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Mark Teixeira is not a Red Sox -- now let's move on

After hearing about Mark Teixeira signing with the Yankees, a little more than 180 million thoughts popped into my head. At this point, it's basically rambling, but I'm going to throw it down here in bullet form for all of you to enjoy.


    Mike Lowell is one happy man now.
  • The Yankees swooped in and made the kill like some people thought they would. Personally, I didn't see it coming. I didn't think the Yankees could really afford to put up that kind of money after signing CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett. I know they're rich, I just didn't know they were that stupid.
  • What does this say about Teixeira? I'm not quite sure. He's got no soul, that's one thing. But since he didn't sign with the Nationals or Orioles means he cares about winning. I guess that's a good thing. But who cares about his character at this point? He's a damn Yankee.
  • The worst part about this whole situation is being dragged along from the get go. If we were Nats or O's fans, we'd accept Teixeira not signing with us. But we were supposedly in the lead for almost the entire duration of the free agency period. If we were No. 2 or No. 3, fine. It just sucks getting smacked down like that so quickly.
  • No matter how badly this hurts, though, there are a lot of positives to this. One is the Sox have A LOT of money to play around with. The consensus here at OTM was the money Teixeira wanted was way more than he was worth, so why spend it? Now we can put that money towards areas of real need.
  • Speaking of money, Derek Lowe or John Smoltz anyone? The Red Sox need another starting pitcher and their hands are free now to make a splash. This even opens the door wider to the possibility of trading for Jake Peavy. That's not necessarily a money game, but it's a big move game that the Sox might want to play.
  • The pressure in New York used to be really bad. The pressure now is through the roof. What happens if -- no, I'm going to say WHEN -- the Yankees finish behind the Red Sox in the standings? Think everyone in New York is going to throw a party or start jumping off bridges? If this team sucks, it will be World War III in the Bronx.
  • The person resting easy now is Mike Lowell. I think we are all happy that Lowell will be back as a Sox and we don't have to ship him away. He's a character guy and didn't deserve all this crap from the beginning. Third base is yours, Mikey.
  • Can't mention Lowell without mentioning Kevin Youkilis. Our gold glove first baseman is sticking at first base. That's a very good thing.
  • In case anyone forgot, we still have a huge gap in our lineup: catcher. I really feel Jason Varitek will be back, but the question is the future. The Sox need to make some type of move to bring in a young catcher because another season with Varitek and Kevin Cash behind the plate won't be pretty.
  • I think the Sox could have got Teixeira, but I give credit to the Red Sox front office for standing pat and not giving in to Scott Boras' terrorist demands. The Yankees were willing to do all that but the Sox wouldn't and we should applaud that. They stuck to their guns and the Sox will be better off for that.
  • The rivalry is back ... if anyone thought otherwise.
  • I think I've hit a wall here, but I'll leave everyone with one final message: the Red Sox are still a very, very good team. With or without Teixeira, this team will compete as long as people stay healthy. This was not a bust by any means. Teixeira is a Yankee, but so what? They had to spend over $400M dollars just to build a team that probably won't even finish better than the Sox this year. It's sad, really. We built a team through our farm system; they built a team through ticket sales. Who are the real winners?
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How are you feeling now that Teixeira is a Yankee?
I'm good because the Sox are still in a great position.
138 votes
Ehh. It's a wash at this point.
85 votes
Does Google Earth show the closest bridges?
168 votes

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Lowell is still a very large question mark...

Lowell had a really serious hip injury. There is a big chance that he will have complications or have serious stiffness/development of arthritis in his hip socket. How Lowell plays during Spring Training will decide his fate… If Lowell can’t get back up to speed, he will have to retire.

  I think Lowell is a good ball player, but if he can’t field or run, the Sox are in trouble.

Personally I think the Teixeira signing was another Scott Boras overblown bloated contract deal. I wouldn’t give that money to Hank Aaron in his prime during the late 50s to mid 1960s. The Yankees have just got rid of a bloated Jason Giambi contract and got a bloated Mark Teixeira contract. The risk involved if Teixeira gets injured is mind blowing… The Yankees are going to have some serious egos in the locker room, and I wouldn’t be surprise that Giaradi is fired during mid season and Boras takes over as manager.

by superferret on Dec 23, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lowell is definitely a question mark. All reports are that he’s doing well, but we’ll believe it when we see it in spring training. He will either be healthy and hit/field, or he’ll be injured and struggle. If he’s healthy, he’s a bargain over Mark Teixeira in terms of production and money. Unless Teixeira hits 60 home runs, he’s probably not worth the contract…

by Randy Booth on Dec 23, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's also not forget

Posada, a 38-year old catcher, is a pretty big question mark for the MFY. If he can’t play behind the plate, they have a logjame at DH.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 24, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The downside for the Yankees

Is that Posada, Jeter, A-Rod, Matsui, and Damon can’t all play 1B and/or DH at the same time. It hurts their roster flexibility long-term.

by Schulz on Dec 24, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bloated contract? yes but,

probably the best of the three giant deals they gave out this offseason.

by BTLove on Dec 25, 2008 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You state that the battle is once again between the Sox and Yankees.

…Seems to me the Rays may have something to say about that.

" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 23, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

however...

you did hit the nail on the head when it comes to the amount of pressure on the Yankees right now. it’s world series or bust. literally.

" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 23, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say the battle was between the Sox and Yankees. I never say the Red Sox will win the division, I just say the Sox will finish ahead of the Yankees. I also said the rivalry is back, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll finish 1 and 2 in the AL.

by Randy Booth on Dec 23, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did the rivalry ever go away?

ESPN would be surprised to hear that.

" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 23, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It just wasn’t as relevant last year.

by Randy Booth on Dec 23, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at the last Sox/Yanks game in Yankee stadium...

after we had won the first two (or three?) of the series, and the place was absolutely dead. No life, until Giambi had a pinch hit HR and then single to win it. That sucked. But if the Yanks aren’t in it, their fan base really fades hard.

by BTLove on Dec 25, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crippled offense

With Ortiz looking more and more like the Met’s Mo Vaughn and Manny gone, I am at a loss to see where the offensive power production is going to come from. Surely it is irrational to think that Drew will be as productive in 2009. Youklis—hardly. Enjoy!

by Lodjur on Dec 23, 2008 8:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

JD Drew

2008 OPS+: 137
Career AVG OPS+: 129
Why is it irrational again?

How about Bay?

by drabidea on Dec 23, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and Drew didn't play many games.

I expect him to be more productive this year. Maybe worse in rate stats, but more games played.

by BTLove on Dec 25, 2008 1:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz

His OPS+ in 2007 was 171 so I wouldn’t quite discount him quite yet. Also, no mention of the reigning AL MVP or Bay?

by Gnick on Dec 24, 2008 12:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Last year Papi had a better OPS+ than any player on the MFY except A-Rod and Giambi. I’m not worried about Ortiz.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 24, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are ready to jump off a bridge

Grow up. Two championships to Zero since 2001. Yankees will always do this and they are not going to change. Its not about the best players its about the best team.

Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist

by E5 on Dec 23, 2008 10:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Best players=best team.

Right? have I been missing something in my entire life of baseball analysis?

by BTLove on Dec 25, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry about Cash being behind our plate

Apparently the Yanks just signed Kevin Cash (see mlbtraderumors.com for details). Please, make it stop.

Who will be catching Wakefield now?

by RedSoxFan596 on Dec 23, 2008 10:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kottraras or Brown

Both have caught a knuckler in the past.

by drabidea on Dec 23, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was too much money, but they got the best player available. But then again, how has that worked for detroit?

by spinz on Dec 23, 2008 10:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Horribly … and they have to pay the luxury tax.

by Randy Booth on Dec 23, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck Tex.

Never liked the guy. Has smug Yankee written all over that stupid-ass mug.

MFY’s lose Abreu and Giambi, gain Tex and (essentially) Posada, and watch everyone else get a year older.

Stupid Yankees.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 23, 2008 11:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I started hating him halfway into this

I liked him, I really did. Now I’m pretty sure he likes men in ways that are forbidden by the bible.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 23, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 24, 2008 6:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

With MGBB.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 24, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does this also leave some room...

…for Lars Anderson when he comes up mid-2010?

"and THAT happened" -John Mayer announcing Pedrioa at-bat in Tokyo

by DJDP23 on Dec 24, 2008 1:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's the bright side

Also, we don’t have to trade Mikey, and don’t create a roster problem.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 24, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to many cooks in the kitchen in the bronx

what ever the MFY’s do lets do the opposite. they what to load up on stars lets load up on young talent. So the last 8 years was good for them or was it a blur.(I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food). The MFY’s they are like a giant alcoholic
drinkin up retarded contracts. F*** the Yankees

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 24, 2008 10:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Everyone does realize that if you took their team last year, took away Giambi and Abreu numbers and replaced them with Swisher and Teixeira’s, they still would end up with 50 less Runs then us and around 50 less RBIs then us.

I don’t get why signing Teixeira makes them the better team. All it does is replace the bat of Abreu and the HRs of Giambi. With the team just getting older, and hence the likes of Damon/Jeter/Matsui continuing to get worse, their offense is in the same place it was last year, as of now, if not worse.

If they go out and re-sign Abreu or sign Manny, then we can start talking about how they improved their offence, until then we still have a better offense

by Realistic on Dec 24, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Its not just signing Tex that makes them better,

its bringing in CC and AJ too. I think thewy caught up to us and we will go into the season about dead even in my book.

by BTLove on Dec 25, 2008 1:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

to be fair the signings do vastly improve the Yankees
1)The comparison with the offense of last year is true to some extent, but a bit misleading. Posada barely played last year too, and Matsui missed 1/2 of the season. We can also expect now that Cano will improve (although not to the 2007 level) and Swisher will be an upgrade offensively over Melky if they indeed use him and go with an outfield of Swisher/Damon and Nady. In 2007 the Yankees scored 170 more runs than in 2008. The truth probably lies in between, with a slight edge back toward 2007. My guess is 830-900 runs, which is a wide range, and depends a bunch on health issues.
2)They upgrade defense too. If they are smart, Swisher plays left, where he would be a plus defender. Removing Giambi and Abreu is a hugh plus defensively, as is Tex at first. The downgrade defense in CF and CA, two important positions, but I still think it is a net plus.
3)Of course their starting rotation is vastly improved. I expect them to resign AP, so they have a deep 1-5. Petitte is a competent back of the rotation guy, and Joba (if he lasts) is a huge plus as a #5 for 130 innings or so. They will then move him to the pen, which helps there, while Hughes can take the 5 role. Last year, the ptiching was much better than people credit it for, largely due to a surprising Mussina and a pen that pitched very well and comprised a whopping 40% of their total innings. While regression here is expected, they do have a lot of decent arms there, and they won’t need 40% of their innings there. Otherwise you can say that CC/Mussina is a wash, but having Wang back and Burnett is a boost (btw-did anyone notice that Wang’s ERA+ last year in 15 starts was worse than Wakes?). I like our 1-3 better, but they might be deeper. A wildcard is how our 5 pitches. After the all-star break, we lost a ton of games (7 straight I think) in which Clay pitched.

Clearly they are a strong contender. If they magically stay healthy (AJ, Posada [can he even catch?], Damon, Joba…) they are indeed probably slightly stronger than the Rays and Sox, but I would not say it is by much. I would be great if they slump out of the gate. CC and Tex are known slow starters. Would be nice to see the heat ramped up early.

by Buzzy on Dec 24, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 24, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very true on many points, however:

- They don’t have Pettite, and there are rumors that with the 3 big signings, that they are even pulling their $10 mil offer to him back
- Yes Posada and Matsui both missed a lot of the season, but even when they did play they weren’t nearly as effective as they once were. Also, they’re old, between them, Damon, and Jeter injury is bound to happen (not to mention the addition of an injury prone AJ). I would be surprised if they all managed to remain healthy all next year. If they do, they I agree that they probably do have a better offense.
- Cano wasn’t that great in the Minors, he had a flukey 2007 year, he really wasn’t terrible in 2008, I personally see him around the same ball park as 2008
- Their rotation definitely got improved, there is no question there
- Yes Swisher is an upgrade from Melky, but he doesn’t nearly replace the downgrade from Abreu leaving the outfield
- If we are going to assume that Posada and Matsui will be back to their old selves, then we have to do the same for Lowell and Ortiz, so we still come out on top

by Realistic on Dec 24, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Both teams are very close. I think a lot will depend on health. 162 games is a long season. The MFY spent $420+ million to close the gap between the two teams on paper. Anything can happen once the season starts.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 24, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

all I am saying is-

Swisher+Nady+Matsui+Tex+Posada>Melky +Abreu+Molina+Giambi+random DH offensively. Not as much as one might think, but it is a real upgrade. Matsui was not so down last year (similar to 2007 but a lower HR rate), Posada merely needs to hit 250 with a 350 OBP to far far surpass Molina, and Swisher+Nady+Tex is at least as good (probably better than) Giambi+Melky+Abreu offensively. Recall that in 2007, with the same roster as 2008, the Yankee offense scored 960 runs! That was largely fueled by overproduction at 3B,SS,2B and CA, but still. Also, Cano himself was better than Cano last year, as his BABIP suggests.

Injuries will always play a role, they could with us (and did last year). I think it will be a very competitive ALE. Maybe the strongest division ever.

by Buzzy on Dec 24, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s an upgrade, but it’s probably not one of their top 3 lineups in the past 8 years or so. I mean, they do have quite a few question marks in that lineup even with Teixeira in it.

They are definitely a good team — or are supposed to be. I still don’t think their lineup is GREAT though.

by Randy Booth on Dec 24, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

of course I agree. The problem with the Yankees of this decade is that overall they have neglected pitching (and defense) and focused only on offense. However it would now appear they have gone some distance in regaining pitching balance. They have improved an already decent offense. I would say that they will be in the top 3 in offense next year. The have also greatly improved starting pitching. Aside from their #4 (whoever it will be) the other 4/5 guys are reasonably young and good. That puts them to some degree more in line with the 90’s Yankee teams than this decade’s teams. Never once this decade have they had a rotation that compares in depth to that of the 98 team, but this one does (of course some of these guys are health risks). The Sox are stronger defensively and probably have a stronger pen (although it is hard to predict); on the other hand the Yankees have a slightly stronger lineup. The rotation is close, with the Sox better designed for the playoffs, and the Yankees with perhaps more depth, at least for now.

by Buzzy on Dec 24, 2008 4:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Really?!...

"We built a team through our farm system; they built a team through ticket sales. Who are the real winners? "

Really? Because Josh Beckett your ace is a farm guy right? so is Dice K? Manny Ramirez was?…guys like JD Drew, Jason Bay, Julio Lugo, CoCo Crisp, David Ortiz, and Mike Lowell???…you have 3 position players if you include Ellsbury (who as a Yankee fan I loved to see him bat lead off because he was lost at the plate) I’ll give you Pedroia and Youk they are very good players and I guess this year Lowerie…Paps and Lester as well…and thats basically it my friend…More then 70% of the players who have an impact on wins and losses were brought in so don’t give me that bullshit. The main reasons why you won rings (Manny,Ortiz,Pedro,Schilling,Foulke, Drew,Arroyo,Millar and the list goes on) were ALLLLLL brought in, for you to say you built your championships on the farm system is unreal and I will NEVER EVER take one of your posts seriously because that statement is as idiotic as you can get. Please think before posting…please..I just can’t get past that you made that statement unbelieveable…

by JOBA RULES62 on Dec 31, 2008 1:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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