Buying Championships??

well..

i don’t really see how ortiz and lowell can fit into the bought category because when we got ortiz it was for very little salary and at the time he had a very small name, that was just good scouting,

and when we got lowell he was damaged goods to every other team in the league but the sox took him on cuz they thought he had something good.

And how exactly does it help your point when you say the redsox and the yankees get equal talent its just the redsox are smarter then them with money and know the good investment and the yankees overspend cuz they can?

sounds like your making the point for us. You seem to love attention over here. But enjoy your 5 years with carl pavano…. i mean aj burnett. Trust me i don’t hate that you guys are making bad investments. Deals like that are gonna send you guys back another ten years

by beantownboy171 on Dec 15, 2008 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Woah...

Umm… we spend WAY less than you and have been WAY more successful since 2000. Shut up.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 15, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ah yes, another excellent post.

So you’re saying that Red Sox are the only team to increase spending in that time? That they’ve made smarter investments than the rest? What’s your point exactly? The Red Sox have increased their payroll by $50 mil. Well gee that’s nothing compared to the $100 million plus the Yankees spent.

Let’s not leave out the other teams that have since doubled their payroll – the Mets perhaps? How about the Cubs? The Tigers? Don’t forget about the White Sox – they’ve tripled their payroll since 2000.

I don’t personally know you, but I’m going to assume that you are no more than 8 years old.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Dec 15, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

and the Angels

by BTLove on Dec 16, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

the Mets had the 2nd largest payroll last year…Didn’t help us a damned bit.

…Neither did our bullpen.

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 18, 2008 5:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why does this guy post here?

Seriously, your ranks are tiring to read and usually completely biased.

Please, isnt there a Yankee blog on the SB Nation?

by SoxAcumen on Dec 15, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Here:

www.pinstripealley.com

And if there was sarcasm, I didn’t pick it up. Close your sarcasm tags

.

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Dec 15, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it was more

rhetorical for Louis’s benefit.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 15, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

haha

“close your sarcasm tags”

i find that funny

Homer: Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

by DougieWentDeep on Dec 16, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

Yes, we spend a lot, but we also have a good farm system. We actually win championships. We don’t get eliminated in the ALDS with a payroll as large as yours. Yes, Lugo was a bust. Drew was a semi-bust ($14 million dollar grand slam, June) but has done well at times. And also, do some research before you make a post. PEdroia 8 million a year? Link for being a Yankee fan is here: http://www.overthemonster.com/2008/12/15/692567/how-to-be-a-yankee-fan

And, please, ban this fool.

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Dec 15, 2008 7:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

But pinata?

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 15, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Sugar Daddys on the inside

Are much, much sweeter.

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Dec 15, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Again, shouldn't this be on Pinstripe Alley?

Once again you’re wrong, Louie. The MFY were the first team with a $100+ million payroll to win a World Series. I know it was a long time ago, but the MFY had a payroll of $107,588,459 in 2000, their last championship.

In 3 of their 4 “recent” championships, the MFY had the top payroll in MLB. In 1998, they were second.

David Ortiz signed a 1 year/$1.25 million contract with the Sox in 2003 (that’s about the same salary as the MFY batboy). As for Dice-K, Boston signed him to a 6 year/$52 million contract (the posting money doesn’t count toward payroll).

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 15, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What I don't understand..

is how trading Hanley Ramirez for Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett is considered “buying a championship”. We didn’t buy those players, we traded for them.

Go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge or something.

by Charged on Dec 15, 2008 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

In fairness

The marlins would not have traded Beckett if they could have paid him and Lowell. However, there are a lot of teams in the league that could have afforded him. We got him because of better prospects (and the ability to pay him)

by BTLove on Dec 16, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This

is the reason people write things like this http://www.overthemonster.com/2008/12/15/692567/how-to-be-a-yankee-fan

Louis non of your stuff makes sense and you use no statistics to back up your wild claims. Do yankee fans a favor and chill with your nonsense.

by CasanovaWong on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs

What he said.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 15, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What don't you get

Red Sox Fans complain constantly how the Yanks spend too much . Meanwhile there are 28 teams that can make the same complaint about them. The Red Sox could care less that their payroll is 100 million more than the Rays. They only care that the Yankees payroll is higher than theirs. It’s hypocracy. Simple enough for you dude!!

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 16, 2008 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No you don't get it

Last year, the gap between the MFY, the #1 payroll in baseball, and the Sox, the #4, was $75.7 million. That’s roughly the same as the gap between the Sox and the Twins, the 25th highest payroll.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 16, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what would it be

If Pedroia, Beckett and Ortiz were paid what they were worth. What’s it going to be when you sign Tex. What’s it going to be when it’s time for Paplebon and Lester to get paid??? When will you stop running your mouths about money, when you’re the second largest payroll instead of the fourth.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This makes no sense

Don’t ask what it will be when this or that happens. That’s just stupid. No one here is whining about anything. You post garbage and then whine when people answer you. This kind of crap belongs on an MFY site.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 17, 2008 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh aren't you funny.

Pedroia got his deal, and it’s a steal for us. Beckett cares more about winning than money. Ortiz too. Tex won’t change us much from last year, since we won’t have Manny and Schill on the books. Paps is playing year to year on contracts, and Lester is too.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 17, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If there's one player who has my utmost respect it's...

Pedroia. That cat could have gotten much, much more for what he accomplished and what he earned (AL MVP) this past season. The guy knows he’s on a winner. He’s in a city that’s got a phenomenal fan base and (I can’t speak from experience, only what I hear) the city ain’t a bad place to live and have fun. Kudos for Pedroia.

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 18, 2008 5:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, I do "get it"

This I don’t get -

Julio Lugo gets 9 million per season and Pedroia 8. As a matter of fact in 2009 Pedroia’s salary will be 1.5 million. What does that mean?? Lugo is HORRIBLE and Pedroia the MVP. Look at Drew who is currently the highest paid player on the Sox yet I’d rather have Bay in a heartbeat. The salary doesn’t always reflect the talent. The Red Sox are one of the big boys now.

What are you trying to say here? If there is a coherent point I definitely cannot find it through all the [sic]’s, run-on’s and contradictions. You bring up a point about bay and Drew, JD drew makes a lot more money than bay because Bay hasn’t reached free agency yet. When he does he will probably be paid MORE than Drew is. I respect the fact that you feel strongly enough about this subject to post about it on the sox forum, but still, all you’re doing is putting fuel on the fire. No matter what you write and whom you write it to the universal argument about the yankees is they spend a lot of money. A lot more money than most clubs put together.

by CasanovaWong on Dec 16, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

The difference between the Sox and Yanks is that we combine spending with a great farm system and small trades to put the extra pieces together. The Red Sox have figured out the best way to run a MLB team, and other teams will try to emulate our model.

by Schulz on Dec 16, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't act

as if you guys invented the model for a “successful franchise”. Yes, you currently have a great mix of farm guys, smart trades and free agents and have 2 rings to show for it, but those yankee championship teams of the late 90’s were built the same exact way. Sh*t, I could even say theo ripped his current model off cashman and stick michaels. Jeter, mo, posada, bernie, and pettite were homegrown. Oneil, brosius, clemens etc were all traded for, heck we even had a wacky japanese pitcher too. King George, ever so insatiable, got us away from that model in the early 2000’s and we’ve been trying to recover ever since.Anyway, I’m just saying its not like Epstein invented the wheel here. Its the blueprint for a successful team that has been around for as long as baseball has.

/sorry for digression, I know everyone is engrossed in discussing the mind boggling fanpost presented before us.

by CasanovaWong on Dec 16, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

this....

…is the garbage I hear all day every day living just outside of Boston. It took me a few years to get fired up, but I am there now. I wouldn’t be on these message boards if not for the ludicrous statements I hear all day. When I lived in NY I didn’t worry about Red Sox fans too much. Then I moved here. You would not believe the things they honestly believe. Last year before the 2008 season. BEFORE the 2008 season a local sports writer who you can also hear on the radio said “Jacoby Ellsbury is a future hall of famer” . The kid had 116 major league at bats and he was putting him in the hall of fame. NOBODY ARGUED WITH HIM. So until you walk a mile in my shoes, please don’t judge.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That sounds remarkably familiar

Much the same as Yankee fans saying Joba’s the next Roger Clemens… All fans get excited over a potential star in the making, and any sports writer making claims, who isn’t a fan should be beaten with a large stick.

by A2004LoveAffair on Dec 17, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's fine...

….to get excited about your young players. Boston goes overboard. I have never heard ONE Yankee fan call Cano a future hall of famer after he batted 340 in 2006. The Yankee fans called Cano a future BATTING CHAMPION after a 340 season. A FULL SEASON. Red Sox fans were calling Ellsbury a hall of famer after 116 at bats or one month. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERERNCE.,

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, it's because Cano is crap

and Jacoby is pretty. Simple, really.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Dec 17, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Umm...

pretty?

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 17, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, you know, like A&F pretty.

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 18, 2008 5:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate preps.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 18, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You and me both brother

" We got "The Rod"...What you got? "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 18, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're crazy, Louie

Nobody ever called Ellsbury a Hall of Famer. Some thought after his good showing in 2007 that he had a shot at Rookie of the Year in 2008.

As for Cano, MFY fans may not have called him a Hall of Famer. But, they, like the YES broadcasters, likened him to Rod Carew, who is a Hall of Famer. When someone says that a young player reminds them of a Hall of Fame player if pretty close to calling the player a future Hall of Famer. (For example: so and so “plays like a young Mickey Mantle.” Get the picture?). MFY fans also speak of Joba, who has thrown 124 career innings,as if he is an ace and future Hall of Famer. MFY fans thought Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera was too much to give up to get Johan Santana. Kennedy has pedestrian stuff, and probably will be a #5 starter at best. Cabrera is, at best, a 4th OF on a decent team.

If you don’t think MFY fans are well-known for overrating their prospects and young players, I suggest you go through the archives of ESPN chats. Keith Law, Rob Neyer, Jim Callis and others have very little patience for MFY fans proposed trades.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 17, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The best comp I recall for Ellsbury

is Damon. Hardly a HOFer.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually

Tony Nassarotti did on the big show, and NOT ONE PERSON disagreed. Meanwhile I fell off my chair

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 18, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And you didn't split your skull? Damn...

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 19, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

did you know

That Jason Varitek calls a better game than any catcher in the history of baseball?I didn’t know that until I moved here. Did you know that throwing out base runners is over rated and that it has more to do with the pitchers delivery to the plate than the catchers arm. Did you know that? That’s what they keep telling me.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why don't you argue with us about things we say,

as opposed to all of these arguments that you “hear every day.” I’d like to believe we are a little bit more thoughtful and well-informed than your average WEEI caller. Engage us about our arguments and thoughts. If you have good counterpoints we may even end up in an intelligent discussion (unheard of for you, I know).

by BTLove on Dec 17, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

BTL

Did you know that my boss has told me I should probably keep being a Yankee fan to myself. In the past they have lost customers because a few guys in the kitchen were Yankee fans. One year during the playoffs they cheered for the Yankees as they spanked the Red Sox. A few guys walked out and went somewhere else to watch the game. A few others asked the management to contain their employees if they couldn’t contain themselves. I WORK IN A BAR AND CAN’T TALK SPORTS IN THIS F&*^&% TOWN!!!!

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Move.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 17, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Get a better job.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 18, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and we care because...

by BTLove on Dec 18, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

you sought after me

so go away and ignore my posts, Easy enough

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 18, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, you responded to my comment,

with an entirely unrelated story about the daily persecution you endure as a MFY fan in Sox territory. I actually sometimes enjoy your mindless rants, I just wish you were able to keep them on-topic.

by BTLove on Dec 18, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or we could just ban you.

We can find tastier pinatas that spill candy easier.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 19, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Umm...

(Most likely) true. True. True.

So, you’re getting pissed cause we’re explaining baseball to you? Like the whole ERA thing?

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 17, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

true

and if your Tampa Bay or Kansas City you can complain all you want and I would even agree. The Mets and Sox can not complain. They have the oppurtunity to be very successful under the current system year in and year out. How do you think Tampa Bay Rays would feel about hearing the Sox complain about how the Yankees out spend them.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We don't complain!

Find an article in OTM “complaining” about the Yanks payroll.

by BTLove on Dec 17, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What are you talking about...

Boston is a smaller city in population than San Francisco, Phoenix, Washington D. C., Philly, Chicago, Miami, Houston, San Diego, etc. etc. Boston is the 24th largest city in the US. Even if you take into consideration Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island and New Hampshire, Red Sox are still only in the top 20 in population while the Mets and Yankees have over 8.3 million people to initially sell their brand, Los Angeles has over 7 million.

The Red Sox have built an organization on reputation and selling a brand name. They chose to break the bank on Dice-K and got rewarded for it by becoming the Japanese baseball fan’s team of choice. Everyone else claimed they were crazy to spend $50 million on posting fees, but the Red Sox saw the $$$$ and talent. The new front office has chosen a model for success, selling the Red Sox team and the brand name. This is why they have the money to spend.

The Red Sox are the organization to follow if you are Tampa Bay or Kansas City or Minnesota, bc it proves that small market teams can make $$ and sell their teams outside of their cities.

The MFY are just some self-entitled rich kid who had his dad get him into Yale…and we all know how that turned out…

P.S. Louis is paying Manny 3yrs/$75 million buying a championship or just Hank overspending to try and piss off the Nation?

by SoxAcumen on Dec 17, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

There are 2 new york teams in every major sport and none as successful as the Yankees. Give them a little credit please. The FANS OF BOSTON are the reason for Bostons success. This has always been baseball town. It’s the new ownership who has recognized that and rewarded it.. Marge Schott could own this team and the fans would still be there.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OF COURSE the Fans of Red Sox made Boston, that is the point, they sold their brand to the US, Latin America and Japan and now they have plenty of money in a market smaller than Sacramento.

Your post that Kansas City and Tampa Bay look at the Red Sox and Yankee as similar is completely ignoring the elephant in the room or the $800 million the MFY pull. Only the bitter Angels feel that way.

Truth is the Red Sox organization is the standard for small market teams.

Plus, you cannot compare NFL, NBA, NHL franchises with MLB, there is revenue sharing mandated by their league office. The Jets and Giants left to their own finances with no intrusion by the NFL would pull over $500 million easy. This is why there is revenue sharing so the Giants, Bears, etc do not drown the K.C. and Seattles of the NFL.

IF you want an accurate comparison to the NY Yankees try Manchester United, Arsenal or AC Milan. Teams with insane payrolls who overspend to win bc they have MASSIVE markets to sell their product too.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 17, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

or

because he has a lifetime average of 330 in Yankee stadium and is the ONLY RED STOCKING YANKEE FANS HAVE EVER FEARED,…..EVER!!!!!

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Has there been a lot of complaining about MFY spending lately from Sox fans here?

There’s been mockery (Burnett). There’s been questioning wisdom (Sabathia). I haven’t seen a lot of complaining. And if it’s from other sources than OTM, then may I remind you that it’s actually the Marlins President who has been up in arms about Yankee spending this offseason. Not wishing any ill will on Marlins blogs (read: don’t go there Louie), but it’d be just as well-placed there.

Holy F. Why am I not just banning this fool? Someone help me explain that.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Dec 16, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I've got nothing.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 16, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And bs with the pinata image goes here:

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Dec 16, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Scroll up you lazy fools.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 17, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The greatest trick

the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Dec 16, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree AC

I figure the MFY will be in on every big name FA every year, regardless if they need them or not and I also know they will overpay to get them.

Fact is the Pinstripes do not have as much pull as they used too and players are better businessmen, so CC played the Yankees and got another $20 million for his trouble. If the teams fighting over CC were the White Sox and Angels, I bet he signs for $120 – 140 million. Since its the Yankees its a given they overpay by 10-20%. Nobody wants to play for your horrible owner and your horrible fans.

MFY overspending is typical and shocks no one.

by SoxAcumen on Dec 16, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

except

The money isn’t more you fool. The years are longer

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Damon got same years

just more money.

by BTLove on Dec 17, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

because you're deranged? Jk

But do us all a favor and please do. This, after all, is a Boston Red Sox Forum. Louie, sounds like you need to pick up a map of the United States.

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."

by revigik on Dec 16, 2008 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

worry about yourself

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You cannot compare payrolls from different years,

Payrolls get bigger every year. Comparing the 2000 Yanks payroll to the Sox in 2007 is useless. It’s like saying; “the Yankees are so Stupid! They pay Cano more than they paid Reggie Jackson!”

You also do not mention all of the $100 million dollar payrolls that did not win World Series. There are a bunch of them.

Yes, the Sox have a spending advantage over most teams in the league, but not nearly as big as the Yanks spending advantage. If you actually do not understand this, I don’t know what to say.

by BTLove on Dec 16, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions 2 recs

Exactly

rec’d

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 16, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no not exactly

the Rays can complain, Kansas City can complain. The Mets and the Sox can not

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL.

I’m not laughing at your comment – I just noticed your tag. Maybe you should change your name to Louis the Clarevoyant.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 17, 2008 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Spelling error, but still funny.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 17, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not necessarily.

Maybe Louie has a knack for seeing Clares.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 17, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Snap.

(cut me some slack, it was 7:30 in the morning, after being awake at 2:30 the night before…)

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 17, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This kind of CLARE?

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Contact+lens+acute+red+eye

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 18, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes they can

The difference between the MFY salary and the next highest team is about $70 million, that of a mid market team. Sure the Mets, Tigers, Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels, Cubs, White Sox, and Braves all had Opening Day Payrolls between $100 and $137 million. If you add the MFY and Phillies ($98 million) roughly one-third of MLB teams spend about $100 million on payroll. But, only one team spent over $200 million—the MFY. When it comes to stupid contracts, the MFY are second to none. Congratulations!

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 17, 2008 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

2nd to none....

…in rings too.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Big deal

I live in the present. I could care less about what happened in baseball in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. Sit back and enjoy watching black and white footage of players you never got to see live. Ring counts aren’t impressive to me.

As long as the MFY spend truckloads of money, they’ll be a threat. But Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, and Mickey Mantle aren’t relevant to a discussion of current MFY spending habits.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 17, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

But the MFY are still up 4-2 in my baseball-obsessing life. I figure that we’ll be tied in the next 4 years, if not sooner.

by BTLove on Dec 17, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

presently

the Phillies are the champions which means you are a PAST CHAMPION. You keep forgetting that. Red Sox fans just think they are going to win a bunch of rings over the next few years. Like it’s that easy. Dopes!

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Dec 17, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Woah!!! Schiz-ing out again, Louie?

2nd to none….

…in rings too.

presently

the Phillies are the champions which means you are a PAST CHAMPION.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 17, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice non sequitur, Louie

Where in anything that I wrote did I call the Red Sox champions? Nobody cares about MFY ring counts. Liberace had a lot of rings too.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 17, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

Rec'd

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 17, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 18, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs