Laird traded to Tigers; what's this mean for the Sox?
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 1:03 AM EST
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According to multiple sources (but I'll link to Kenny Rosenthal just to make it simple), the Rangers traded Gerald Laird to the Tigers tonight:
The Detroit Tigers have filled one of their prime offseason needs, acquiring catcher Gerald Laird from the Rangers for Double-A right-hander Guillermo Moscoso and a second prospect, according to a major-league source.
The deal, to be announced Monday, figures to end any chance of the Tigers signing free-agent catcher Jason Varitek, who declined salary arbitration from the Red Sox on Sunday night.
Laird, a strong defensive catcher, is a .255 career hitter with a .306 on-base percentage. He earned $1.6 million last season in his first year of arbitration, and is two years from free agency.
What's this mean for the Red Sox who, by many reports, wanted one of the Rangers' catchers? Well, first of all it slims the pickens. The Rangers now just have Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Taylor Teagarden and Max Ramirez. With Laird out of the picture, I'm not so sure they'll want to deal one of those three and be left with two young catchers. It looks like Saltlamacchia -- who most OTM readers said wanted to be the Sox's catcher in 2009 -- is out of the picture.
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Bryan Anderson FTW
WTF do the Cards want?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Dec 8, 2008 2:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
they want to clone Albert Pujols 9 times, to teach the clones all positions, and how to pitch.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I see no problem with that plan.
I mean, he lost the MVP because he didn’t pitch good enough.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, right.
I meant he didn’t deserve.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it means Texas isn't trading another catcher
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 8, 2008 7:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly sure I've read that they planned to trade two
but I can’t find a link immediately.
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by britsoxfan on Dec 8, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fifth para
here and I have seen this talk elsewhere if you consider Cafardo not up to scratch .
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Dec 8, 2008 7:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden, the only MLB ready catcher, won't be moved
Salty and Ramirez are projects.
Cafardo just says Texas will “likely” trade two. I’m not so sure—unless, of course, the Rangers are planning to sign Tek. Hey, they’ve done stupider things in the past.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 8, 2008 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point.
Actually, I could see them move Salty, and keep Teagarden and Ramirez. If Teagarden does profile to be their catcher of the future, they could get a stopgap on the FA market, who doesn’t have to be Tek.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Salty is available
Everything I’ve heard from DMN and guys who seem to know what they’re talking about is that Salty can be had. But the price is Buchholz or nothing.
by sggut95 on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d pass on Salty for Buchholz.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 8, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How does this even make sense?
Yeah I know both Buch and Salty are prospects and one or the other might not pan out. Lets say both of them do. They are being compared to Cole Hamels and Jason Varitek respectively. If neither of them pan out this whole situation is moot anyways.
Would you trade 2007 Cole Hamels for 1997 Jason Varitek? No, never.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's even look at their major league numbers
Clay has an career ERA+ of 83 in a total of about half a season. Salty has a career OPS+ of 91 in about a total of a full season, maybe more. This does not even take into consideration the below average defense he is currently playing. This poor defense will bring him down below Buch’s value and probably by alot. He has had more time to prove himself then Buch hasn’t done it and his ceiling is far FAR lower then Buchholz.
If this trade were to go through it would be an awful fleece.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Right now Saltys line in the Dominican is .378/.517/.844/1.362. 3 2B, 6 HR, 12BB/8K in 13 games. He has caught in 7 of the 13 games and has thrown out 4 of 7 attempted steals with 1 error. Poor defense?
by 3bagbeast on Dec 8, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
Keep him.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Defense
-6.22 runs/120 games with poor plate blocking just this year.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/1/675791/2008-catcher-block-percent
and Baseball Prospectus has him projecting at 13 runs below average defensively.
Good point though 1.362 OPS in 7 games. I hereby declare him better then Albert Pujols.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Black hole theory time?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually 13 games
Have you even seen him play or are you just statheading?
by 3bagbeast on Dec 8, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Actually Runs
-13 runs in the FRAA system
I have seen him play on TV, he looks pretty good.
I have also seen Jeter play, live even. He made some pretty good plays but that doesn’t mean he is a good defender.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I was referencing your 1.362 OPS in 7 games. I hereby declare him better then Albert Pujols remark. The OPS was in 13 games, not 7 games. Nothing quite like observing a pro athelete live. TV doesnt do atheletes justice and misses most of the nuances of the players true skills.
by 3bagbeast on Dec 9, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is what you're getting then.
Buch is supposedly untouchable, so Teagarden would be your best chance.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lugo - Laird?
With some other parts involved?
I wouldn’t be happy about it, but it would be"fair."
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 8, 2008 8:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m greatful this means we won’t end up with Laird. This shrinks the market for Varitek. I’m still waiting on the MFY to sneak in and attempt to sign Varitek, don’t laugh at that, I really think it may happen.
by matzushocka45 on Dec 8, 2008 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 8, 2008 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you got a bet with me first NG.
About Wake, remember?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can handle 2, especially
if the price is just a mia culpa posting in the future!
by NG on Dec 8, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... ours is a change of our icon.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys...
stopping by from the Lone Star Ball blog. The Rangers ARE hoping to move another catcher and the consensus at the blog is that Salty goes. Teagarden should be our starter with MaxRam backing up and DH’ing. Obviously all of us want to see a Salty for Buchholz deal, but we are afraid it won’t happen. We’re even willing to throw in a good prospect (Main, Beavan, etc…) to get the deal done.
The thought is that Theo is posturing by saying that Buchholz will be traded and that Jon Daniels is trying to wait him out. I tend to think that Theo is going to win that battle and you’ll get Salty for less (Masterson and Bowden?).
We’ll see!
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by ortonius on Dec 8, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Masterson AND Bowden !?!?!?!?! You aren’t serious are you?
by matzushocka45 on Dec 8, 2008 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that another piece would be going back...
for that deal.
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by ortonius on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Some dude named Hamilton.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Dec 8, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Bowden and Masterson would need to fetch us someone really, really good. Bowden is a pitcher a lot like Buchholz, except younger. Masterson, of course, is proving his worth in the bigs right now but is still very young.
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are guilty
Of grossly overvaluing your own prospects. I can’t think of any way that Bowden is like Buccholz, except, as you say, he is also a pitcher. He doesn’t throw as hard, and, as far as I’m aware, doesn’t really have a ‘plus’ pitch.
by sggut95 on Dec 8, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen their stats comparatively through the minors? Bowden’s were as good and, in some cases, better until they both hit AA. That’s where Bowden slipped a bit, but still have eerily similar stats.
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden
throws on average .9 mph less then Buchholz. He also has a plus change up already and his curve has plus potential.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, .9 … big difference there, lol
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To say Bowden is a lot like Bucholz is a bit of an exagerration
especially when you look at there national exposure. Clay is still a big deal. Bowden, on the other hand isn’t. there are a lot of prospects in the country a lot like Bowden.
by BTLove on Dec 8, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was pointing to when they were both in the MiL together, not necessary recently.
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyday that goes by I start to think a trade won't happen.
Masterson and Bowden for Salty and someone else (won’t happen, we like having pitching prospects)
Salty for Buchholz won’t happen, unless for some reason you guys throw in Teagarden too.
Theo doesn’t trade low on his prospects. Buch’s stock right now in the eyes of others because of last year is low. Theo is still (which I agree with) selling him as a previous number one prospect in the nation with Hall of Fame potential.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really not too interested in Saltalamacchia
I was a big proponent to trade for him when he was with Atlanta, but I’ve soured on him since. He projects to be an average hitter with abysmal defense. He’s better suited to 1B or DH. Taylor Teagarden is really the only guy I want from the Rangers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox trade for another team’s highly-regarded catching prospect, such as Flowers.
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by SoxDevil on Dec 8, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have Shoppach than Salty. I want Teagarden more than anyone, but don’t see that happening. I think Shoppach can be had for Lowell, a big portion of $$ on Lowell’s contract and a prospect.
by matzushocka45 on Dec 8, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take that deal.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 8, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take it too
I don’t think it would take a prospect either though. Lowell plus contract money could probably get it done.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Masterson and Bard, and it is done
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 8, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm... Masterson for Salty is already to much for me.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to give to get
Masterson for Salty is a wonderful deal, even if Salty can’t stay at catcher. We all used to think Hanley wouldn’t stick at SS, and he likely will. Maybe Salty will as well, he’s still young and has potential enough for that.
Rangers wouldn’t ever take that, however.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 9, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still have never
heard from anyone other than uneducated bloggers say Saltalamacchia won’t stay at catcher. Every quote that I have read from pro scouts and people in the know say the opposite. They believe he will have a long and successful career behind the dish. No, his stats from last year didnt look great but when given a chance to “start” when Laird went on the DL he excelled both offensively and defensively and did it for the most part with a pulled groin and a broken foot. He is now healthy and tearing it up in the DWL which is a good sign. Problem with that is it will cause Daniels to overvalue him more than he already is.
by 3bagbeast on Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Salty catching a bit
And while I’m no expert and haven’t followed him as closely as any Rangers fan, he looked bad behind the plate. I think he has a shitload of potential, and I’d love to see him as a Red Sox. Not for Buchholz, though.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 9, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing out runners
BP also has him as a well below average fielder, but, like I said, I’m no expert at catchers defense. He’s still pretty young, so he might be able to stick at catcher. Even if he was guaranteed catcher, he wouldn’t be worth Buchholz straight up, IMO.
Not to take anything at him, but I think Bowden would be a fair return for Salty. I’ve seen many Rangers fans underrating Bowden and Daniels doesn’t seem high on Bowden as well, so I don’t think it will happen.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 9, 2008 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone tell me
why the Ranger fans think we are going to sell low on all of our prospects. I don’t know why they think we are desperate. It is easier to find a major league average catcher then it is a league average pitcher. Not to mention they need about 5 of them.
I just don’t get it.
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that they think
their catchers project to be better than league average. I mean last year Tek wasn’t that much worse than league average at catcher. Getting a good to great hitting catcher is a lot more valuable than a league average pitcher.
by BTLove on Dec 8, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I agree that most if not all of the catchers the Rangers have can hit at the ML level. They will hit better then the average catcher and will at least hit as an average Major Leaguer. My doubt is whether or not any of them will stick defensively. As most of you know, I value defense from a catcher at a High Level.
My doubts are whether they will play defense at an average level in Majors. If none of them can, there is not point of doing a trade for one of them.
by drabidea on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Click 'actions' and then 'Recommend'
if you want to recommend a post.
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by britsoxfan on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This doesn't mean anything.
Except that there will be no Bowden – Laird trade (not that Theo would’ve ever done that). For Laird to play half his games in Arlington and have poor power numbers is a big indictment of his offensive abilities.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about...
… Lugo to the Giants for Bengie Molina? Giants have a hole at short, and have Pablo Sandoval to catch for now, and Buster Posey in the wings.
by sggut95 on Dec 8, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SF just got Edgar Renteria
They don’t need another crappy SS. They have one of their own.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 8, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And even if they didn't get ER,
No, just no. Why would they ever do that. I think Molina is an above-average C and Lugo is one of the worst SS in the league. In a market with many available SS, the Giants would never be so stupid. Then again, look at Zito…
by Schulz on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are stuck with Lugo. Nobody is taking him off our hands.
by matzushocka45 on Dec 8, 2008 2:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And if they do,
it will be for a career AAA player with no shot at making the bigs.
by Schulz on Dec 8, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no...
He meant that’s what we’d get back. If we have to add stuff to get rid of Lugo, I’d rather just dump him.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I know that, I’m just saying Chris Carter fits that mold…
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's ours.
Unless you want to demote Lugo and bring up Carter. That’s a quasi-trade I guess.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, no … follow me here:
“A career AAA player” = Chris Carter. I’m not saying trade Carter. Nor am I saying promote Carter. I am saying that Carter is a career AAA player. That is ALL I’m saying.
by Randy Booth on Dec 8, 2008 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
So you just randomly brought him up? You’ve got to see where I got confused.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m the biggest Chris Carter supporter here. I think he will turn into Russell Branyan or Adam Dunn, no middle ground. :)
by matzushocka45 on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we teach him a little bit of plate discipline?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
???
Doesn’t he have a career .383 obp?
by drabidea on Dec 8, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying if he is going to be an Adam Dunn, can we add a bit of plate discipline to our version?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will be more Branyan than Dunn :)
by matzushocka45 on Dec 8, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?!
Are you high? Dunn swings at pitches that are outside of the zone just as much as Youkilis and less than Jason Bay or Manny Ramirez…
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 9, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
Single-season strikeout leaders
Player K’s Team Year
Mark Reynolds 201 D-backs 2008
Ryan Howard 199 Phillies 2007
Ryan Howard 196 Phillies 2008
Adam Dunn 195 Reds 2004
Adam Dunn 194 Reds 2006
Jack Cust 192 A’s 2008
Bobby Bonds 189 Giants 1970
Jose Hernandez 188 Brewers 2002
Preston Wilson 187 Marlins 2000
Bobby Bonds 187 Giants 1969
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 10, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?!, part 2
K’s are not that much related to plate discipline. Dunn waits for his pitch, and if his pitch never comes he’s down on strikes.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 10, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/mailbag-free-swingers/
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 11, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think personally..
This impacts us more on our attempts to resign Tek. With one more team out of the market for a catcher and maybe another soon (Its being rumored that The Marlins are close to signing Ronny Paulino), there are 5 or less teams in the bidding. This only drives Teks value down more and more. Im not for sitting on an old catcher, but when the market is unreasonable, its really the best option we have.
by Charged on Dec 8, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where did my fight with the troll go?
I was having fun.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I missed it
recap?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 9, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical punching bag stuff.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 9, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, I'm sorry I missed it
Which troll was it?
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 9, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was new.
But I won’t say his name – trolls come out when you say their name.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 9, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freaking mods.
I kid.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
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