Sawx attempted to get ...

by I Bleed Pinstripes on Dec 29, 2008 11:16 PM EST

Hanley Ramirez, hat tip to MLBtraderumors.com

According to Jon Heyman and Tom Verducci of SI.com, "the Red Sox made a play to re-acquire Marlins superstar Hanley Ramirez after losing out to the rival Yankees for star free agent Mark Teixeira." The Marlins listened, but no agreement was reached and talks have ended. The Marlins coveted players such as Jacoby Ellsbury and Clay Buchholz, but they'd need to be bowled over to trade their young shortstop.

Ramirez, 25, is signed at a discount through the 2014 season.

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Smacks of desperation if true.

This one-sentence analysis obviously brought to you by a Sox fan. I wouldn’t mind bringing Hanley back in, and if the Sox bring him back in, then Lowrie could/would then probably be traded for pitching or catching help. I still kind of would rather see Buch give it another go for the Sox.

On the other hand, Heyman and Verducci aren’t always the writers I count on to really be in the know, so I’d rather see this substantiated by someone else closer to the situation of either party.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Dec 29, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions

I'd rather see Buch get traded for a young catcher.

Although if we can get Hanley for cheap (relatively), I’m for it.

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by bdalebs on Dec 30, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions

Serious?

Hanley is one of the best players in Baseball. Sell the farm.

by BTLove on Dec 31, 2008 2:15 AM EST up reply actions

According to the article

the Marlins were focused on CF. In which case, we’d send Ellsbury and more to the Marlins, and Hanley would start roaming CF for us. There’s been some discussion that Hanley should move to the outfield, since his defense at SS is questionable at best.

The Fielding Bible had H-Ram at -37 in 2007, although he was neither great nor horrible this year in their rankings.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 29, 2008 11:33 PM EST reply actions

He's a better hitter, and he'd learn better discipline from our coaches and veteran leaders...

the latter of which is missing from the Marlin’s roster.

by bdalebs on Dec 30, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions

He has disclipline.

.400 OBP last year. Or you mean other kind of discipline?

by BTLove on Dec 31, 2008 2:16 AM EST up reply actions

What?

I mean not K’ing every 5 AB’s.

by bdalebs on Dec 31, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions

Strike outs don't matter.

I’d rather have outs made be on K’s than GIDPs.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Jan 1, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

He could walk a few times instead.

by bdalebs on Jan 1, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions

Hanley.

I’ve always said that if I could dump 1 player on our team and get any player back in return, I’d probably go Lugo for H. Ramirez. God, that would be sweet.

by Schulz on Dec 30, 2008 3:21 AM EST reply actions

If we can trick the Marlins into taking Lugo, we would get investigated for mind control devices.

by bdalebs on Dec 30, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions

Dependent on what the Marlins want

Hanley is a fantastic player, and if the Sox could get him for say Buchholz + Lowrie + prospects, Sox should make the move. IF the Marlins want players like Youk, Pedroia or Lester, no thanks.

Nice to see Theo thinking outside the box. Now if we can just get Theo to send Buchholz to San Diego for Peavy.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 30, 2008 10:00 AM EST reply actions

I wouldn't send Lowrie

He walked-off the entire ALDS for crying out loud!

by DirtySouthSox on Dec 31, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions

But he might have peaked (minus injury) as a role player.

If we can get a AllStar in exchange for a few spare parts and a bust (IMO), I’m all for it.

by bdalebs on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions

They'd want our whole farm system

Hanley is right now the 3rd best player in baseball, imo. Would it be worth it?

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 30, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions

Big fish in a little pond

$30-$35 million range payroll for the marlins why would they give him up?

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 30, 2008 5:26 PM EST reply actions

They forgot that the firesale plan comes after a championship?

Maybe their owner is experiencing economic issues.

by bdalebs on Dec 30, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions

as team friendly as his contract may be

it is backloaded and he will be kind of pricey for a team with than small a payroll in a few years. in 2011 he makes 11 mil followed by 15 + mil the next 3 years. im not sure theyd wanna give him up now when he is on the cusp of super stardom but i bet they do trade him at some point before the contract expires.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 1, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions

Definitely

They’ll do what the Rockies did with Holliday and get something for him before he hits the FA market. That is a long way off, but you can bet the Marlins won’t resign him.

by Schulz on Jan 1, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions