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Yankees Sign CC Sabathia

As reported by both the New York Post and Ken Rosenthal:

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The Yankees have signed left-handed free agent prize CC Sabathia to a 7yr/160mil deal. What are OTM's thoughts on this? Personally I think in a way it's not too bad. This means the Yankees most likely will not be in heavily on Teixeira, which means they'll have failed to address their real need of hitting. I also think that CC will be as good as advertised for the first three years or so, but in years six and seven I think they'll be way overpaying. 

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I would love to see if incentives and performance measures

make up most of this contract, OR is CC just getting this 23 million/year guaranteed??

CC is way overweight to last long much longer. If this 7 year deal is a guarantee, the Yanks may well have flushed a giant part of their future potential down the drain, as even they don’t have unlimited funds. This is a dumb way of doing business, and it show desperation. Desperation never leads to good results! Count of it, and may the non-desperate Red Sox NOT follow suit!

by NG on Dec 10, 2008 9:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

This deal might work for a few years, but in 4 years it won’t look good. They should have just traded for Johan last year.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 2:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The weight may or may not be a factor.

Think David Wells.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 7:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who basically became crud after a few games each year, IIRC.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 10, 2008 7:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not exactly.

He was a horse in his 30s. A big, fat, alcoholic horse.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 8:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For us I mean.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 10, 2008 8:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was 40 when he came to us.

CC will be 35 when this contract expires.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 8:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And will probably be residing:

here
I kid.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 10, 2008 8:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CC weight is an issue

But his IP the last two years is more of a concern. Simple put the Indians and Brewers abused this guy and never tried to improve his conditioning (at least not on any serious level) He will produce a few good years followed by major injury plagued years then spiraling into mediocrity.

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by E5 on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hoping he'd go to the West Coast

as he reportedly wanted to do. Well, once again, the Yankees go all out to buy a pennant. This could be just the tip of the iceberg as they are actively going after A.J. Burnett and Ben Sheets, too. Money is not object for them; never has been.

  At least they are smart enough to go after pitching……but as a Yankee-hater, this is not a good day for me.

by ccthemovieman on Dec 10, 2008 9:34 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They need to seriously upgrade their offense.

Unless they plan to also DH CC, I’m not too worried. Burnett will light up the DL. Sheets is also a huge injury risk. DLowe is a contact pitcher and the MFY defense is awful. Last year, their bullpen overperformed.

CC is a good pitcher. But the MFY need a lot more help.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NOT a Good day??? Humbug!

The recent Yankees have proven beyond all doubt that their money only buys them prima-donnas and not a team. As my above post implies, they will throw a big chunk of their NOT unlimited funds down the drain with this idiotic CC contract (depending on how it reads of course), and that should make you day!

by NG on Dec 10, 2008 9:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

!!!!

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 10, 2008 7:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did u see the indians are basically giving away franklin guttierez ?

by matzushocka45 on Dec 10, 2008 9:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhh... Joe Smith!

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 11, 2008 4:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea pretty sad

The Indians are the new Baltimore O’s.

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by E5 on Dec 11, 2008 6:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hence the name you have given yourself?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 10, 2008 7:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me neither.

Google doesn’t help.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 11, 2008 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just more your response that said

Hence the name you have given yourself?

in one level, and I think you will then see what I assumed. I thought you were talking about “NG” with this name comment! SEE NOW??

by NG on Dec 11, 2008 7:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What does that have to do with anything?

We don’t get what NFG means. My comment was joking about “ccthemovieman” and his name.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 11, 2008 7:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Must be an Army term.

Air Force never uses “NFG” that I’ve heard.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 12, 2008 4:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The single greatest post in OTM history.

Help me make it the most recommended too.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Dec 11, 2008 4:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Done.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 11, 2008 7:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I rec'd it, but I don't get it.

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Dec 13, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Means one of three things:

Not functioning good (obviously Army, cause that’s some screwy English)

OR

No F’n Good (military in general)

OR

New F’n Guy (Army in ’Nam)

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Dec 14, 2008 10:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have fun trying to get rid of his contract

in 5 years. I’m not against (well sort of) giving a guy $23 mil a season, but nobody deserves that for a huge bulk of their career. If he puts up CY Young like numbers for the next 7, then they made a great move. I don’t see that happening.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Dec 10, 2008 9:44 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think he has to put up Cy numbers (that depends on dumb stats anyway)

But he has to stay healthy, and this is the big question. In order to make this worth it he has to pitch 200 innings every year plus a bunch in the playoffs. The Yanks can afford to overpay a guy a bit (with Burnett ready to make $15 per, $23 ain’t bad) but if he gets hurt and can’t pitch, that’s when this deal will kill them.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat you to it GNick!

…In the Fanshots, but I won’t hold it against you. Facing CC in years 1-3 of this contract will be tough, no doubt about it. But I agree with the general sentiment that his health will be a concern after that point. He’s pitched like 500 innings in the past two years combined. His weight may cause knee problems, in addition to the strain on his arm.

Let them sign CC and Burnett. In my mind, their aging offense can’t get them to the playoffs.

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Sox really knocked Sabathia around in the 07 ALCS. I didn’t want him to go to the Yankees because he’s better than their current pitching but it’s not that big of a deal.

$140M lol

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by Chemmy on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its actually $161MM

With an opt-out clause after 3 years, $69MM

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manny not in demand

That story today – that no one, outside of the Dodgers, appears very interesting in signing that scumbag – helps make up for the Yankees’ announcement. I guess tanking games for the Red Sox this past season hasn’t made him an attractive FA for other teams.

I would feel better today if I hear we signed Tex or A.J., or a solid young catcher.

by ccthemovieman on Dec 10, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manny

The market for Manny will develop after Teixeira signs. If Tex signs with anyone other than the Angels, I expect them to jump on Manny.

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 1:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to Tim Brown and Gordon Edes

CC has an opt out clause after three years ($69 million). This contract may end up costing the MFY a lot more.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 10, 2008 12:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe. But I don't think so.

Bud Selig started the collusion talk early this offseason, when he brought in Paul Volcker to warn owners of the perilous economy. I think the recession will seriously cut into MLB revenue, for the following reasons:

1) For most, baseball is discretionary spending.
 If you’ve lost your job or are worried about it, blowing $400 at Yankee stadium with the family isn’t such an appealing idea any more. In a recession, most people cut back on discretionary spending, and that will hit MLB hard.

2) Corporations are getting battered.
 The Citigroups and State Streets of the nation will not be buying up boxes and whole sections of the ballpark as they did. They also won’t commit as much to advertising or naming rights.

Without record revenue, baseball teams will have less money to throw around. So when CC’s opt-out date comes around, it’s likely that no one will offer him more money for more years. The Yankees might even sign him back at a discount.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 10, 2008 12:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"This contract may end up costing the MFY a lot more."

What do you mean, that he would opt out and the MFY would resign him for even more money?

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 1:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is what happened

with A-Rod. But as I stated above, I don’t see it happening three years from now.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 10, 2008 1:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

This Contract did allow for an opt out. If they hadn’t given him that option, they wouldn’t have to worry about giving him a raise three years from now.

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They still don't have to give him a raise.

In three years when almost every single Yankee is absolutely ancient, and they are full on rebuilding, let CC walk.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 2:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s his opt out clause, not theirs. So if he’s starting to look like he is no longer worth what they are paying him, he’s just going to stay put and eat their money. Only situation where they would be in the position to “Let him Walk” is if he can get more money, in which case, this is the Yanks we’re talking about, I’m sure they’ll fork over the money. (They should have been in rebuilding year last year with all their young pitchers and aged players, but they still pony-ed up the money and resigned old players like Pettite to try to compete)

by Realistic on Dec 10, 2008 5:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're probably right...

If he pitches the next three years like he did the last three, he’ll opt out and they’ll have to resign him, unless they are noncompetitive at that point. This isn’t as unrealistic as you might think. Damon, Jeter, Matsui and Posada will be just about done in three years. A-Rod will be declining. The rest of the roster sucks (unless Cano bounces back.) And with most teams locking up their young guys, it’ll be really hard to build through free agency.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 6:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe with CC

they won’t go after Tex (not that they really seemed to be in on him). I think Cashman probably realizes that he needs to keep 1B open long-term for Damon, Posada, Jeter and/or A-Rod.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 10, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jon Heyman is floating a Manny to the MFY rumor

Just what New York needs: another corner OF/DH.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t see it happening. They already have Damon, Matsui, Nady, and Swisher as outfielders. Then again, Manny could fit in if they move guys around a certain way.
Posada C/1B
Molina C
Swisher 1B/OF
Cano 2B
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Manny LF
Damon CF/DH
Gardner CF
Nady RF
Matsui DH

Their defense would be atrocious, but a lineup of Damon, Jeter, A-Rod, Manny, Posada, Swisher, Nady, Gardner/Matsui, Cano would be scary

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 1:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. Big news to wake up to…

Good? Maybe the Sox drove up the price tag with their meetings with CC. If so, great. Now I really doubt they spend that much money for Tex…

by Randy Booth on Dec 10, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully we can sign Tex, he’s the big bat we need after Manny left. He’d be a significant upgrade on defense and we might be able to trade Youky to start rebuilding our farm system.

by Chya on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Youk might be an upgrade

over an aging Lowell coming off injury, no?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t think so defensively, though…

by Randy Booth on Dec 10, 2008 1:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

youk vs. lowell

Offensively, absolutely. On defense, I’d argue that Lowell can make a few more plays than Youk.

by Schulz on Dec 10, 2008 2:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec'd

“Youky is not an acceptable abbreviation for Youkillis.”

Ha!

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 7:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trade? Youk?

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by Chemmy on Dec 10, 2008 1:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst. First Comment. Ever.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Dec 10, 2008 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about Tex being the big bat we need.

Not so much on the trading Yuky-thing though.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 7:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhh good for the yankees. 160M over 7 years for a guy whos known for getting a tired arm in the AL. Really id rather be the team that spends too much on tex than the team who spends that much on CC.

by spinz on Dec 10, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tired arm?

The guy has pitched 241 and 253 innings over the past two years, respectively. There are some complaints against the guy but durability certainly is not one of them.

by Gnick on Dec 10, 2008 7:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's probably referring to...

CC’s horrid results the last two years in the playoffs. In the 4 games he started he only pitched 19.0 innings, gave up 27 hits, 17 walks and 20 ER’s. This failure was largely attributed to a “tired arm” or something like that. But hell, just pitch the guy 200 innings in the reg season and you should be good for the playoffs.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 7:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Small sample space

I don’t put a whole lot of stock into those results. They’re such a small portion of what he’s done that they really can be discounted, especially when considering that 3 of them came against the offenses of the 2007 Yankees and Red Sox, both of whom were excellent offensive teams that year.

by Gnick on Dec 10, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Note to Yankees

This is 2009, not 1989. Why insist on building your team like it is 1989?

It’s a good thing there’s no such thing as 7th place in the AL East any longer. ;) If the Sox aren’t all injured like in 2008 and the Rays continue being an excellent team, do the Yankees really have much of a chance?

by morineko on Dec 10, 2008 4:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was kinda young in '89

How did they build them back then.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 5:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Straw.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 7:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If cc opts out every one

The yankees could lose cc and the 2 draft picks they have to give up for him!
Cashman has no idea about building a farm system. We bring up to 2 solid players a year.
And thats in a slow year.

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 10, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point.

So really they’d gain a pick.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 7:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I didn’t know players who opt out are classified FAs and therefore cost a draft pick. Is Burnett type A?

by Schulz on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

AJ Burnett right now is a type A free agent. The opt out clause allows them to opt out of their current contracts and become free agents. The Jays will be getting two extra picks this year.

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 3:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yankees 1996 team they cant make em like they use to, well maybe with a lot more money?

Pitchers
11 Dwight Gooden
17 Kenny Rogers
22 Jimmy Key
27 Graeme Lloyd
27 Bob Wickman
28 Scott Kamieniecki
29 Ricky Bones
35 John Wetteland
36 David Cone
39 Paul Gibson
41 Brian Boehringer
42 Mariano Rivera
43 Jeff Nelson
47 Dave Pavlas
52 Mark Hutton
17 David Weathers
54 Jim Mecir
55 Wally Whitehurst
56 Dale Polley
57 Steve Howe
57 Ramiro Mendoza
59 Billy Brewer
Catchers
13 Jim Leyritz
25, 45 Joe Girardi
60 Tim McIntosh

 2 Derek Jeter
12 Wade Boggs
13 Charlie Hayes
Outfielders Gerald Williams
CF Bernie Williams
RF Paul O’Neil
DH Rubén Sierra
Manager
6 Joe Torre
Why would you keep bringing in primadonads when you had won so many titles with
hustlers.
History repeats itself. Can that be the yanks slogan

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 picks pal

If a player declines, he is free to sign with any team. If a Type A player signs with a new team, his former team is compensated based on his new team’s record in the previous season. If the player’s new team was in the top half of Major League Baseball’s 30 clubs, the former team receives the new team’s first-round Draft pick plus a “sandwich” pick between the first and second rounds. If the new team finished in the bottom half of the standings, the former team receives the sandwich pick plus the new team’s second-round selection.

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 10, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Entirely wrong, Pal.

Well, kinda right. The team that loses the Type A player receives two picks. The signing team’s first rounder (if they pick in bottom half of first round) plus a supplemental draft pick. This is where you are confused. The supplemental pick does not come from the signing team (as I was discussing in the Smoltz thread a little while ago), it is a compensatory pick that comes inbetween the first and second round and is not “taken” from any team. These picks are inserted into the draft for every type A or B player that is signed. Thus even though the Brewers are gaining two picks, the Yankees are only losing one pick.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 6:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my bad

i was wrong only sox fans can admit they wrong.
cc type A ,Manny type A ,D lowe type A ,A.J. Burnett type A ,Ben Sheets type a
can the yanks really keep up with their wall street greed mentality somethings got to give
but on the other hand them being strapped with aging vets and no farm system that how you build a team.

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 10, 2008 6:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are definitely headed in the wrong direction.

If they get another FA pitcher, I think they’ll be real good this year and next, but after that it doesn’t look so good. I think they’ve decided that they have to win before their current position players are all done. They want to give Jetes one last run at it.

PS: if you want to respond to a specific comment hit “reply” below that comment.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey

When you’re responding to someone, click “reply.” It makes the thread easier to read.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 7:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good signing for the MFYs

Money/length issues aside, Sabathia and a healthy Wang are a HUGE upgrade over last year’s rotation (Wang was out after May, IIRC). Sabathia, Wang, ????, Joba, Hughes/etc. has the potential to be pretty frickin good. Even with their offense/age issue, Sabathia will help the Yanks make the East a three-way dogfight.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not scared

I would have been if they had CC ,Johan, wang, joba, Pettitte

by Red Sox #1 Fan on Dec 10, 2008 7:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They still might have Pettite.

Thats what I would do instead of bringing in two more FA’s.

by BTLove on Dec 10, 2008 7:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not gonna happen

Pettitte won’t return. Too pissed off at the Yanks front office for opting out of his contract.

by Charged on Dec 10, 2008 11:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Opting out of his contract?

What do you mean exactly? Pettite signed a one-year deal before last season. He is now a free agent. Neither him, nor the Yankees did any out opting (new phrase).

by Schulz on Dec 11, 2008 1:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They didn't offer him arbitration, he means I think.

In a way the Yanks could have given Pettite the option to come back at basically the same salary as last year. But no, they did not “opt out” of his contract.

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 3:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Sox have got to do something soon. I didn’t want them to not get one of Lowe or Burnett. It’s looking like the MFY are going to sign Burnett now. The reports of the 9 and 10 year deals being offered to Tex by Wash. and Balt. have me concerned we won’t get him either. We need another solid SP and a power bat, stating the obvious.

by matzushocka45 on Dec 10, 2008 8:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What we really need.

Is as you stated, another SP AND a catcher. If they do not end up with Tex, I still see them being productive offensively. Look for Youk to decline, but Papi to bounce back, Bay will do his .900OPS thing, Lowell should be reasonably productive and Ellsbury should improve. Lowrie should improve and Pedroia may come back a little.
But catching is a major issue, both behind the plate and at the plate. The SB rate against us was brutal and productivity with the stick was dreadful.
Maybe Theo IS thinking of signing Tex, flipping Youk(or Lowell) and Tek to the Dodgers for Martin? I don’t know…just saying…

by sydneysox on Dec 10, 2008 9:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we improve our offense enough at 1B/3B, then we don't have to improve as much at other places.

Obviously we are worst at catcher and we have a hole at the bottom end of our rotation. But it doesn’t really matter where the improvement comes from. The best value may be to get Tex, trade Lowell (not Youk) for a mediocre catcher and sign a kinda cheap 5th starter, then hope Buch of Bowden will get into that rotation (or make a midseason move).

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't get the opt out clause.

I can’t see him getting more money in three years. He’s coming off two career seasons. And I don’t see anyone driving up the market enough that he’ll get more than $23 million per when he’s 31. I guess maybe he’d get a five year deal that would be worth more than the $92m he’d still be owed, but it’s not like someone is going to commit to pay him $20m+ when he’s 37-38.

Unless he’s genuinely concerned about the quality of life in New York, or the future of the Yankees, I don’t get it.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It gives him options.

Its better to have an opt out clause, than to not have an opt out clause, right? I agree its unlikely he would opt out, but we said the same thing about the ARod, Burnett, and JD Drew deals. They all opted out of a lot of money. Why not throw the deal in there and maybe you make yourself some extra dough.

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 3:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of CC’s concerns was that he wouldn’t like it in NY because of the Media scrutiny, (he’s a Cali kind of guy) and there were even rumors that he would take a lower bid from a cali team just because he preferred there. The opt out clause was to ease these concerns, i.e. “If you really don’t like it here, in 3 years you can opt out and sign with a west coast team” instead of being stuck in NY for 7 years

by Realistic on Dec 11, 2008 10:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This contract is awfully

bad for the Yankees and great for the AL East. He is not worth the biggest contract ever for a pitcher. He isn’t a game changer. He isn’t dominate and has never shown any ability to pitch in the post season. Beckett is 10 times more deserving of this contract then C.C is. That said Beckett isn’t even close to worth this kind of cash. Pedro in his prime would be worth 3/4 of this. No pitcher in the history of the game is worth this kind of money. Sandy Koufax and Bob Gibson in their primes would be close but not quite.

This guy is a time bomb ready to explode on the Yankees payroll.

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by E5 on Dec 11, 2008 3:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is your argument

the old one that no one should be paid this to play baseball? or that after analyzing his numbers he is not worth it? according to the guys over at Fangraphs, he projects to be a +5.5 win player, which on the free agent market is worth $27.5 mil. So on a per year basis this singing is a little bit of a bargain. They are paying less for each marginal win than the Indians are in the Wood singing or the Mets in the KRod signing. It will probably be a good deal for a few years. The issue is the length of the contract. The chance that he will continue to be that good for the whole deal is not great.

Pedro in his prime was worth a hell of a lot more than this. Beckett doesn’t pitch the innings CC does, and had a terrible year in 2006. Otherwise he would be worth that money.

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 1:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$161 million for Sabathia ...

Poor cash-strapped MFY. The tax payers in NY should be pissed.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Dec 11, 2008 7:24 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More Yankees Talk.

A Melky Cabrera for Mike Cameron trade is in the works. The one downside, is that they loose yet another one of their few young, cost-controlled guys.
However, it does a lot for the MFY. It keeps CC happy, as the two are good friends. It also gives them better defense in CF, something they desperately need.
If I were Girrardi, and the Yankees traded for Cameron, this would be my lineup.
1. Damon (LF) 2. Jeter (SS) 3. X.Nady (RF) 4. A-Rod (3B) 5. Posada © 6. Swisher (1B) 7. Cameron (CF) 8. Matsui (DH) 9. Cano (2B).

It doesn’t scare me that much. They could try to get an Adam Dunn or somebody like that to play OF, put Damon at DH, and juggle everybody around.

by Schulz on Dec 11, 2008 11:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cameron is an upgrade

And was suspended for using a banned substance last year. He’ll be perfect in the Brox.

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by Drugs Delaney on Dec 11, 2008 12:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They definitely need another big bat

but the Cameron deal is definitely good for them for next year.

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 1:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

absolutely

It just baffles me how they continue to dump of their future players.

Courtesy of rotoworld:
Name / Age / Last year of current contract.

Posada-C / 37 / 2011
Swisher-1B / 28 / 2012(option)
Cano-2B / 26 / 2012 or 2013 (options)
Jeter-SS / 34 / 2010
A-Rod-3B / 33 /2017
Damon-OF / 35 / 2009
Nady-OF / 30 / 2009
Matsui-OF / 34 / 2009
Cameron(?)-OF / 35 / 2009

I don’t really know what my point is, just that a lot of these guys are old. They don’t have a lot of young prospects who are chomping at the bit to get a major league spot, so when these guys leave, they are going to overpay for more FAs. Also, check out that outfield. They are going to have to completely rebuild it after this year. Gardner will be ready, but beyond him, it’s gonna be two more big name FAs.

by Schulz on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My favorite is that both last year and the year before, Yanks fans used the excuse for losing “Well we had a lot of injuries, we were just unlucky”…turns out then when most of your team is old, injuries are bound to happen. It’s not being unlucky, it’s just being dumb for having so many old people on the team without a back-up plan for when then go on the DL

by Realistic on Dec 11, 2008 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the age of their team is the reason they're going after it now.

It makes no sense to wait on young pitchers when your entire lineup only has a few years left. They need to win in the next three years while ARod is still in his peak and Jeter is still a good player.

It really makes you appreciate what Theo has done. He let guys walk and used those picks to build our incredible farm system. There is no end in sight for the Sox’s success, but the Yanks’ future ain’t too bright.

by BTLove on Dec 11, 2008 8:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

I think that’s what I was getting at. They have been in “win now” mode for the past few years, but at least 3-4 years ago, there was no end in sight, as they just kept tweaking a very solid team every year. Now, that window is growing shorter. At some point they will have to practically rebuild their whole team, something I’ve never seen the Yankees do.

by Schulz on Dec 12, 2008 2:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup.

Now the question is how will they do it? Will they build through the draft and solid (but not superstar) acquisitions, like they did in the early 90’s, or will they try to buy it and avoid the down year? My guess is the latter, and this will lead to a bunch of down years.

by BTLove on Dec 12, 2008 3:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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