We Have Our Beckett, His Name Is A.J.
by LouieTheLip on Dec 13, 2008 3:27 AM EST
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PrintI like to compare A.J. to Beckett more than I like to compare Sabathia to Beckett. Beckett has been a post season MONSTER and there is no denying that. So we can debate about it come playoff time. However during the regular season over the last 7 years C.C. has been the better pitcher. He did win a cy young people. He is a throw back with inning pitched and complete games and Beckett doesn't hold a candle in those two areas. C.C. has a lifetime 3.66 ERA spending all his time in the AL. I can't wait to see him go into the post season with 195 innings instead of 250. I can't wait to see how successful he will be in the post season with a fresh arm instead of killing himself just to get there like he has.
Anyway I want to compare our number 3 starter against your number one. A.J. to Beckett. Both injury prone. Although Beckett has not missed entire seasons with major injuries like Burnett so I'll say Burnett is more fragile and there is no doubt but what I want to do is use a 4 season window. Why 4 seasons. Well I keep hearing how good the Red Sox have been over the last 4 years. Apparently that's how we judge everything now in 4 year encriments. So says the Red Sox fan. So be it. In the last 4 years Burnett has averaged 182 innings pitched and Beckett 189. Burnett strikes out a few more, but also walks a few more. The ERA is comparable as well. Burnett has dominated the AL East but has no post season history. If there was a game tonight and it was Beckett vs Burnett how are you feeling. Like I better watch this game is how you're feeling. He is a health risk I agree, but he's electric.
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LOL
OK, first thanks for the post….
2nd Beckett should of won the Cy in 07 so that argument is done. If we are being political Beckett = CC in 07’.
3rd, LOL thanks for the laugh. MFY fan your team just spent $243 million to get 1 game better and you will still be 3rd at the end of 09.
Louis, I love ya bra, keep up the posts….
P.S. its not 4 year increments smart guy, its just that we have won 2 of the last 4….join the debate…try not to be intimidated by the math
Seinfeld, perhaps?
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 14, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Their rate stats are remarkably similar.
Especially if you scroll down and compare by age. Here.
But I’ll take Beckett, thank you very much. He’s three years younger, he does a better job keeping people off base, and he pitches to win even when he’s in pain and even when he’s not up for a contract.
And I’m sure AJ will take a hit going from a pretty good defensive team (the Jays) to an almost comically bad one. (Cue the “But Jeter dove in the stands face first…”
But yes, as a paper rotation, the Yanks are looking pretty good.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
If it were Burnett vs. Beckett tonight
I would feel we have the advantage, with or without Tex.
Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!
One game, Beckett vs. anyone in Pinstripes
I’ll take Beckett.
I’d take Lester over Wang or Burnett too.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
HAHAHA
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Burnett is a girl, Beckett is a total badass
Red Sox rules, MFY sucks. We win, fuck you. :)
Also, Beckett’s career FIP is 3.35, while AJ has 3.75. Also, Beckett has a better K/BB rate, lower WHIP, has had a higher WPA since 2002 and he’s also a better fielder. AJ is a very nice pitcher, but Beckett is far better. Thank you very much, do come back often.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 13, 2008 7:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Part 1: Name-calling and insults.
Part 2: Stats to back it up.
Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!
Louie gets a 50%, which is still an F.
Until some politician goes crazy Barney on us and declares that everyone gets an A for showing up.
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Beckett is badass
I’ll give you that. I doubt you’d call Burnett a girl to his face
I see things you don't see.
I doubt that too, man
But he is a bit girly.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 14, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I'd do it.
Get me tickets to a Yankee game with a press pass for the locker room, and I’ll go in there and call him a girl straight to his face.
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I might also go punch Sabathia in the gut to see what he pukes up.
Not sure I have the time to wait for all of it to come out though.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
Beckett is better than Burnett, no question.
But it is probably closer than we might like to think. I also like how he says Burnett “dominated the Al east” after that long discussion a week ago about how Beckett is not “dominant.” And yes CC has been better in the regular season than Beckett no question. CC did deserve that Cy because he pitched sooo many innings that year. But that’s probably why he sucked in the postseason and Beckett dominated. I’ll take the WS over a Beckett Cy.
Interestingly
Burnett doesn’t dominate the Rays or Orioles – just the Sox and Yankees. If you go by his baseball-reference splits, that is.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I think
Burnett is better than we are giving him credit for, and worse than the MFY are saying. He’s a really good pitcher, but not a great one. He gets injured often. He has great “stuff” but not always great results. But guess what, his numbers are closer to Beckett’s, than Beckett’s are close to CC. Then again, is Beckett still our #1?
A SP's position in a rotation doesn't really matter.
I would argue that none of our top three starters (Beckett, Lester, Dice-K) make a very good “ace” (ex. Halladay, Johan, etc.). However, if you can get quality in your rotation from top to bottom, that’s even better.
Take the Rays for example. They don’t have an ace, just really good rotation including Kazmir, Shields, Garza, and Sonnanstine. None of those guys have what people like to call “ace material,” but together, they make up one of the league’s best rotations.
An ace could be considered the pitcher in a staff that is clearly the best.
You know, the one you really would rather not face during a series, the one that you hope and pray pitches the day before your team gets into town to play that team? Yeah, that guy is the ace of that team. We don’t have one, because we have three great pitchers who would be aces on almost any other staff.
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Idk about that criteria...
Is Gil Meche an ace just because he’s clearly the best on the Royals?
Is Kevin Millwood the ace of the Rangers?
In my book, you need to pitch at an elite level for me to call you an “ace.” Of course, nobody buys my book : (
Or mine...
Okay, they also have to be a decent pitcher on any other staff.
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Zack Greinke, re: the Royals.
But I agree with your overall point.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Price and Garza
are both on their way to Ace-consideration, in my book.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Not sure on both
Price has the stuff to do it, however.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Dec 15, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
The spot does matter come October
The guy who pitches first, gets to pitch again sooner. This is really important. I agree the opening day starter is not important, and the difference in a #4 or 5 isn’t important, but come October, it is important to have a domianant number 1 (as Beckett showed us in 2007)
Exactly.
The opening day rotation doesn’t matter. In fact I would argue that you should space out your best pitchers, rather than playing them back to back, in order to have at least one really good pitcher every series. Let the regular season dictate who is your best pitcher, because the post-season is where it matters.
I'm confused.
Is this comment in response to yourself? And if so, what did the one Horse’sA say to himself?
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Schizophrenia.
I used to be a schizophrenic too, Louie, but we’re fine now.
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You're confusing schizophrenia
with Dissociative Identity Disorder, formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder. Schizophrenia is marked by “hallucinations, delusions, disordered thinking, movement disorders, flat affect, social withdrawal, and cognitive deficits.” Dissociative Identity Disorder is characterized by “multiple mannerisms, attitudes and beliefs that are dissimilar to each other”
D.I.D. is a controversial diagnosis, which some psychologists believe was made up by Doctors / Psychotherapists.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
It's a joke....
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
We had out A.J.
His name was Matt Clement.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
*out = our, obviously
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Umm... no.
He was with the Cards this past year. He was granted FA last year after the WS.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
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