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First and foremost I want everyone here to realize I am a die hard Red Sox fan, and I wish the best for the team in any way shape or form. I have my personally opinion's on the way this team is being run right now and I felt it would be a good time to let a lot of it off my chest here. I figured I'd say this because a lot of what I am going to say isn't going along with the way the Red Sox team is being run.

Let's date back to last year in spring training. Manny Ramirez is quoted as saying how much he enjoys the time here in Boston and he wants to end his career here and he wants his option years picked up as soon as possible. Now Manny Ramirez has option years on his contract for the single purpose of that if he produced to a high level he should get two more years added to his contract, now since he was signed by the old Red Sox management who on the Red Sox has performed better than Manny Ramirez, no one. Who has performed better in the league than Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez and that may be it overall. So why is it a problem to pick up the option at that point in time?

Now we will skip ahead to June, Ramirez hasn't had his option picked up at this point and the Red Sox are coasting alone without David Ortiz who is out due to a rist injury. J.D. Drew has taken his place in the order at the three hole and has one of the best Junes in history, no coincidence when he goes back down after Manny in the lineup his numbers drop back down. Ramirez makes everyone that bat's ahead of him better, without Manny Ortiz doesn't have the big walk-off's beacuse he would just be walked instead, other teams had to respect Manny Ramirez behind him, as Manny reminded us in the ALDS against the Angels in 2007.

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Back on track, we head to the trade deadline where Manny Ramirez for the past couple weeks has been half-assing it because he is upset with the none negotiations about the Red Sox management not picking up these option years. Theo Epstein becomes aggitated by this display, which rightfully so Manny is being paid a lot to play. Theo takes it to an extreme and trades him to the Dodger's in a three team deal where we also get rid of a few other players including Craig Hanson who I honestly believed had a bright future here. In return we received Jason Bay from the Pirates who is a very solid player. Fine, Theo makes the trade and gets rid of Manny for Bay, but the problem I had with this as well was Manny went to L.A. didn't say a word of Boston. But Theo made a few remarks throughout the media about how he was voted out and all this other stuff, when asked about it on ESPN recently Alex Cora said that it wasn't as big of a problem as it was made out to be and that he was on Manny's side now that Cora is no longer part of the organization. Also asked was Mike Lowell one of the most respected members of the Red Sox and he said that he would make no comment either way, now if he felt Manny should have been gone he could have just said that because he would be agreeing with Red Sox management but he seemed that he did not agree with the move.

A couple months later we are in the ALCS against The Rays in the last couple innings begging for a big hit with so many opportunities and nothing coming of it, what Red Sox fan would not have wanted to see Manny come up in that inning with the bases loaded? There is a good chance we win that series if we have his bat and we go to the World Series. But that's all speculation if he stayed maybe the clubhouse falls apart and we don't make it that far. Right? WRONG. This is the big problem I have with this situation, why the hell does a baseball team need to all be good friends? Now everyone knows no one on that team hated Manny he was there for all the wins! Would Dustin Pedroia not have had the year he had if Manny was there? Would he have gotten up to bat and been thinking "Man that Ramirez I can't stand him!" followed by a big strikeout? No. Baseball is a game of numbers, and is a game of a batter and a pitcher it's not about a batter a pitcher and everyone else on the bench. You may have you're own opinion on that but that is how I feel and I'm sticking to it, we won with him before we could win again. He is one of the best hitters in the history of the game, that wasn't going to change in the last half of the year, he wasn't going to all of a sudden put up Julio Lugo or Jason Varitek numbers.

By this point you are wondering why did I name this blog post "Theo..."? All I have talked about is Manny Ramirez. Well this is why, we have hit this off season and we are seeing the way Scott Boras has just chewed up the Red Sox and Theo and spit him out. He took Manny out of Boston and he is going to get a nice contract, he played Theo like an idiot and landed Teixera in New York. Now he has Varitek to screw with Epstein which in my opinion I don't care if he comes here or not, but in the end Boras will make Epstein look like a fool once again.

What happens if Theo just signed Manny's option years way back at the beginning where would we be? There would have been no problems leading to the deadline, we probably would have been as good as we were in 2007. Now the Yankee's are a power house, and the Ray's we couldn't beat last year anyways. But what is Theo going to do, he's going to do nothing but sit back and watch. What he should do is figure out a way to get Ramirez back here, what is there to loose? We need his bat power, the way it look's right now we can't compete with the Yankee's, and we lost to the Ray's anyways. What happen's if Manny get's signed to the Angels then what? I don't like the thought of Theo giving up on this year just because he won't swallow his pride and sign Manny back to compete. But the most likely scenario is we sit back and just wing it for the rest of the year and see what happens. We'll have to wait and see what great trick Theo has up his sleeve. 


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I made a post about just before. No one else wants Ramirez; whether he likes it or not, he is a creature of comfort and habit. The Red Sox gave him that; he had his ups and downs, but he was used to us and we were used to him. I agree with your point that Epstein should have just optioned him begin with. But also another point, this is not completely Manny’s doing. An espn article, “Manny Being Manipulated” can spell this out for you; this is a Boras game too. Manny’s original contract was not a Boras Contract; therefore if the options are picked up, those dollars aren’t going to Scott, but to Manny’s previous agent. So Scotty orchestrates his trade to LA to become a free agent. The only problem for Scott is that no one is taking the Future Hall of Famer Bait that he is trying to pitch. So, the biggest hitter on the market is Mark Teixeira. Let’s look at that for a second, Manny hit 30 more points of average, 4 more home runs, and better hitting stats in almost every category (even steals!) this year. Now Manny is older, but Tex is the one with the big bucks and Manny so far squat. Unless that’s Manny Being Manny, something tells me that Manny is going to be part of a disappointing market and not get the money he “deserves”. If Theo wanted to make an offseason, he could slither in just before a team wins him and offer some more dollars (remind you of another team?!?!?). Then the remaining issues would be conciliation-just bring Papi and the keys to Manny’s old appt. at the Ritz, and what to do with Jason Bay…But this might be just very wishful thinking.

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."

by revigik on Dec 25, 2008 12:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Manny will get as much (or more) AAV as Tex

But not as many years, because Manny is old. We won’t sign him. We have Jason Bay.

by BTLove on Dec 26, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny is never coming back, McCarthy.

Manny was half-assing it — to the point where the Red Sox almost fined him for his actions. Come on? Why deal with that? I don’t care how great of a hitter he is, he was a jackass most of the time. His teammates got sick of him, too, that was made obvious.

And Manny and Boras never wanted the Red Sox to pick up his options. Boras wanted the $$$ of the free agent market. At least, that’s what he thought at the time. Boras was NEVER going to let many go back to Boston for his option years.

And you say Manny would have made all these spectactular plays in the playoffs. What did Jason Bay do? Nothing. I’m sorry, but he had his fair share of playoff and regular season heroics. I don’t think we would have cracked the first round without Jason Bay. Remember that.

Finally, I don’t think you can blame Theo for anything. Manny did this whole thing to himself, Theo just had to make the move. And as far as Teixeira goes, the Red Sox stood their ground. They weren’t going to overspend for Teixeira like the Yankees did. I think you are forgetting something — this team is still very good and can still go to the playoffs and win a World Series. And that’s all that matters….

by Randy Booth on Dec 25, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

that looks good on paper

But thats not gona happen , Theo’s Ego is just as big as Manny’s might be bigger?

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 25, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Manny

Manny would never want to come back to the Sox, and even if he did where would we play him? Drew and Bay are both too good to bench. The only scenario that is even possible is to move Drew to CF and Ellsbury to the bench. Even so, that will never happen because there is literally a 0% chance that Manny will return.

by Gnick on Dec 25, 2008 7:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Still...

I agree with what some of you are saying, but Rany Booth, what is there to loose by bringing him back. Him half assing it he is a better hitter than a lot of players on the team, plus we need a real threat backing up Ortiz. Basically something has to be done to be able to compete with the Yankees and Rays this year. There is only one real free agent who can make us a real threat again, that’s Manny. If Manny comes back Boras would be happy if we paid him and Manny would be happy because he has no where else to go that will pay like here. But the problem is Theo won’t swallow his pride and pay Manny more than he would have had to in the first place by just picking up the options. So instead he is going to do nothing, by signing Manny it would show that he still wants to win bad, right now I’m not getting that feeling.

by McCarthy62088 on Dec 26, 2008 1:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox almost won without Manny, so why couldn’t they do it again?

I understand what you’re saying about having another premier hitter, but who knows how many would perform. Would we see the Dodger version of Manny? The one that hustled and just crushed everything, or would we see the Red Sox version of Manny? The one that half-assed everything and his numbers really weren’t that amazing before the trade.

It really isn’t even worth the argument because Manny will never be back.

by Randy Booth on Dec 26, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plain and simply

Manny WILL not come back here. If no one else in baseball offers him a contract and we offer him 20yrs/6billion he will not be back. If he has the choice between living in the smallest town in Alaska or Boston for the rest of his he will choose the Alaska one. The only time Manny will ever return to Boston is if/when we play the Dodgers at Fenway.

by Gnick on Dec 26, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Bet...

If he was given a 20yr/6Billion deal he WOULD come back! Now, if we, Boston fans, accept him or not is a different question.

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GO SOX!!

by Bama Sox on Dec 28, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I loved Manny when he was in Boston

But that ship has sailed. He isn’t coming back. Jason Bay is the LF. If Manny could play catcher, maybe …

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 26, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yea

bay was a nice pick up and you guys are better off without manny although he is an all time great hitter you all have read the issues on schillings blog and heard them from other sox players that he really was an issue, i just thought it was hilarious that he ended up with torre in LA but i guess its a good place for him because torre has been pretty good with huge egos .. he really killed his market playing like a baby down the stretch for the sox

by I Bleed Pinstripes on Dec 28, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...

That was a contribution to the conversation how?

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 29, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HELL NO

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 26, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No Question

in my mind the Sox would have won the World Series had they had Manny. I am not absolving Manny of everything here but Theo and Co are just as guilty in this mess as he was if not more so. Manny only acted worse this year because management treated him worse. Frankly I think this wasn’t even Theo’s call it was a combo of Terry and Upper management excluding Theo.

Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist

by E5 on Dec 29, 2008 1:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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