guess like everyone else…

Arod is contemplating highlighting his hair & a new lipgloss.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Jul 25, 2008 8:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"...but if Papi is put in the back in to the three-hole that might disrupt the tear

that JD’s been for the past few months because he’ll be pitched around more and given fewer pitches to hit and as much as I like Jacoby’s speed at the top of the order Youk has better contact skills though that might mess with the righty/lefty balance unless you slide JD into the twohole so to speak and there comes a time when you have to consider bringing up Dusty Brown and DFAing Cash even though Wake likes a caddy and Lowell is slumping a bit isn’t he wonder if this is the typical secondhalf swoon or just small sample size and…”

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JD has been cooling off

Here are Drew’s monthly splits:

April: 3 HR 13 RBI .269 AVG/.376 OBP/.410 SLG
May: 1 HR 9 RBI .296 AVG/.390 OBP/.408 SLG
June: 12 HR 27 RBI .337 AVG/.462 OBP/.848 SLG
July: 2 HR 8 RBI .241 AVG/.378 OBP/.466 SLG

While Drew is a good hitter, Ortiz is better. JD is an on base machine, but lacks the power to be a #3 or #4 hitter. He had an outstanding June. I don’t expect him to have another month like that. He put up Papi-like numbers. The Sox should return Ortiz to #3 and slot Drew in either #s 1-2 or 5-6.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 25, 2008 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you. But try telling A-Rod.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Jul 25, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree with the 10 things you hate about a Sox-MFY series

I still enjoy the rivalry. I will always enjoy beating the MFY, and would even if they were in last place. I hate everything about that team and their fans. For me, 2004 made the games less of a life and death struggle and, thus, somehow more enjoyable. The media coverage of the games annoys me, but the games don’t.

I wouldn’t be so quick to downplay Sox-MFY. I dislike the Rays (and also the Angels), but in a very different way. The chip Tampa has an its shoulder is annoying, as were the trolls that posted on this site. However, I have trouble taking them too seriously as there are probably only 100 or so confirmed Devil Rays fans. As for the Angels, I hate the Rally Monkey, the d-bags that post about east coast bias on HH, and the media love fest with Mike Scioscia’a managing. But nothing comes close to my hatred of everything about MFY and their fans.

Speaking of MFY fans, they may be a little less smug than they used to be. But I kind of like that. I work with a few of them. After the Sox won the WS last year a couple of them approached me and told me Boston was lucky we didn’t play the MFY on the playoffs last year. I laughed and told them we would have crushed them, winning the deciding game after Fat Roger Clemens left with his inevitable phantom post-season injury. They were indignant, informing me that the MFY won the season’s series from the Sox. So what, I informed them, the Sox won the season’s series in 1999 and lost in 5 games—and the MFY were undefeated in the regular season against Cleveland.

The rivalry with Tampa or any other team doesn’t come close.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 25, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We don't have a rivalry with Tampa

They lost yesterday to the ROYALS. They SUCK on the road far more than we do. I could be wrong about this, but at the end of the season look for the Red Sox and the Yanks at the top of the division.

Oh, and I also hate the Angels very much.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 25, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rays have sucked on the road, but this is no guarantee they will going forward. By Pythagorean record, they should be one behind the Yankees, just as the Sox should have won two more games.

Coco Crisp and James Shields might have something to say about the lack of a TB-Boston rivalry.

I don’t hate the Angels team. But some of their fans really get on my nerves, specifically the “stats don’t matter / Scioscia’s a GENIUS” crowd at Halo’s Heaven.

Also, this is the season for the Yankees to miss the playoffs, something I’ve been awaiting for several years. In the offseason they’ll sign either Sabathia or Sheets (both?), and possibly Teixeira as well, so I’m hoping the 2008 squad has a “lose-now” mentality, because it could be harder for them to lose going forward.

by 0157H7 on Jul 25, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should trade for Teixeira

Put him in first, Youk in right, slide J.D. over to CF, and bench Jacoby for a little while. He can still get ABs filling in for people and be a pinch runner or defensive replacement, but he’s killing us right now hitting wise.

by Gnick on Jul 25, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You WANT an OF of Manny, Drew and Youk?

Because that sounds ugly.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 25, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked your top ten, 0157, but...

..your opener - “So the Yankees come to Boston tonight. Color me nonplussed.” - has left me, uh, nonplussed. You see, nonplussed actually means perplexed or confused, not, as I believe you meant to say, unimpressed. Of course, I have been wrong before trying to piece together the King’s English from a member of RSN.

;)

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I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Jul 25, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Join the club...

Funny how your annoyance with the Rays sounds like the Yankee fan attitude toward the Sox pre-2004….an annoying mosquito buzzing around your ear, but of little consequence in the grand scheme of things. Now that the Sox’s 90-year rebuilding plan has finally taken hold, it’s time for Sox fans to grow up and act like you’re worthy of the classy team you support. Also, quit your cryin’ about announcer bias- I’ve chosen to turn the sound off when the Sox-Yanks are on FOX, rather than listen to Joe Buck and Tim McCarver verbally masturbate each other into ecstasy about how great the Sox are. For Buck, as a Cardinal fan, it’s clearly a case of penis envy (Yankees 26 WS, Cardinals 10) and sour grapes for McCarver after being canned as the Yankee color man a few years ago.

by puhleez on Jul 25, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lessons in class from 'puhleez'

Everybody pay attention.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jul 25, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we keep this somewhat appropriate?

I realize you MFY fans have bad ethics (screaming at pregnant women is not debatable in terms of appropriateness, so don’t try), but talking about announcers like this is way out of line – unless their names are Joe “Migraine” Magrane and Dewayne “ManPerm” Staats. Then we are all free to bash them and hope they get fired for sexual abuse or something like that. They try to create a rivalry between the Sox and the Rays by pissing off any of the Nation located in the Bay Area. Just because we live their doesn’t mean we should have to like your team, people don’t always make the decision to move themselves.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 25, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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