Red Sox at the Trade Deadline: What needs to be done?

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With CC Sabathia being dealt to Milwaukee and Rich Harden going to the Cubs, I feel like the Red Sox are out of the mix. When are the Sox going to make a big move? Do the Sox even need to make a big move?
This team has had its ups and downs this season, but I sort of feel like not a lot needs to be done at the trade deadline. The obvious concern at this point is a reliever. But, as we've seen in years past, there aren't many quality relievers out there for the taking. But with Justin Masterson heading to the pen, where do we sit? Personally I think, although it's been ugly out there, all the pitchers will level out and start pitching like we're used to seeing. And if that's true, we're in good shape.
Do we need a starter? I don't think so. We have our obvious starters, plus a lot of good arms in the minors like Michael Bowden, David Pauley, Charlie Zink (YES!) and if we really run into trouble we can put Masterson back into the rotation.
If we're focusing on the lineup, the only position we could really replace would be Julio Lugo at shortstop (we're not moving Captain, got it?). And you all know my thoughts on who should be Boston's shortstop.
I like our bench, too. Sean Casey is solid and I've been pleasantly surprised with Kevin Cash's work behind the plate and swinging the bat. He hasn't been great, but he could be a lot worse.
Part of me feels like this year's trade deadline will be a lot like last year's, minus that whole Eric Gagne fiasco (which, I still say, was a good trade at the time and, had he been good, we would have won the World Series ... oh, wait). Do we really need to make a splash? I don't think so, but we could.
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If we're trading for a SS
It better be José Reyes. Vizquel sucks these days, he really does. And I know Reyes could be a dumbass sometimes, but if we could get his attitude straight it would be so sweet.
I’m okay with our team. If Ortiz is out for more than we expect, trade for Adam Dunn. That dude would be an amazing DH in the AL.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 10, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why, oh why, would the Mets trade Reyes? He’s a franchise cornerstone.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Jul 10, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets wouldn't do it
I know, it’s the only part of my plan that doesn’t work. :)
But if we’re talking crazy, that it better be a great player. Like Reyes.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 10, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox are in a good spot
The Red Sox have a good lineup. We’re 3rd in runs scored, across both leagues, behind Texas and the Cubs. And that has been without Papi Grande. That even includes the dubious contributions of the oft-maligned Julio Lugo and lifeless Jason Varitek. There’s been a lot of whining and complaining going on around here about “the bottom three,” but how can you truly be upset when your team is 3rd in runs scored?
The Sox have also been playing average defense, again, despite the oft-maligned Julio Lugo. We have .984 FPT in a 4-way tie with Baltimore, TB, and Seatlle. Boston’s 54 errors are distinctly league-average. There are a lot of teams in the low-to-mid 50 range. I, for one, expect Lugo’s defense to improve as he focuses on that. He had a very good defensive year in ‘07.
If the Front Office was not prepared to deal for Johan Santana I don’t think any deal to bolster the rotation is forthcoming. We could always use another ace, but the one thing that we don’t need this year is depth. We have seven quality arms (Beckett, Dice-K, Wakefield, Lester, Buchholz, Colon, Masterson) before we have to dip into the less talented and/or experienced minor league reserves. I don’t think a veteran journeyman is going to do any better than a Buchholz/Colon/other-prospect combination.
That leaves us with the bullpen. This is really the only area that the Sox could stand to improve. I think that Okie-Dokie could stand to have a DL stint to physically and mentally rest up and recover.
Overall, the Red Sox pitching staff (starters and relievers combined) have a .245 BAA. That’s tied for 3rd best in MLB with the Cubbies. Only the Oakland A’s and the TB Rays fare better (.236 and .240, respectively).
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Jul 10, 2008 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane is selling the A's
So the Sox should prepare to go after either Huston Street and/or Bobby Crosby. We would not have to sacrifice many prospects for Crosby and Street would command only one top-tier prospect. This is where the Sox need to bring a package together with Lowrie and Hansen and lower prospects for these two.
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by sox-inda-south on Jul 10, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Street, not Crosby
Huston Street would be a nice addition, but I’m not so sure Crosby would be an improvement over Lugo. His career batting average sits at a sub-par .243 and is subject to around 20-24 errors a season. Plus he hasn’t played more than 100 games since his rookie year in 2004. He’s on the DL right now with a hamstring issue. Not worth it giving up Lowrie/Hansen for this guy.
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by mystman995 on Jul 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think the A's are selling
Although they did trade away Harden I think the A’s are most likely punting this year in preparation for a run at the playoffs next year. Which would mean they most likely would want to hang on to Street and Crosby.
by Gnick on Jul 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the As are always selling
At least that’s what it seems like.
by RickD on Jul 10, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowrie + Hansen for Street
Done in a heartbeat.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Jul 11, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Fuentes
Could be a good addition. I know Colorado is interested, but he might be a little pricey.
by MSsox on Jul 10, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Lugo, Eat Money
I think the best move the team could make by the deadline would be to move Lugo for a reliever even if they have to eat some cash to do so. Sorry, but I never really liked Lugo.
I think Lowrie can handle the job and Cora could play more often as a back up if the kid struggles from time to time. They should treat him like they did with Pedroia last April (if necessary). A reliever for Lugo and Masterson in the pen would be a big help.
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by PeterSchiller on Jul 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait until the last minute for a reliever.
I don’t think Lugo can or will heat up, but as far as a reliever goes I’d like to see how Masterson can handle the new spot before the Sox go out and sell out the farm. Make some judgement calls after we all see what he can do in relief and then make the important decision to whether or not go out and get another reliever.
This roster can and will compete for another ring. I don’t know if it’s wise to freak-out at the overhyped July 31 trade deadline.
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by mystman995 on Jul 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
julio lugo
why dont they try and trade him for a reliver and then just bring up jed lowrie to play SS that would be som much better then we cant get critzied for buy our players if we bring up a home grown boy
by soxfan342433 on Jul 10, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About playing Lowrie
Not going to happen, because we don’t know if he can play SS at ML level. You know what’s more likely? Move Pedroia to SS, and let Lowrie play 2B. Which is not going to happen as well.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't even think about moving Pedroia
Not in the middle of the season. He’s playing at an all-star level at 2b, a move might not only lead to defensive problems but it could affect his hitting. (I don’t think it would, but you never know…)
by RickD on Jul 10, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No market
For a shortstop who can’t field and doesn’t do much with the bat. Toronto wants a SS, but Lugo’s no better than Eckstein. Dodgers need a SS, but they already tried Lugo and didn’t like him. Plus, he’s not exactly cheap.
by sggut95 on Jul 10, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by JoyOfSoxFilm on Jul 10, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
big move for the second half
Maybe if the Sox could get a big bat to put in the middle of the lineup. No need for defense, but somebody who can get clutch hits, including HRs.
You know, somebody like David Ortiz.
Seriously, the “big move” could simply be getting injured people back off the DL. If Papi and Manny hit well, and Drew, Youk, and Dusty keep it up, there will be plenty of hitting. And that just leaves the problem of middle relief.
As for that problem, I would assume Oki will return to form and that we’ll get enough from Lopez and Aardsama and Masterson, when he comes back to the majors.
by RickD on Jul 10, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The key is Papi. The Sox’ FO will most likely stand pat, unless they feel Ortiz won’t be able to come back. Even then, though, I can’t see the Sox making a big move that involves shipping out a lot of prospects and taking on a big salary. This organization thinks long term. They aren’t going to panic. The FO is as worried about next year and the year after as they are about the stretch run in 2008. That’s why Buchholz was shut down when he reached his innings cap last year, even though the team could have used another arm for the playoffs.
Think of some of the recent moves and non-moves made by the Sox. Here are two examples: They didn’t budge on Santana. Buchholz was untouchable and there is some debate on whether or not Lester or Ellsbury was even offered. As for the Gagne trade-a trade they made because of Donnelly’s injury and worries about Oki-they didn’t part with anyone they were committed to. They had Ellsbury and Moss rated higher than Murphy (and Drew and Manny under contract). Gabbard had numerous arm surgeries and wasn’t a top 5 pitching prospect in the organization. The only potentially big player they traded in the deal was Engel Beltre, a 17-year old OF who is years away from the majors. The Sox were hoping Gagne would shore up the pen and then walk, netting two draft picks that would probably lead to players as good as Murphy or Gabbard. Unfortunately, Gagne sucked and hurt his free agent compensation value.
I think those examples point to what kind of move the Sox will end up making, despite any media-driven rumors or the wishes of jittery Sox fans. If they can get another decent bullpen arm cheaply, I’m sure they try to make a deal (like every other team in the majors). I don’t expect any major moves.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 10, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of this.
However, acquiring another big bat could be an example of long-term thinking as well, if the Sox don’t want Manny for 2009. The organization was willing to pull the trigger to acquire Josh Beckett, despite trading Hanley Ramirez, a 5-tool player and highly-rated prospect. (Epstein didn’t make that trade, but he regularly consulted with the temporary GMs at that time, and probably had significant input on it.)
by 0157H7 on Jul 10, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
I think the major bats that might be available – Tex and Holliday – are both FAs after this season, and both are Boras clients, so neither would really be long-term, as its unlikely they’d sign without hitting the open market anyways.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jul 10, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't we be rooting for a sudden emergence of a leader in the NL West?
If the Padres fall out, SS Khalil Greene could be a possible option, no? He signed a 2 year contract in February according to ESPN, so it could be a short term option, too.
If the Giants fall out, P Tim Lincecum would be an alternate to getting the Japanese pitcher and he has MLB experience.
The Rockies could be a source of many trade possibilities too: SS Tulowitzki, OF Holliday, 3B Atkins (Lowell can’t last forever), RP Herges, Fuentes, and Corpas, and C Iannetta.
The Dodgers or the DBacks need to get ahead by a large margin, and soon.
PS: The Sox would be nowhere w/o Tek. He is responsible for at least half of the wins this year with his work BEHIND the plate. Give him a break.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 10, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum and Tulo
Now THAT’S talking crazy.
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by MerryGoByeBye on Jul 10, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Though what about Barmes, is he any good? He had half a good season a couple years back, before getting hurt.
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by tommy.otm on Jul 10, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the heat is getting to people 'round here
There have been a number of crazy suggestions. Why don’t we just trade Alex Cora for Albert Pujols and be done with it?
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by SoxDevil on Jul 11, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
But then where would we put Derek Lee, who we traded Lugo for? Not in the outfield because then we would have to move Grady Sizemore who we traded Timlin for?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Barmes that crazy?
I didn’t know he was so highly regarded, and I figured he was relegated to the bench behind Tulo.
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by tommy.otm on Jul 11, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked pretty good against the Mets with the web gems
but he couldn’t do much with the bat. Still better than Lugo though.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 12, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe trade Manny?
The Giants could give us Lincecum and SS Emmanuel Burriss for Manny, Masterson, and we could agree to help eat some of Zito’s busted contract.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa… Half the wins? Varitek must have like 30 win shares. 8 years at 40M per, anyone?
by Charger567 on Jul 11, 2008 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Or 'biscuit' as I like to say.
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by britsoxfan on Jul 11, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lugo as Outfielder
If you look at this page, Lugo appears to a decent outfielder. He has never had an error in 17 games, which isn’t saying much, but it could make him a more attractive prospect for a trade if we put him in for Coco every once in a while. He has done really well on catching pop flies and leaping grabs, no?
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 11, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
arm strength and RF
or, lack thereof.
0.81 RF in left, 2.11 in right, and 0 in center. not exactly very promising numbers.
also don’t forget that most of his errors at short come on erratic throws to first, which is not that much different from getting the ball in from the OF for an assist. granted, there are WAY fewer assist plays in the OF than there are for a SS, but the weak arm and complete inaccuracy hardly builds potential as an OF.
by jjbooth74 on Jul 11, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though
OFs don’t make the snap throws that infielders make. Manny being the exception.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Jul 11, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Manny’s deceptive “I’m gonna gun you down throw.” He’s a bad man.
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by SoxDevil on Jul 15, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If one is going to trade...
One has to put either a good prospect or two on the table or a decent player to get something redeemable in return. Much like Seattle would love to get rid of Jose Vidro, but what team in their right mind would trade for a .217/ 6hr DH??\
The Sox need middle relief. Okajima isn’t cutting it right now, which I believe why Masterson is coming back a relief pitcher, he may be the bridge to Papelbon.
The two best trade prospects to me are Crisp and Okajima. Mainly their contracts are still not Giambi like, that some teams are willing to give a couple good prospects. Teams aren’t exactly wild to give up players for Lugo with his contract and sub par fielding. Another person who may be worth something is Declarmen, even though the Sox should keep him at all cost.
I think the teams that the Sox should talk to are the Mariners, if they can get anything for Brandon Morrow, Dodgers for some of their talent in their farm system, Florida, who are always trying to find a deal, and every other team that needs hitting. I can see the Dodgers or the Padres looking for someone like Crisp.
However thinking that Jose Reyes or other crown jewels in a MLB team's crown is going to be traded is flight of fantasy, might as well ask for Hanley Ramirez back
by superferret on Jul 11, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Okajima is indispensable to the Red Sox. He may not be lights-out right now, but he’s been dominant during his time here. The Sox need more help in the bullpen, not less. You have to wait and hope for Oki to get back on track.
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by SoxDevil on Jul 15, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if epstein was to even look at the market for shortstops
it doesn’t make sense to make a move for a veteran shortstop, why go in that direction when we already have two in lugo and cora?
if the sox were to go in the ss direction they need to go young. i like jed lowrie but i agree with some other members that he seems like a better fit playing second in the majors. i’m not saying trade him, just that he’s not a definite solution at ss as of yet.
i don’t think reyes would be a possibility, he’s just too valuable to a mets team that doesn’t have an immediate replacement waiting in the minors and needs to hold onto their young talent, especially with a new ballpark opening next year…
the most appealing young shortstop to me would be one of our own former prospects, hanley ramirez, i was hoping the marlins would follow their normal tactics and dump him off for prospects once his contract expired, but seeing as how he just signed a surprisingly large contract extension with florida it appears my dream of getting hanley back won’t be happening…
i’ve heard other names thrown around, no to khalil greene and no to bobby crosby, they’re not that much of an upgrade from lugo. so that leaves one attractive option in my eyes, the milwaukee brewers and jj hardy, i say this because it’s the most realistic yet still rewarding deal, if you have followed recent reports revolving around the brewers and the deal for sabathia and other recent trade rumors, they have a prospect named alcides escobar at shortstop in the minors who apparently is untouchable to their front office. that leads me to believe that hardy will become available in the near future, because if this escobar kid is good enough to be labeled “untouchable” then he’s not gonna be suiting up in the minors that much longer…
hardy is only twenty five, he’s puts up solid numbers the past couple years which i’m sure he will only build on and he’s just as good defensively as lugo if not better. i’ve always liked him since i first saw him come into the league and i think he would look good in boston and fit our needs at that position greatly, a hardy-pedroia middle infield, double play combo sounds damn good to me…
i don’t expect everyone to agree with me, i just don’t see that many top tier options at shortstop that we be able in the next couple years that wouldn’t require a huge trade or huge sum of money a la reyes, ramirez, or young, thoughts guys?
by djsully12 on Jul 24, 2008 4:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gagne Trade Was Smart
The thing I don’t hear enough people mention is that the Red Sox had to unload talent, to free up space on the 40 man roster. Murphy and Gabbard were both going to be gone in rule 5 draft at some point. By trading for an expiring contract (like the NBA) you get younger talent you can stash without adding to the roster. Keep in mind Gabbard was somewhere between the 7th and 10th best starter going into 2008, and likely still would not be ahead of Buchholz/Masterson/Colon. I would have liked to see Pauley go instead of Gabbard, but maybe the draft picks from Gagne will be good. Murphy was blocked forever. Drew and Ellsbury are here a long time, and Moss/Crisp/Ramirez/Carter/Bailey are all just as good or better than Murphy’s real value to the team. At some point you have to realize guys won’t play for you and get value for them before it’s too late.
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