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I'm insane?

All right. I've got kind of a radical idea, but not, about this David Ortiz situation.

DL him. 15 days. Call it his knee, it's believable. No team in the history of the universe of ever of all-time has ever been completely honest about the DL. Hell. It might BE honest to list him "15 day-DL, knee". He's gotten into a funk, and I'm not on the "work through it" bandwagon. I think he needs a decent-sized mental rest, followed by some intense sessions with Magadan about his stance and how he's not able to do anything with pitches on the outside part of the plate.

Bring up Brandon Moss, and rotate Manny to DH for most of the games, with possibly Drew and Youks getting a game or two apiece as well. Think about how good a defensive OF (especially in non-Fenway parks) we'd have with Moss-Coco/Ells-Drew, all while Papi is getting his head straight. This isn't the kind of guy for whom this would hurt his confidence. He's not fragile in that department, but I think he might be overthinking himself at the plate. Get it done. Agree? Disagree?

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Absolutely agree...

For now, we seem to be able to scotch tape a line-up togeher around Scrappy-Doo, J.D., Being, and Youk. Opting for the DL really costs us little in terms of offense at the moment, would get Moss some exposure to major league pitching in order to (hopefully) raise any trade value in the future, and would also let the weather warm up some – which would be helpful if Papi has lingering soreness.

Besides which, Beckett’s playoff last year have made me a believer in the potential autumn benefits of a DL stint – if your team can afford it. Of course, Beckett has always been a playoff stud, and the benefits probably are greater for pitchers, but still…

And yes, Papi needs to get his head straight. The at-bats I’ve seen look like he’s forcing, and I agree with the ESPN “experts” that his stance is wierdly upright.

by nuthinboutnuthin on Apr 18, 2008 3:49 AM EDT   0 recs

Besides which...

...he might come back righteously pissed, and take it out on opposing pitchers.

by nuthinboutnuthin on Apr 18, 2008 3:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Colorado vs San Diego

In the 21st inning! Still going.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 3:59 AM EDT   0 recs

22nd!

“Take me out of the ball game…”

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 4:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Next opponent for COL = Houston

Next opponent for SD = Arizona.

Those teams must be rubbing their hands together.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 4:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Colorado.

Still favoured by God.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 4:23 AM EDT   0 recs

A real slug fest.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 4:28 AM EDT   0 recs

No objection

I think Ortiz is going to have to tell that to Tito however. I can’t imagine Francona approaching him about it.

by sdkramer.otm on Apr 18, 2008 8:15 AM EDT   0 recs

Funny but true

After one game on the bench, Ortiz text-messaged Tito:
“Hey dad/pop (doesn’t remember which)
Put me in @$$^&

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno

We’ve got a series against LAAoA coming up. Doesn’t Ortiz own the Halos?

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Apr 18, 2008 10:09 AM EDT   0 recs

Per Baseball-Reference.com
Ortiz vs ANA, career # (72 Games): .255/.356/.536, 16 HR
Not shabby, but Papi really hit the Halos last year.
Ortiz vs ANA, 2007: .361/.439/.778, 4 HR
2007 ALDS: .714/.846/1.571, 2 HR

I think Ortiz should be playing as long as he’s not injured. He deserves additional opportunities to break out of his slump.

by 0157H7 on Apr 18, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Lots of guys struggle for a couple of weeks at the start of the season, or slump for a couple of weeks in the middle of the season. When it’s your top player, you don’t give him the hook so easily.

by RSNexile on Apr 18, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Chris Carter?

Bring him up and give him a chance at DH?

by Alex being Alex on Apr 18, 2008 12:09 PM EDT   0 recs

patience

seriously, everyone needs to chill a little bit with Papi. He has had 60 something at bats. Thats all. Hitting like most things in sports is perfected through repetition. Papi needs as many at bats as possible to work his way out of the slump.

Everyone slumps. Papi was on a tear for like 5 + years, a slump was bound to happen.

We are winning, the Sox have several people on fire right now, we can afford to carry Papi for a month.

No worries, no need to do something that will make the slump worse.

by SoxAcumen on Apr 18, 2008 1:11 PM EDT   0 recs

You know what?

I think that Lugo now is a bigger issue than Papi. Lugo is not hitting for shit, and is making errors. I know it may sound bad, but I think we should let Jed Lowrie play a little in SS. I mean, it worked last season with Pedroia, it could work again.

We should give him a game or two, and see how he does. Or am I wrong?

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Apr 18, 2008 2:58 PM EDT   0 recs

You have never been more right in your life.

I mean, it’s possible, as I don’t think we’ve spoken before. But I doubt it.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I'm new here

But I’ve been reading for a long time. And usually I’m wrong (yep, I was asking for Pedroia’s head last season, and still regret doing so), so good to see that I got it right this time.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Apr 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And looks like you got your wish (and mine... and everybody else's) tonight.

Lowrie in. Lugo out.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know Lugo isn't popular

But OC is a very similar player.

OC (2008): 54 AB .241 AVG/.379 OBP/.333 SLG
Lugo (2008): 59 AB .271 AVG/.306 OBP/.305 SLG

OC (career): .272 AVG/.321 OBP/.402 SLG
Lugo (career): .271 AVG/.333 OBP/.393 SLG

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Apr 18, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not an OC fan.

Very over-rated player. Good line in handshakes though.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Apr 18, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hey

that ‘04 team just isnt the same team without OC, that alone secures his popularity for my own mind:P

by spinz on Apr 18, 2008 6:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

could not agree more

Unfortunately, I was hoping to move Coco for another arm in the pen or a young catching prospect, but I think the Sox should seriously consider packaging Crisp/Lugo and eating a majority of the money trying to find a SS replacement.

Man, I wish they had made that O.Cabrera – Coco/prospect deal in the off season. OC can hit, he can run and he is a stud in the field, plus everyone loves OC in Boston. I bet he would love another shot at the title and be reunited with Papi and Manny.

by SoxAcumen on Apr 18, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Right now the Sox cannot afford to trade Coco

Ellsbury hasn’t been that good. He isn’t as good as Crisp defensively, and he hasn’t exactly been tearing the cover off the ball. Out of 18 AL CFs with 25 or more plate appearances, Tacoby ranks 18th in AVG, 6th in OBP, and 15th in SLG. Coco ranks 2nd in AVG, 10th in OBP, and 12th in SLG.

I’m all for a CF platoon until someone wins the job or clearly sucks. Ellsbury shouldn’t be handed the job just because he is young and appears to have tons of upside.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Apr 18, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In Jacoby's defense

It’s kind of hard to get on a roll at the plate when you sit every other game.

Or at least I imagine it’s hard. The closest thing in my life is probably playing doubles pool at a bar, which I am terrible at.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Apr 18, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think moving Coco is more beneficial.

I don’t know, my opinion is the Sox can carry Ellsbury for a while, like last year with DP, and lets fill a spot we know that we have no replacement. Plus, I think Coco has been pretty solid about not making a big deal about the situation. He is a MLB starting CF, not a platoon player and other teams need his abilities. So why screw a guy who was a team player last year and not fill a hole while we are at it.

Even Terry says Ellsbury can only get better with regular work, which means Coco is the 4th outfielder.

No way, Chicago Cubs, San Diego, Oakland, Atlanta…there are a lot of teams interested in a healthy Coco who would plug him immediately into the starting lineup.

Cla Merridith for Coco? crazy talk? Sean Gallagher for Coco? Insane?

by SoxAcumen on Apr 18, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

We should get another bullpen player. I mean, Paps is amazing, Oki is wonderful and MDC is also very solid, Aardsma is looking good right now. I hope I didn’t forget anybody, because the rest of the guys can be good some nights, and really suck all the others. That’s not a big need, but it would be nice to get more help.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

its a long season and i think its way too early to hit the emergency breaks with ortiz. If he continues to struggle over the next month then maybe a dl trip might be in order, but for now keep the faith:P he could easily turn it all around in a few games and putting him on the dl would seem like blasphemy 3 days from now.

by spinz on Apr 18, 2008 5:43 PM EDT   0 recs

and i mean...

imagine for a second this weekend ortiz goes 7 for 12 with 2 homeruns, bringing his average back to .200 in the young season. At the point where you can say “3 days with those numbers wouldnt be good enough to turn him around”, thats when you dl him in my mind.

by spinz on Apr 18, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i've got an idea

Why don’t you stop panicking?

Ortiz doesn’t need mental rest. He needs his knee to get stronger. When it does, he’ll be fine.

by RickD on Apr 18, 2008 7:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Grand Slam?

A couple hits the other night, a grand slam tonight…I think the sox might want to hold off on the DL for Ortiz.

Brian Bubna

by Brian Bubna on Apr 18, 2008 9:29 PM EDT   0 recs

Game

Lowrie got 2 hits and a RBI. When Lugo has this kind of production, I’m sure it’s a miracle and it’ll rain in the following day. :)

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Apr 18, 2008 10:32 PM EDT   0 recs

No Double play

Lowrie hit a sacrifice fly in a situation where Lugo ALWAYS hits ground balls usually for double plays. It drives me nuts, either that or he strikes out in critical situations most times.

Tonight goes to show that without Lugo, the Sox are a much better team. Why is this OBVIOUS discovery taking so long to be found out by management?? Does Lugo own stock in the company or what??

by NG on Apr 18, 2008 10:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Im starting to become a believer...

Lowrie acts like he’s a 3rd or 4th year professional hitter. Man, I might have to eat my words about Santana this off season. I am starting to really like this kid.

by SoxAcumen on Apr 18, 2008 11:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Me too

I really like all of the young players in the Sox system. Lowrie, Pedroia, Buchholz, and all the others. We’ll be pretty strong for a long time.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Apr 18, 2008 11:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Grand salami, eh?

And Allen was ready to put Papi out to pasture…

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Apr 19, 2008 3:14 AM EDT   0 recs

Any notice

Papi and A-Rod have the same number of RBI

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Apr 19, 2008 8:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And Papi is slaughtering Arod in the high five department.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Apr 19, 2008 12:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Poor A-Rod, nobody likes him. :-(

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Apr 19, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you are not insane just premature about Papi

Even if Papi didn’t have 5 rbi and 2 hits last night. I would put him in Richie Sexson of 2007 category if he is still has .112 BA by late May. Papi is a leader of the team along with Varitek. If you bench Papi, it is going to cause some bad vibes on the team, unless the Sox are playing below .500 ball..

I think Lugo’s errors are more disturbing at this moment than Ortiz’s slump. Manny is carrying the team at this moment with his bat, but Lugo’s errors can screw up not only the innings, but the starting pitching, especially their pitching count, and the use of the bullpen. Lugo’s hitting would be forgiven as long as he fields well, but if his fielding isn’t going well, the Sox should seriously think of trading him, and eat most of his contract, put Lowrie at SS or kicked themselves for letting Hanley Ramirez go.. (yea yea no Beckett, no Lowell,)

I think the Sox have had more SS in the past four years than Spinal Tap has had drummers.. (Nomah, Orlando, Edgar, Alex, Julio)

by superferret on Apr 19, 2008 12:36 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm not a huge Lugo fan, but ...

Lowrie probably isn’t ready to be an everyday SS, and Hanley Ramirez will eventually be an OF because he is a defensive liability at short.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Apr 19, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Ortiz

makes me look like an idiot by hitting, I’m okay with that…

=)

by nuthinboutnuthin on Apr 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT   0 recs

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