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Some a little sore after Lester's no-no

Not the best road to go down, in my opinion:

Jon Lester "Beat" Cancer...

... and anyone who hasn't, or didn't, or isn't going to, is just a loser. They couldn't beat it. They obviously weren't as tough as Lester or maybe they just didn't want it enough. If only all those 55 year old women dying of breast cancer were as gutty and gritty and as inspirational as Jon Lester, a world-class athlete with access to the best care in the world, in his twenties. If only they had the heart, the courage, to do what Lester did they could have won too.

 

(Reducing human experience to sports metaphors is dumb. Cancer is not a game, it is not an opponent. You don't beat it and it doesn't beat you. You don't win or lose. You survive. Or you don't.)

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I got a little 'disappointed' reading some stuff over there

Ok, they’re mad because their team suck. Still, that’s no excuse for this kind of shit. Even to try and make little of what Lester did or to have some ‘small market’ paranoid crap is classless. But this one about Lester’s disease is downright stupid.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on May 20, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah you got it

we are all upset that are team isnt the greatest….yeah you got it right on. But if you actually were able to read past a fifth grade level you would realize that what he is saying is that cancer has defined this guy as a pitcher. He was good before cancer, and he’s been good after cancer. Everybody is using cancer to define his career, when is reality his world series appearance and no-no should are better suited.

Being a Red Sox fan, in all its glory, is actually really easy. Your argument here would be that it took forever for you guys to win a world series again. You were competitive, yeah, but the “curse” has kept you close but not close enough. Give me a break. You dont know heartache or disappointment. Try over a decade of finishing at the bottom in your division, seeing your best players get traded for Neifi perez garbage, a perenial youth movement, and many upon many prospects that didnt live up to hype year after year and still remain a die hard fan.

by royalsfan03 on May 20, 2008 6:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On my first post, I didn't explain myself well enough

I read some posts from the gamethread over at RR, and ALL OF THEM were all about how bad the Royals are. As for me, I think there are about 10 teams worse than the Royals, so you could say that I call them average. This was half of the posts, on how bad the Royals are. The other half was some rant against how the media would coverage the no-hitter. You know, ESPN S-U-C-K-S, and it did suck long before this no-hittter, and it will keep sucking long after nobody even remember it. But that’s common knowledge, no reason to point that up.

That’s what I didn’t get right. The cancer related post is stupid, because simply it was a bad argument. He is indeed saying how all of us keep praising Lester for beating cancer as much as anything related to him. And while that’s questionable, it’s admirable how he battled it and came back to do what he likes to do. That’s all. No reason to be killing 55 years old women, or to compare 2 different kinds of cancer, or to treat his disease like it was a flu or something. If ESPN does anything further than that, just write them off as ESPN being ESPN. :)

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on May 20, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh,

speaking as an RRer, I wonder if you might have missed the point here. No one’s making light of cancer, nor does this spring out of a particular soreness after the no-hitter. I mean, it’s great for Lester, and I, personally, am happy for the guy even if it came at the Royals’ expense.

I believe Will and others felt as if the focus is-rather oddly-staying on Lester’s cancer and not simply acknowledging how cool a baseball accomplishment this was. In other words, the MSSM here has a tendency to latch onto the human interest angle when I’d rather just see this covered as what it was: an awesome day for Jon Lester on the pitcher’s mound.

I believe you may have said quite nearly the same thing in your post on the no-hitter. At this point, maybe even Lester might be sick of hearing about the cancer.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 20, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is a debate to be had around

the media’s coverage of cancer and illness, and inspirational sports stories, and so forth. Some of it is excessive, and saccharine, and unrealistic – and even Lester has, in his polite, classy way, expressed his wish that he be asked fewer questions about his illness and recovery.

But whichever way you slice it, Lester’s is a massively inspirational story, which one must assume could be a beacon of hope for young people in a similar position.

I had written a long response to RR’s post, but have decided against posting it. I feel he misses the point, or makes his point badly, but there’s no point (again with the points) in going toe to toe over something like this.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on May 20, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There certainly isn't any bad feeling

from us at RR towards Jon Lester or you all here at Over The Monster. I believe the critique was intended more towards the way the sports media falls in love a bit too much with human interest stories. Anyways, I can’t speak for Will, but I know him well enough to say he’s certainly not railing against a cancer survivor here.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 20, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well put

and that’s what I’m getting at. Just because I disagreed with the semantics of the argument, I wasn’t going to open up the sore.

Cancer is a personal issue for just about everybody, and it elicits a range of emotional and intellectual responses. Now, if that wasn’t the most pompous thing I’ve ever written…

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on May 20, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably best.

And I like your sig line. :)

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 20, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If...

one kid in east jabru finds some motivation, someone to look up too or identify with, bc he also has cancer and sees Lester’s performance, I think all the hype that ESPN, the blogs and everyone is making about Lester and cancer is worth the over saturation and I am happy to pile more praise to the spoiled rich kid with cancer who pitches for the Red Sox.

Please stop this debate, its very short sighted and I would hope beneath any fan, Royal or Red Sox or anyone.

I cannot believe anyone would be a big enough douche bag to find something negative in the Lester story. Baffles me why anyone would post this crap.

Focus on your terrible owner, your horrible fan base(every time I see a Royal’s home game, nobody is in the stands) and your team’s decision to not compete every year.

When does the fire sale start?

by SoxAcumen on May 20, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really have a problem with it

RR has a point—as much as we all love baseball here, it’s trivial compared to cancer. Fighting cancer isn’t a competition, and there are no winners.

On the other hand, Lester is an inspiration to anyone who has been stricken by cancer. Thirty years ago, you’d hear “cancer” and know it was a death sentence. That someone can not only survive it, but also pitch the clinching game of the World Series and throw a no hitter afterward is a testament to the possibilities created by modern medicine. And while it’s certainly true that not everyone has the kind of access to state-of-the-art healthcare that Lester had, maybe that can help serve as a rallying point so we can work toward the day when no one will ever have to die simply because they were too poor to afford to pay for life-saving treatments.

by RSNexile on May 20, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understood exactly what the author was going for, that wasn’t the point of me posting this item. The point is, did the author write the same thing when Lester first beat cancer? No. He wrote it the day after Lester beats his team. My point is that he wouldn’t have written it at all if his team wasn’t the victims of the no-hitter. If the Sox had done that to the Yankees, he wouldn’t have written about it. That’s where the whole “sore losers” thing comes to play.

But like I said, I understood his point, but it all comes about because he hates it was done to his team.

by Randy Booth on May 21, 2008 12:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just in case anyone doubted that cancer patients themselves find Lester's story inspirational

Just in case there are any people out there who still doubt that Lester’s story is inspirational to the members of the cancer community (and thus has not been overplayed), here’s an article from the Seattle Times touching upon how Lester himself, his father, and the Seattle Community have been impacted by Lester’s recovery.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/larrystone/2004427795_stone21.html

Just one example from the story:

“Last year, Lester was deemed cancer-free by his doctors at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. Though he has yearned to be regarded as just another pitcher, minus the attendant scrutiny of being a recovered cancer patient, his father believes the no-hitter might mark a distinct change in his son’s outlook on that subject.
“He might be able to accept that he means more to people than just being a major-league pitcher,” Lester’s father said. “I read a lot of stuff today online from cancer patients, how much this means to them.”
Case in point: Just this week, Jon met with a Red Sox minor-league prospect who had just been diagnosed with lymphoma. The youngster’s father told John Lester how much it meant for his son to talk to Jon and realize that the disease could be beaten — and how Jon had done it.”

Just FYI, since Lester is a local boy from the PNW, there are many folks from Seattle rooting for him and the Sox. Good luck this year guys, and thanks for hosting an enjoyable blog to visit.

Cheers,
Jeff
(first by way of Seattle, and now via Tokyo)

by TokyoBoSoxFan on May 21, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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