Gammons update: Teixeira, Bowden
by Randy Booth on Dec 20, 2008 6:18 PM EST
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A lot of good tidbits from Mr. Peter Gammons tonight:
- Gammons writes regarding Mark Teixeira to Boston: "One source close to Teixeira said Friday that the two sides are not that far apart, and the conciliatory and civilized nature of those words made it obvious that Teixeira likes Mr. Henry's neighborhood, he just wants the kitchen and heating system redone as part of the deal."
- He also notes that while Jason Varitek was probably guaranteed at least $10M by Scott Boras on the open market, he has zero offers at this point. Gammons mentions that the Sox tried to trade Daniel Bard for Arizona's Miguel Montero but the D-Backs wouldn't accept.
- Theo Epstein will not trade Michael Bowden, according to Gammons. Check out Lone Star Ball's reaction to this tidbit.
- Gammo wonders if the Sox will eat the remaining $22M off of Eric Byrnes' contract to try and grab Montero if they can't work out a deal for Rocco Baldelli. Last I knew, the Red Sox hadn't made an offer/were interseted in Baldelli, but that should change.
- The Sox worked out Junichi Tazawa with major league baseballs, but Gammons doesn't indicate if it was before or after the signing. He writes that Daisuke Matsuzaka had problems transitioning because baseballs in Japan are smaller, making pitches easier to throw.
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Dan Bard for Montero would be awesome for the Sox
And not all that pointless for Zona if we packed another mid-level prospect.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 20, 2008 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see what Daniel Bard could do as a Sox, though. He could be ready by mid-season if he keeps plowing through the minors. Imagine if we add him to our bullpen:
Papelbon
Okajima
Delcarmen
Masterson
Ramirez
Bard
Holy moly…
by Randy Booth on Dec 20, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy
You think Bard could contribute in 09? He has been that successful in the minors?
by SoxAcumen on Dec 20, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ll DEFINITELY see him, if at least it’s in September.
In 31 games at Portland, he struck 64 out in 49.2 innings. He only allowed 30 hits. His only downfall was walks, walking 26. And he can hit 100 on the gun.
He’s on his way. If we really need him, we’ll see him in June, maybe.
by Randy Booth on Dec 20, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bard has an explosive fastball
But also has control issues. Randy, you forgot to mention that Bard had 8 wild pitches in 49.2 IP.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 20, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s his downside. Early in his career he was VERY bad in terms of control. Overall though, he’s gotten better. Four walks in 28 innings at Greenville last year, while striking out 43.
The guy is on the verge of Studom.
by Randy Booth on Dec 20, 2008 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A little wildness can be effective.
Scares the crap out of a guy when he has no idea where the next 99 mph fastball is going.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Dec 20, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Brynes on the Red Sox
Santa, please deliver two of my favorite non-Red Sox to Boston for X-Mas. I want to see Smoltz-e and Brynes-e playing in Fenway for one season.
Brynes cracks me up when he does his “color” commentaries in the offseason for Fox and ESPN.
by SoxAcumen on Dec 20, 2008 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really can’t stand Eric Byrnes, but I’ll learn to like him if he becomes a Sox. As long as he plays good defense, steals some bases, gets some clutch hits and isn’t a jerk in the clubhouse. Then I’ll be happy.
by Randy Booth on Dec 20, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never knew that about the Japanese balls.
Is the WBC ball the same size as MLB?
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 20, 2008 11:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Going No Where Fast
You are all a bunch of fools, you will never win the world series without Manny. Find another Hobby
by NewJersey Yankee on Dec 21, 2008 6:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh... you got me... how will we ever go on without the support of a MFY fan from Jersey?
[drops to ground in over-dramatic, attention-grab fall]
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 21, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and
the yankees will never win another world series without scott brosius.
by Buzzy on Dec 21, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Find another Hobby"?
Is your mother in town?
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 21, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what she said.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Dec 21, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 21, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'all are mean.
Why can’t we just tell him that we stick with our team, even if they don’t win for say, 86 years?
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 21, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee troller...
What I find incredibly amusing is not that you readily admit that you are a NY fan, but that you actually admit to being from Jersey…you have no shame.
In fairness though, I applaud the NY moves to try and sort out their pitching, however your lineup will see decreased output from numerous positions, most obviously SS and LF, and your overall infield defense is dreadful. Until you actually try to build a TEAM, you will not be carrying away any hardware this year.
So if you would like to engage us in witty, yet informed discussion regarding our favourite teams, that would be fun. If you chose to troll and insult, well how can I say this…..go f*ck yourself.
by sydneysox on Dec 21, 2008 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can I ask...
who Sox fans most want to see behind the plate next year – assuming they give up a reasonable package (contract or trade)?
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 21, 2008 10:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Teagarden
If we don’t have to trade Buchholz to get him. If not, then I’d be okay with Montero or something.
We also have Luis Exposito in the system, a good defensive catcher with good power potential. He’s far from a sure thing, but I’d might give him another year before making a major trade for a good young catcher. That’s another option.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 21, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Rangers fan
I’d be disappointed to see TT leave for anything short of Buchholz. At the same time, I’d be surprised if the Sox did a deal like that without a very nice prospect addition by the Rangers. Saltalamacchia, on the other hand, I could see being dealt for less than Buchholz, as long as the package was built around quality starting pitching (Bowden/Hagadone).
I think Montero for Bard+ is a reasonable deal for BOS and ARI.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 21, 2008 11:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sox won't deal Buchholz
I could see them dealing pretty much all the SP they have, except Buch and Lester. These 2 guys are the future of our rotation. I’m not sure if the Rangers ever wanted to deal Teagarden, but I’d make a deal for him. Salty also has big potential, and I’d be happy to see him as a Red Sox. I don’t think both will ever play in Boston, I think Buchholz is the guy Daniels really want, and Theo won’t trade him.
Yeah, I think that too. Bowden for Montero is way too much, Montero is just not in the same level as Teagarden and Salty, or even Snyder.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 22, 2008 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if the Sox got a catcher from Texas
According to the Globe’s Nick Cafardo:
Clay Buchholz, P, Red Sox – There are strong indications that the Sox do not want to deal Buchholz for a catching prospect. This could jeopardize any deal with Texas for Taylor Teagarden or Jarrod Saltalamacchia, though you never know if the Rangers would settle for someone like Daniel Bard. The Sox seem adamant about keeping Buchholz and Justin Masterson, and almost as adamant about Michael Bowden. Suffice to say, it looks as if the Sox might let this play out a bit.
Cafardo thinks Byrnes (if the Sox pick up the whole contract) and Montero are still possibilities because Arizona is cash-strapped.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 22, 2008 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Montero is more likely
And I wouldn’t trade Buchholz, too bad that’s the one pretty much everyone wants.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 22, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When other teams think you need something
They tend to ask for a lot.. The Sox don’t have a catcher right now. Even if Tek comes back, the Sox have to get younger. Every team knows this, which is why they’re asking for Buchholz.
Watch what happens when the Sox try to move Mike Lowell, if they sign Teixeira. They’ll have to eat an awful lot of the contract and/or move a player with him.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Dec 22, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Leverage is a bitch.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 22, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly why
last offseason I kept saying we need to find a young catcher. Theo…..keep me on speed dial.
by drabidea on Dec 22, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
but, for the Rangers especially, their organization is full of low A, high A, and AA arms who could end up being pretty nice starters or relievers. And while teams can never have too much pitching (especially in Texas), it makes sense to wait for the player(s) you deem worthy before trading away a significant piece like Salty or Teagarden.
Bard and Masterson seem like almost certain late inning guys. Bowden, while Theo thinks he’s got the goods, probably doesn’t project above a #3 in a good rotation. JD probably won’t get Buchholz out of Theo, but I am very pleased that he hasn’t settled for less up to this point. No reason to.
Thing is, Theo can regain that leverage by coming to Daniels with a deal in hand with ARI. Saying, “we’re about to deal X and Y for Montero and Byrnes. I’ll give you one of Hagadone/Bard/Bowden for Salty right now… or we’re doing the ARI deal.”
I don’t think JD pulls the trigger, but at least Theo’s turned the tables as far as leverage is concerned.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 22, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a bit wrong about Bowden
He projects as a #2 guy, he has the stuff and the numbers to back that one up. Many Rangers fans underrate him in the same way many of us Sox fans underrate Salty.
I’m not saying he, straight up, is worthy of Teagarden. But he can be the center of the package, he’s good enough for that.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 22, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not that it matters...
apparently Bowden is just as unavailable as Buchholz. But why would a GM make his top three pitching prospects unavailable and then contact other clubs about their starting catcher or a top 5 prospect in their organization (in the best farm system in baseball)? Seems out of whack to me.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Dec 23, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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