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Sox eyeing Big Tex?

The Red Sox are among many clubs closely monitoring Mark Teixeira, who is approaching free agency and could be dealt this month unless Atlanta's fortunes take a dramatic turn for the better. The Sox' interest in the switch-hitting first baseman indicates some concern about the health of designated hitter David Ortiz, who has not played since the end of May because of a wrist injury.

-- Boston Herald

Is the Sox' intention a 3-month rental to power into (and through) the post-season, or would they try to sign Teixeria to a long-term deal? Given the prohibitive prospect demands, you have to believe it's the latter. Where does that leave the Sox roster? We just re-signed fan-favorite Mike Lowell to a multi-year deal and Youkilis has come into his own as a tremendously valuable 1B. I can't see the Red Sox dealing either of those two. Could Teixeira or Youkilis be shifted to LF, signifying the end of Manny's Red Sox tenure? It's hard to see where Teixeira would fit in.

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I don’t see how a player of Teixera’s calliber would fit in with this team. Sure he is a great hitter, but he wouldn’t improve any of the weaker position players.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Jul 10, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youk

Youk has actually been more valuable than Teixeira this season in terms of VORP.

by Gnick on Jul 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Manny is gone, and if Youk can play LF

I’m all in for Teixera at first. Otherwise, we do not need him.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 10, 2008 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for Tex.

With Mark Teixeira, the Sox can do several things. So long as Ortiz is out of the lineup, Teix can switch off with Youk and Lowell as DH. This puts Manny back in the outfield, and pushes Crisp out of the line-up.

When Ortiz returns, they can use Youk as a supersub (LF, 1B, 3B, DH, maybe even RF?) to rest the others. Long-term, I see Lowell’s production tapering off. When that happens, Youk moves to third and Tex is the starting 1Bman.

by 0157H7 on Jul 11, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s a good “perfect world” scenario, but I don’t think Youk would want to be Mr. Supersub. It’s hard to get a consistent groove going and would prove to be a mental distraction from whatever he does to prepare now. I would expect Youk’s defense and maybe even plate production to decrease.

If Ortiz can’t play, put Youk in LF and Teixeira at 1B. You only hit a conundrum if Papi returns at 80%+ strength. You don’t want to bench anyone.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 11, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we talk about it...

like it’s a possibility. he won’t come as a FA (the sox CAN afford boras.. but they won’t risk 10 years on a guy that has repeatedly said he hates boston media).

trade options for a half-season… well. the sox would have to replace the supplementary picks the braves would lose by giving him up. lars anderson, maybe oscar tejeda type guys. young prospects with high ceilings. Boston could replace them with the supplemental picks they would receive when tex hits the FA market. Then boston has to add something ot the package to make it worth more, most likely older mid-level prospects similar to kason gabbard and david murphy. brandon moss, coco crisp, jed lowrie, justin masterson, and maybe craig hansen are all options.

moss and crisp fill the braves’ needs in the OF, but neither has enough value on their own.

if the braves believe they can harness hansen’s slider, and that masterson can be a #2 (not the mid-rotation guy he projects to be), then those two would be good additiosn for the braves side. but this deal would be geared towards teh sox current seasons, and both of these guys are essential elements of this shaky bullpen, so it’s unlikely they’d want to give up either of them to bolster an offense that’s already 3rd in runs scored.

jed lowrie is probably hte best prospect we have that hte FO is willing to deal. problem is, the braves have yunel escobar and kelly johnson up the middle already, both young guys. if the braves don’t believe in johnson at 2b long term, lowrie would be appealing, but johnson has proven he has potential to be a very solid hitter… so, this isn’t a very good fit.

in other words… the sox and braves don’t make very good trade partners. that means tex only comes to boston as a free agent, replacing manny’s salary and production for hte next few years. can theo & co convince him that it’s not such a bad place after all? i doubt it. but let’s assume they do sign him. dealing with boras, we’re tlaking about 10 years at least 20 million average. the sox can afford it, but is it worth the risk that he flops in the market, leaving them with a huge untradeable contract?

let’s assume he does come…
moving youk to left field would be a terrible move. see if tex can play OF. youk is one of hte best defensive corner infielders around (if not the best), and lowell has the highest career fielding percentage of any third basemen ever. LF is a lot easier to play than 1B, so see how tex fits out there with the wall.

by jjbooth74 on Jul 11, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why move youkilis to left field?

Given that Youkilis is a brilliant defender, wouldn’t it make more sense to move Teixeira to left field?

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

The idea of using Youk as a ‘supersub’ is very odd. OK, go ahead and tell the guy who’s starting in the all-star game that he’s going to be a ‘supersub’. Youk has earned the 1b spot, and he’s very good at it.

by RickD on Jul 11, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Teixeira also

is a Gold-Glove First baseman. It makes more sense to move Youk because he can play other positions Tex hasn’t played OF since 2004.

by 0157H7 on Jul 11, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Teixeira any more mobile than Manny?

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing to consider

If the Sox are intending to make a run this year, which we have to assume they are: Youk tends to break down in the second half. So high energy every play/AB, he can’t seem to sustain it for a whole season. So his gaudy numbers offensively are almost certainly going to drop off to a more typical .285/.385/.450 mark. Still not too shabby, but let’s be realistic and not think Youk is a 25-30 homer guy who will continue to hit over .300. Tex, on the other hand, if I recall correctly (and I’m not positive that I do), seems to typically have strong second halves of the season, for whatever reason. Just something to throw into the mix.

by sggut95 on Jul 12, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but this year...

youk has a reliable backup (casey), unlike years past… so he’s actually getting enough off days. we’ll see if that has an effect down the stretch

by jjbooth74 on Jul 12, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

career #s in the second half
Youk: .244 .351 .384 [First half: .308 / .400 / .493]
Teixeira: .293 / .378 / .561 [First half: .277 / .366 / .511]

Another consideration – Teixeira (28) is a year younger than Youk (29).

by 0157H7 on Jul 12, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at their career numbers

Teixeira: .284/.371/.533, .301 career EqA, 6 WARP last season
Youk: .286/.383/.455, .297 career EqA, 6.7 WARP last season

They look pretty much equal, but look closer:

Youk: 3 mil this year.
Teixeira: 12,5 mil, and want well more.

The point is: Teixeira to replace Manny some day: Good idea. Teixeira to replace Youk: Not so much.

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 12, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ideally I’d have Youk at 3B and Tex at 1B. While I like Lowell, I don’t think he has as much value or potential as these two going forward.

by 0157H7 on Jul 12, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

I agree, but we just signed Lowell…

It's the same old story. Boy finds girl, boy loses girl, girl finds boy, boy forgets girl, boy remembers girl, girls dies in a tragic blimp accident over the Orange Bowl on New Year's Day.

by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 13, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think..

... this really hinges on whether Papi will be healthy when he comes back. If the Sox think he may need to be shut down, I think they’ll make a run for Tex. If they can count on Papi even at 3/4 health, I think they’ll stand pat. Which is not to say they might not make a run at Tex in the offseason, thinking his salary will replace Manny’s. That would mean the Sox don’t pick up Manny’s option. Youk could certainly hold down left for a couple years, until Lowell is ready to pack it in, at which point, he could move back to third.

by sggut95 on Jul 13, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t think Teixeira fills an organizational need at this time. I guess we’ll see if the F.O. gets creative.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 15, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got it

We can just put Ortiz at SS.

by drabidea on Jul 15, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He always wanted to play SS.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Jul 17, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if the Sox needed a Goalie Ortiz could help out.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 16, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or maybe the pats would be up for a trade? i hear their goalie is pretty good, and they could use a new SS…

by jjbooth74 on Jul 16, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we can trade Cora for a better power forward. The Sox don’t really have one since Kapler left.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 17, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Third Team?

Could we get a third team involved and trade Lowell and young players for Tex? This would help out because Youk can stay and play third.

Just think what we would be in the next few years if this could happen and we resigned Tex, Pedoria, Youk, Ells, Lowrie, Papelbon.

by Bama Sox on Jul 23, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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