Yankees sign Mark Teixeira
I don't know how it happened, but it happened. According to multiple sources, the Yankees and free agent Mark Teixeira have agreed to a contract worth $180M over eight years:
Teixeira's deal is for eight years and $180 million — a sum that would push the Yankees' off-season expenditures past $400 million.
The signing of Teixeira will be a stunning blow to the Red Sox, who had identified the switch-hitting first baseman as their No. 1 target and can not effectively counter the Yankees' move.
The agreement also raises the question of where Teixeira's agent, Scott Boras, will place his other free-agent slugger, outfielder Manny Ramirez.
There will be a lot more about this in the days (more like hours) to come, but for right now I'll pass it over to the OTM readers to make judgment. Go for it, ladies and gentlemen.
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Does that mean....
that we’re most likely getting D-Lowe and even Smoltz???
by Brad West on
Dec 23, 2008 5:18 PM EST
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and I guess.
that probably sends Manny to the Mets bc of there need for a bat & a LFer
by Brad West on
Dec 23, 2008 5:19 PM EST
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As a METS fan, I'd love to see Manny and the noise that it would make in MLB. Lineup potential:
SS – Reyes
2B – Murphy / Castillo (platooning)
3B – Wright
LF – “Manny” (defensive liability? maybe, but I’ll take that bat)
CF – Beltran
1B – Delgado
RF – Church
C – Schneider / Cancel / Castro (platooning)
P – …
" When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? " - John Meynard Keynes
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on
Dec 23, 2008 8:33 PM EST
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I think it means
That we have to go all in and counter with something like Peavy.
I just don’t see us sitting down and saying “Gee golly, they got Tex so lets get… D LOWE!”
Sox nation is flabbergasted right now and we have to see something serious like Peavy or another big name in order to wash away Tex and say it doesnt mean shit.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Dunn as a Sox. I’ve always liked the guy even though his K rate is in the stratosphere. He could play 1st and corner OF. Wouldn’t be like having Tex, but it would add some nice power to our lineup.
by Charged on
Dec 23, 2008 5:21 PM EST
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I see what you're saying.
I agree also. I didn’t mean for it to sound like getting D-Lowe as a reaction to Tex, but it came out that way. It was meant to sound like more of a “What’s next?”
by Brad West on
Dec 23, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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Where would Dunn play?
I can see the Sox trading Lowell to make room for Teixeira, but not for Adam Dunn.
by Schulz on
Dec 23, 2008 5:54 PM EST
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Yeah I agree.
I think he would be to us what Kotsay was. 1B + all 3 outfield positions (That is, if you trust him playing center, which I just would vomit if I ever saw him try).
Hopefully we can land some type of bat.
by Charged on
Dec 23, 2008 6:25 PM EST
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I would rather
get a pitcher. We don’t really need a big bat, just backup players and a good defensive catcher.
by drabidea on
Dec 23, 2008 6:38 PM EST
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How can you say we don't need a bat?
I mean, I would agree 100%, but there are numerous questions. If Youk and Peds put up another MVP caliber year, if Ortiz and Drew can shake their injuries off and bat, if Lowrie and Tacoby can show some form of growth, and Lowell can rebound off his injuries and become the 20HR 100RBI man we have seen, then I agree that we don’t need a bat. But as of right now, I would feel more secure with a big bat.
A pitcher would be nice, but I don’t want D-Lowe or Oliver Perez, I want the real deal. Jake Peavy or bust.
I don’t care if the farm has to be cleared. We have enough young pieces right now to be okay.
by Charged on
Dec 23, 2008 6:52 PM EST
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I don't know
I don’t know all of those things, I don’t know if the Sox plane will crash into the ground either (knock on wood). I have to assume that some hitters will regress and some will improve, that is how every team is.
I do know that last year our biggest weakness was our pitching. That still hasn’t been addressed. We still NEED a fifth pitcher.
by drabidea on
Dec 23, 2008 7:12 PM EST
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Happily
If by 5th pitcher you mean “Replacement Level #5 Pitcher” those are a dime a dozen. Get a half decent GB AAA/AAAA pitcher and drop him in the rotation. I’m sure it’ll be all good.
by manifestus on
Dec 23, 2008 7:13 PM EST
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But it has been addresed!
Lester emerged, Dice-K emerged, Beckett regressed a bit due to injury, and Wake was Wake.
Our bullpen was shaky, but look at it now. We can keep Masterson in their and have him switch off with Oak as the set-up man. Ramon Ramirez will now be a strong arm back there too, aswell as Delcarmen if he isnt in around the 8th.
If anything, our pitching has been solidified this year. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t mind another arm.
Adding a dominant 4th starter would only help. Again, Peavy or bust.
by Charged on
Dec 23, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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4th Starter
I agree that we addressed our Bullpen needs. However, right now we have Buch slated as our 4th/5th starter. He projects to be -2.30 WAR. If we get a Smoltz type pitcher who is about 1.0 WAR. We are adding over 3 wins. This is probably more then if we signed Teixeira to replace and above average Lowell.
by drabidea on
Dec 23, 2008 7:25 PM EST
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I still
really think that we seriously need Lowe’s services. The man eats up innings. There were so many times this year that we have to go to our bullpen in the fifth or even the fourth.
Lowe would definitely add some “grit”.
I also would love to have Peavy there too.
by Brad West on
Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM EST
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with all due respect
Peavy will get eaten alive in AL
junkball tosser
I agree that we need a bat, to backstop Ortiz (in case he is through), but I strongly suspect that we can get a respectable bat for less than $200 million
we still have good pitchers, and more on the farm. no reason to panic
the Yanks will be competitve next year. good. no fun thumping their asses when they are not overconfident and obnoxious
Yank fans are getting back to full boat overconfident and obnoxious. right where we want them
by Frank Malzone on
Dec 23, 2008 7:20 PM EST
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Peavy
Is a “junkball tosser”? Usually that refers to someone who is a finesse pitcher and relies on off-speed stuff, two classifications that definitely do not apply to Peavy. Yeah, his stats would take a hit moving into the AL East, but he would still be one of the top pitchers in the game.
by Gnick on
Dec 23, 2008 8:20 PM EST
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Me, I like Yankee fans
huddled in the corner, a look of confused fear on their eyes as they watch the Rays, Jays, and Sox trample all over their beloved team.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on
Dec 23, 2008 10:37 PM EST
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Nowhere to put another bat
except at catcher.
Bide our time and wait for Lars and Mauer, I guess.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Dec 23, 2008 11:10 PM EST
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+1
I also don’t want Peavy.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Dec 24, 2008 11:35 AM EST
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If Masterson + Bard + Ellsbury gets him somehow
I’m all in for it, but since that really is not going to happen, I don’t want a trade for Peavy as well.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Dec 24, 2008 11:44 AM EST
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Geez....
I’m not sure what to say? Its on the front of ESPN at this stage so its pretty much a done deal. I’m more upset that he ended up at NY then the fact the we didn’t get him.
The fact is that we still need a catcher and another starting pitcher….
But then again, and I’ll say it again, what kind of person hires that turd Boras as his agent anyway?
by sydneysox on
Dec 23, 2008 5:19 PM EST
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a theory-
in retrospect, is it not interesting that the Yankees got cold feet with Cameron perhaps being serious all along during this stretch with Tex? I mean, did we think they thought Melky or Gardner were going to start, or did they plan on Swisher in the outfield already 1-2 weeks ago?
by Buzzy on
Dec 23, 2008 5:25 PM EST
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Fuck
This makes the MFY a good team.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Dec 23, 2008 5:26 PM EST
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better
It makes them a better team, not great…maybe good. Maybe a 95 win team. Even with Tex’s bat, I think the biggest improvement will be on defense with him on the diamond.
They will still see decline from Jeter, Damon, Matsui and others. Outside of CC and a Wang revival, I’m still not sold on their rotation.
by sydneysox on
Dec 23, 2008 5:54 PM EST
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but then again...
I’m still not completely happy with our rotation either. Can you all please tell me why in the f*ck did we not sign Santana last year? You can never,ever, ever have enough pitching…
by sydneysox on
Dec 23, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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*Trade(?)
We didn’t sign trade for Santana because the Twins would not settle for anything less than Buccholz, Masterson, Lowrie, Crisp, or Buccholz, Masterson, Ellsbury.
by Schulz on
Dec 23, 2008 5:57 PM EST
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In retrospect
Trading Ellsbury and Buchholz for him wouldn’t have looked that bad.
by Gnick on
Dec 23, 2008 6:03 PM EST
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Let’s give these prospects some time, huh? They’re not going to light the world on fire in one year.
by Randy Booth on
Dec 23, 2008 6:28 PM EST
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I'm only kind of unhappy
Because we appear to have given up a little bit on Buch. If we valued him enough to keep him instead of acquiring Santana then we should value him enough to give him the #5 spot in the rotation this year, especially considering he really has gotten all he can out of the minors.
by Gnick on
Dec 23, 2008 8:22 PM EST
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Options
I don’t think the Sox have given up on him yet. I think there is a big possibility that he could be the #5 at the beginning of the season. The Sox have two options, start out the season with Buch but he would have to be shut down after 100 innings or so. We would still need another starter to come in and play after. The other option we have is let him get his bearings in the Minors to start out the season and have him come up and pitch once someone gets injured.
by drabidea on
Dec 23, 2008 9:56 PM EST
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Ellsbury, Masterson and Lowrie would have been a great trade
Just saying…
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Dec 23, 2008 6:27 PM EST
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This is the worst thing that could have happened.
The MFY sign him to an insane contract. At least we actually have a farm system. They just buy, buy, buy.
“Hey, look, CC at 160 million. Let me check my back pocket for the cash I need. OK, here it is. C’mere, CC, oh, that’s a good boy! Who else should we overspend on? Mark Teixeira? Great idea! Hmm, we still need another big-name pitcher, hopefully injury-prone… AJ Burnett? Yay! Money whores! Money whores! Let’s go home, George, and get in the bathtub and have a dirty money fight!”
Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!
by BoSox415 on
Dec 23, 2008 5:57 PM EST
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Jesus, if you guys had signed him for $180 million you wouldn't be calling yourselves money whores
The AL East has been buying championships for years. Thank god for the Rays.
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by Carl Johnson on
Dec 23, 2008 10:53 PM EST
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At least we actually have a farm system
Not directed against the Rays, against the Yankees. They rely completely on money, it seems. We are a hybrid, the Rays are on the farm.
Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!
by BoSox415 on
Dec 23, 2008 11:10 PM EST
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Thats not true. It may feel nice to say but its just not true, sorry.
Yankees have just as many players on the roster from the farm as the sox do.
Jeter Lowrie
Rivera Papelbon
Posada Youkilis
Wang Lester
Cano Pedroia
Melky/Gardner Ellsbury
Veras Masterson
Ramirez MDC
Robertson
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 23, 2008 11:48 PM EST
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The difference being
all our guys have come up in the last five years, and there’s more to follow.
Posada, Jeter, and Rivera are ancient, and provide as accurate a reflection of your current farm system as Nomar and Trot do for ours. Wang is good. The rest of them are either question marks (Joba is nasty, but his arm just might fall off) or just aren’t very good.
Robertson? Who the hell is Robertson?
And I’m pretty sure you guys didn’t develop Veras.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Dec 24, 2008 7:27 AM EST
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Veras was a Ray until AAA and then traded to Tex and then the MFY.
Ramirez was an Angel until AAA and then traded to the MFY.
And if CasanovaWang is going to include ancient players, where is Varitek and Wakefield?
Where is Javier Lopez?
You are an idiot Casanova
by drabidea on
Dec 24, 2008 11:07 AM EST
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were not from your farm
and javy lopez has been in professional baseball since 2003 with three different teams. Robinson cano was signed at the age of 18 and played in the minors for the yankees for 4 years. Wang signed at 20 and pitched in the minors for 4 years with the yankees. International free agents don’t count as farm products? Thats weird. Veras and edwar were both minor league free agents with no mlb experience until they got into the system were tweaked and are now serviceable mlb relievers.
Nevertheless you can nitpick all you want, but you shouldn’t act like every single player on the team was “bought”
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 24, 2008 2:39 PM EST
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first line should say tek and wake
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 24, 2008 2:40 PM EST
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By your standard
Varitek counts as a farm product because he was a minor leaguer acquired in a trade.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Dec 24, 2008 2:41 PM EST
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Thats fine
throw him in there too, I by no means was disparaging the redsox system or saying the yankees had more guys from their own system. I was just saying the assertion that we “buy” everybody is a little overblown. Just like how you have a few big guns on the way, lars and bard, we have a few close to mlb ready too namely mark melancon and austin jackson.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 24, 2008 2:48 PM EST
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A-Jax is likely the most overrated prospect ever (ok, he may not be there)
To be fair, the Sox also have a overrated OFer prospect in Kalish.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Dec 24, 2008 4:37 PM EST
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I hear you on the overrated part,
Your average idiot yankee fan is probably expecting jackson to be a mickey mantle clone. The deal with ajax is his potential is sky high, hes a great natural athlete but never really played organized baseball until few years ago. As is, hes a guy who will be able to play gold glove defense at a premium position, hit between .280-.300 with maybe 15- 20 hrs. He’ll strikeout a lot more than he walks but if he can tap into some more of that power potential you can live with the k’s. For anybody who knows baseball having a young cheap above average CF who can hit the ball pretty good is a very valuable thing to have. For normal fans and the MSM I bet he will immediately be labeled a bust like hughes and kennedy
Anyway it’s hard to be a prospect in the yankees or sox farm system because of how well known the big clubs are. Guys like joba and lester who come in and immediately have success are few and far between. Everybody thought buchholz was gonna be the man especially after the no-hitter. Then look what happened, people are ready to give up on the kid because he stumbled a bit afterward, its ridiculous.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 24, 2008 6:35 PM EST
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I really think A-Jax will be a solid player, like you said
I’m just not sold on him being a much better option than Milky, I’m guessing he’ll be okay.
Yeah, prospects sometimes take time. You don’t give up on guys like Hughes or Buchholz, because potential is very much a factor.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Dec 24, 2008 6:43 PM EST
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dude
melky obp’d .301 last year. I think he was literally one of the worst offensive regular players in the entire mlb last year.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 24, 2008 7:07 PM EST
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Yeah, Jackson will be better
But Milky is still young, so there might be room for improvement there. His career MiL OBP is not that much higher than Melky’s (.356 to .347).
But I think you know Jackson better than I do, I just saw him playing a few games and I was never quite impressed, and his stats don’t scream anything at me. He’ll be solid, however. We have a guy like this, Ryan Kalish, that I was never impressed as well. Maybe I’m wrong about both.
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by MerryGoByeBye on
Dec 24, 2008 11:46 PM EST
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Kalish is already
overrated and he’s only played a ball? geez. Well best of luck to the kids anyway and a happy holidays to errbody who reads this 1 month 21 days until pitchers and catchers report
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on
Dec 25, 2008 11:23 AM EST
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No one said Wang doesn't count.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Dec 24, 2008 3:22 PM EST
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Oh, maybe Drugs did, below.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Dec 24, 2008 3:22 PM EST
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Wang was a free agent signing
like all foreign players, same as Cano and Melky. Veras came out of the Tampa and Texas system (also a free agent). Ramirez came out of the Angels’ system.. None of those players were eligible for the draft.
Youk was an undrafted free agent. That’s different, as any team could have drafted him.
The only players on the MFY who were drafted by them are Posada, Jeter, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, and Robertson.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Dec 24, 2008 11:48 AM EST
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All this means
Is you haven’t traded any of your aging players from when you were good
by drabidea on
Dec 24, 2008 10:59 AM EST
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Hey Carl
The Orange County Angels have been buying—Vladdy, Hunter, Mathews, etc.—they just don’t have much to show for it. Your payroll was well north of $100 million last year. If you had kept Teix, what would you be saying now?
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by Drugs Delaney on
Dec 24, 2008 11:39 AM EST
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The tag still has him listed as an Angel.
sobs
Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!
by BoSox415 on
Dec 23, 2008 5:59 PM EST
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I seriously wish he was still an Angel
or signed ANYWHERE else, just not with the GD MFY
by Brad West on
Dec 23, 2008 6:09 PM EST
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Whatever.....
You guys have a TEAM. Im claiming you guys win your division……
What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?
by AlohaHalofan on
Dec 23, 2008 6:24 PM EST
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I hope Im right
because we’ll likely not face each other in the first round again. That is a compliment and you know why…..
What in the wide wide world of sports is a goin on here?
by AlohaHalofan on
Dec 23, 2008 6:37 PM EST
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and a better manager
Giraldi is too uptight
and throws his players under the bus
those chickens will come home to roost
by Frank Malzone on
Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM EST
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The pressure on the Yankees has to be ridiculous now.
What happens if they don’t win the division? What happens if they don’t make the playoffs again?
The best part of this whole thing is when the Red Sox finish ahead of the Yankees in 2009. That will be the best part. I’m calling it right now.
by Randy Booth on
Dec 23, 2008 6:25 PM EST
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yeah I’m curious how well Teix fits in with the biggest egos out there. Too many huge contracts could lead to some internal bickering. Also, how great would it be if one (or more) of the three $4 million players has a season ending injury.
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by nepats108 on
Dec 23, 2008 6:32 PM EST
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No Worries
Last year I said that not getting Santana was not a big deal because he was not going to win that many more than Lester and the money is not worth it. And if we let lowrie.masterson go as well….. Tex is good and solid, but 8-10 HR’s more than Lowell + some avg. is not worth the 23 mil. spend that on pitching and lets get a catcher to make up the HR’s and average lost by not signing Tex.
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in november anymore.
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Dec 23, 2008 6:41 PM EST
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Exactly
If we had Santana last year—but not Lester, Lowrie and Masterson—we’d have been fighting the MFY’s for second place, not the Rays for first.
Without our homegrown talent (add in Paps, Youk, and MVPedey) last year would have been a total bloodbath.
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Dec 23, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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I think the whole problem is moot
Mostly because while Tex is good, that infield with Cano and Jeter is still going to be a groundball nightmare. The Yankees have gotten better, but I’d be far more worried about the Rays than the Yankees, particularly in the immediate future.
Not to mention, the offseason is far from over. Who knows what will happen by Opening Day? For all we know AJ will “suddenly” break down and be out for the season before Game 1. Boston has bigger issues to worry about — for instance, who’s the catcher?
by manifestus on
Dec 23, 2008 7:01 PM EST
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I know where
you can find a catcher? :)
The Rays might have the best rotation. And if they sign an OFer (Burrell) and a DH(Bradley) they could win the division.
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by RangerMad on
Dec 23, 2008 8:01 PM EST
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Yankees are doubling down
If this is true, then the Yankees are basically doubling down on Winning It All Right Now.
The problem with these long-term deals is that they’re basically locking in a substantial portion of their roster for the next few years. If anything happens to one of their $20 million investments, they’re screwed. I’d much rather be in Boston’s position—yes, the next few years might be rough, but we have the ability to bring our own talent through the system, and we don’t have many players tied up for extended periods of time while they’re in decline. The 2015 and 2016 seasons will be awfully interesting for the Yankees at this rate.
It might not be the most popular opinion out there, but I don’t think the Sox should be obligated to make some huge signing—Peavy or whoever else—just for the sake of making a big off-season acquisition. and certainly not at a price that would jeopardize the long-term prospects of the club. One season will not make or break the Sox, but it could be a very rough year in the Bronx if things don’t go well for the MFYs.
by lone1c on
Dec 23, 2008 7:10 PM EST
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I agree
It’s better to stand pat as opposed to making knee-jerk reactionary moves.
by manifestus on
Dec 23, 2008 7:14 PM EST
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One more thing to consider
As my brother reminded me, this isn’t a $22.5 million per year deal for the Yankees. It’s actually a $31.5 million per year deal for the Yankees because of the luxury tax.
by lone1c on
Dec 23, 2008 7:37 PM EST
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Well, I am near Tampa.
Anyone know when the MFY fly down here to start Spring Training and stuff like that?
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