Red Sox tried to acquire Hanley Ramirez

by Randy Booth on Dec 30, 2008 7:49 PM EST in News Comment 79 comments

According to SI.com (via MLBTR), the Red Sox recently tried to reacquire the Marlins' Hanley Ramirez:

At one point this winter, the Red Sox made a play to re-acquire Marlins superstar Hanley Ramirez, league sources tell SI.com. But while the Marlins listened to Boston's overtures, talks were quickly scuttled and it appears there's very little chance they will be revived as Florida isn't anxious to trade its best player.

The Marlins were said to be most interested in a centerfielder, and it's believed Boston's promising young centerfielder Jacoby Ellsbury and talented pitching prospect Clay Buchholz were among those mentioned in a potential package for Ramirez, who began in Boston's organization before being traded to the Marlins after the 2005 season in the deal that sent Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox.

The price would be high, but Ramirez has proved to be one of the best in the game. I think it'd be pretty far fetched to get Ramirez back, but the Sox do have the prospects to pull off the deal. According to SI, the Sox are happy with Jed Lowrie at short and may have played Ramirez in center.

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There isn’t much I would not give to get Hanley back here, but it will never happen.

by matzushocka45 on Dec 30, 2008 8:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Pretty much.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the fact the Sox tried to get in on Holliday, the Tex fiasco and now this coming out speaks loud about how the organization feels about our offense for next season.

by matzushocka45 on Dec 30, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hmm... hadn't thought about that?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Holliday

I didn’t hear about us pursuing him at all.

by Gnick on Dec 30, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would Toronto trade within the division?

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 30, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

face/palm

Holliday:

HALLADAY:

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

question marks at DH, 3B, C, CF, and SS…ugh

by matzushocka45 on Dec 30, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Question Marks at 3B & CF

You’re joking right?

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 30, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I think Lowell is quite the question mark at his age with his injury. And yes, Ellsbury is a question mark, he was benched in the playoffs because of it.

by matzushocka45 on Dec 30, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

CHILLAX

Lowell has plenty of pop left & Ellsbury just had a slump at the wrong time

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 30, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And Lowrie played most of the season with a fractured hand

He had a decent, if unspectacular, rookie year. With a healthy hand, he would have put up better numbers, so I’m not worried about shortstop.

Unless Lugo reverts to his old violent tendencies and assaults him.

by RSNexile on Dec 30, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Which is always a possibility for our SS's.

See: Renteria, Edgar (AKA Cptn. Crazy)

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When did Papi become a question mark?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Papi

Is one season removed from the highest OPS of his career. I think we can count on him for a least another year.

by Gnick on Dec 30, 2008 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I love it when you call me Big Poppa

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 30, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

O...kay...

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great song

by Gnick on Jan 1, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, it's a song?

Damn my ignorance.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 1, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The movie comes out in January.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jan 1, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Double damn.

I still have no clue. B.I.G?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 1, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Word.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jan 1, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Movie

Doesn’t look good. The guy who plays Biggie doesn’t sound like him at all, plus it’s coming out in January, so that’s already two strikes against it.

by Gnick on Jan 1, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't listen to rap/pop/R+B...

I like rock, and not the Jonas Bros/Disney crap.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 3, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Jonas Brothrs are "rock"?

I’ve never actually heard them, but I imagine them being terrible.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jan 3, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

VERY.

Try living with a tween sister. She hates them too, but her friends all listen to them, and she listens to similar music. Blech…

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 3, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When I was in sixth grade, the New Kids hit.

The trail of carnage was wide and deep. I managed to escape mostly unscathed, thanks mostly to Jane’s Addiction and G&R, but many brothers and sisters were left permanently impaired.

Sad times.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Jan 3, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Very,

And now they’re back. BOMB SHELTER!!!

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Matsushocka, care to explain?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

2 seasons w/ injuries, I think he hits 20 HR’s at most this season. We need another big bat.

by matzushocka45 on Dec 31, 2008 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is everyone forgetting we have Jason Bay??

Last season he did hit .286/.373/.522 with 31 homers and 101 RBI’s. And a majority of that was done with Adam LaRoche “protecting” him a majority of the season. With a Youk, Drew, or possibly even Lowell behind him, he could see some much better pitches, and perform even better. If he gets the opportunity, he could be a very formidable 4 spot bat.

And if he doesn’t live up, there’s always Youk, Drew (if healthy), and Wee Man ready to step in.

by A2004LoveAffair on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs

Rec'd

by drabidea on Dec 31, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The lineup will look like this

Ellsbury, Pedroia, Ortiz, Youk, Bay, Drew, Lowell, [Catcher], Lowrie

I would switch Youk and Ortiz, as Youk seems to be more of an all-around hitter while Ortiz is all about the power.

by Schulz on Jan 5, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

move ellsbury down to the bottom

he’s our 7th best hitter, no reason he should leadoff. Let him start the year hitting down in the lineup then if he steps up, move him up.

by BTLove on Jan 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

JD should lead it off

At least until he gets hurt. Then slide Ellsbury in. That should have given him a bit of time to get comforatable. (Hopefully)

That .408 OBP could do great things for Pedroia’s numbers…

by A2004LoveAffair on Jan 6, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

by BTLove on Jan 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Umm... knee issues (which have been fixed) and a freak wrist injury.

Not exactly injury prone, just bad luck prone. Someone get him a 4 leaf clover, and SOON!

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

His 2007 injury clearly didn't affect him that much

Judging by his .332/.445/.621 line. I would be incredibly happy if he played like that in 2009.

by Gnick on Jan 1, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Marlins would not even

Hanley is the Franchise
Locked in at a great price

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 30, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

They'd do it to rip off another team, or if they could no longer afford him.

The face of the Marlins franchise is a guy in a three-piece suit with a sign saying “Will Field a Team For Money.” Their owners pocket a good deal of the revenue sharing money they receive, rather than put it into payroll.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 30, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I've been trying to imagine that lineup:

Ramirez (CF)
Pedroia (2B)
Ortiz (DH)
Youk (1B)
Bay (LF)
Lowell (3B)
Drew (RF)
Lowrie (SS)
local high school player of the day ©

by RSNexile on Dec 30, 2008 10:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hmm... it's scary that Ramirez is a 30 homer guy and we'd have him at leadoff.

Lots of power still in the roster. And didn’t Papi want a 30 homer guy this offseason?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 30, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We have one in Chicago & it works out well

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 30, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

One what?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

One what? I'm sorry I was referring to the Cubside of me there

Lead off batter that hits 30+ homers (Soriano)

I love my Cubbies RedSox & Royals

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay.

Can you learn more about other baseball teams though? It’s Holliday, not Halladay.

And I don’t want another Soriano for our outfield. He sucks defensively,

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and leading off with Soriano has always been idiotic...

a guy with a low OBP and high slugging, where should we put him in the lineup? Since we’re the Cubs, we’ll lead him off. I mean he’s fast! He stole forty bases three times and only got caught in double digits all three of them! Idiots.

Hanley, on the other hand, can get on base like a MFer and is just generally awesome.

by BTLove on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

EXCUSE ME D-BAG!

I just simply asked why would anyone trade within their own division

sorry about the name fix up!

And I never said that Soriano was going to the RedSox

Again just making a reference that if you got Hanley by some divine intervention by God Almighty,

and had Hanley leading off

based on the line up given by RSNexile

it would not be a bad thing having power on top of the order,

Just go head on FACE./PALM me all you want and telling me I should know more about baseball blah blah blah

Here’s a idea, I’ll learn more about baseball and you can learn how to be more resourceful. Deal?

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course

Having power is great. That said, Soriano is not Hanley and thus this is a stupid comparison. This is like saying “having power is great” — without the context of what the comparison is, what value is being given up, the plus/minus to defense/offense/etc via “power” and so forth … it’s a moot point. Furthermore, you never indicated what you meant by “power”. Isolated power? Home runs hit? And really, the most important thing to have, at any spot in the order, is the best possible player the team can field.

In short, my equally inane response would be: “It would not be a bad thing having a perfect defensive and offensive OF that can double as Mauer behind the plate and Lincecum on the mound, on the top of the order”.

by manifestus on Dec 31, 2008 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sure

but it is moot bc as much as I would like, Hanley is not coming to Boston!

It was as simple as a HR hitter on the top of the line up.
Next time I’ll define power as more than just HRs ok big guy!

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 4:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, calm down.

Not everyone is out to get you.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, geez.

Didn’t mean to insult you. Wait, why would being more resourceful have helped me? I didn’t have to use anything to make my point, except the pics of Halladay and Holliday.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

never mind its all good

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Jan 2, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 3, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

RSN

Surprised you hold the copyright to “local high school player of the day” (RSNexile, OTM.com, 12.30.08) :)

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Dec 31, 2008 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It was a defensive maneuver

The MFY were trying to get it for themselves, but I beat them to it.

by RSNexile on Dec 31, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well done.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Jan 2, 2009 5:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

For anyone who doesn't get the joke:

( + C + ) = ©

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of shortstops

Can someone PLEASE explain how Theo was stupid enough to give Julio Lugo a 4 year, $36M deal?

by halflink123 on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Before he signed with the Sox, he always hit well at Fenway

If he hit as well at Fenway after signing with the Sox as he did when he played for the Rays, $9M/year would have been a bargain.

by RSNexile on Dec 31, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it had something to do with the fact

that he was the least bad option on the free agent market. I can think of MUCH worse contracts on our team. Curt Schilling, 1 year $8 million (plus weight-clause incentives, hahahaha… sob). Mike Timlin, 1 year, $4 million. Matt Clement, 3 years, $25 million.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 31, 2008 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We were desperate as fuck.

by BTLove on Jan 2, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Skeletons in the closet

Matt Clement, Edgar Renteria, Doug Mirabelli for Cla Meredith and Josh Bard, Jeremy Giambi for Josh Hancock RIP, Coco Crisp, David Riske and Josh Bard for Andy Marte, Kelly Shoppach and Guillermo Mota,Byung-Hyun Kim acquisition, Wily Mo Pena for Bronson Arroyo

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 31, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i would dissagree with the kim acquisition

trading shea opened the spot in the line up for papi

by beantownboy171 on Dec 31, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot the most important acquisitions:

2004 and 2007 World Championships.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 31, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

those were not bought

just correctly managed!

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton

by CubFreak on Dec 31, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Coco's a skeleton?

And the Wily Mo Pena deal was a wash. Arroyo didn’t do very well after the trade either, and we got Chris Carter for trading Wily Mo to the Nats.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 31, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i take that back on the Coco trade

Jacoby Ellsbury better step it up

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Jan 1, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's still got that BP swing that scares managers everywhere.

He just needs to learn better discipline, again.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 1, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Carter makes it a wash?

Is he supposed to become a major leaguer at some point and i missed it?

by BTLove on Jan 2, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's a decent back up.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 3, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Guillermo Mota

Threw exactly 0 pitchers for the Red Sox, he was traded to and from the Sox in the same offseason. So I fail to see him as a bust for us.

by Gnick on Jan 1, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wish we woulda kept Coco, perfect 4th OF speed and great D…

by matzushocka45 on Jan 1, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

And...

great ~~bullet~~ punch dodging moves.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jan 1, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But he didn’t want to be a backup, so that leaves the Sox with a pissy 4th outfielder.

OverTheMonster.com

by Randy Booth on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not named Jay Payton.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jan 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Eww, Jay Payton. I really hope the Sox aren’t thinking about Payton as a 4th OF again. That was the word a few weeks back. Hopefully that died quickly.

OverTheMonster.com

by Randy Booth on Jan 5, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs