Sox "Aggressively Pursuing" Teixeira?
Nah, it's not big news. This is just me signifying that I'm ready to talk about it.
There's two schools of thought on this acquisition, beyond the obvious. Well, the obvious first.
Teixeira is a legitimate middle-of-the-order anchor. He'll be 29 near the beginning of next season, and plays excellent defense at first base. Some 162 game averages: 40 2Bs, 36 HRs, 102 R, 121 RsBI (last two somewhat team-based, I know). .290/.378/.541 over his career. He's been very healthy over the course of his career, with games played since 2003: 146, 145, 162, 162, 132, 157. As much as any first baseman would be, he's a good investment over a number of years. He's been healthy and should age well. Right-handed, he should be able to take great advantage of the Monster. Left-handed, I imagine he'd be able to hit a lot of line drives to a big right-center field.
First Option: Sign Tex, Trade Lowell.
So, we've signed Mark Teixeira to his required 42 year, 300 billion dollar contract. Done and done. We've got this greatly productive and defensively versatile youngish player in Kevin Youkilis (who is, in fact, older than Teixeira.) who can be moved to third base. The almost too-obvious solution to the log-jam is to trade the oldest and least-productive player. Couple caveats here: Lowell will be coming off of surgery and is 35. He also has $24M remaining over the next two years. He also has "no-trade protection" according to Cot's Contracts.
Who would want Lowell? Well, what teams will be in the market for a 3b? The White Sox have Crede probably leaving via FA, and probably won't want to commit to a full year of either Uribe or Josh Fields. The Twins have several decent options at 3b, internally, but none of which are up to the level of a healthy Lowell. Cleveland could be interested, especially if they keep Peralta at SS rather than acquiring a better defensive option for the position. Lowell would be a defensive upgrade, easily, over Casey Blake, and Andy Marte probably isn't the answer. The Rangers, potentially? Doesn't seem like a smart move given the state of their pitching staff, but they might prefer Lowell over Ramon Vazquez. He'd represent an upgrade over Pedro Feliz for the Phillies. The Brewers could go with Lowell over Bill Hall. Offensively, Encarnacion can hack it at 3b for the Reds, but there are those who doubt he can hold up there on the defensive end. The Dodgers, depending upon whether they retain Blake. Giants? Doesn't seem smart for where they are right now, but he'd immediately become one of their biggest run producers.
So, to recap: White Sox, Twins, Clevelands, Rangers, Phillies, Brewers, Reds, Dodgers, and Giants. There's nothing to indicate that any of these teams are interested; it's just meant as a list of teams for whom Lowell would/could be an upgrade over their ML options in 2008, and who can potentially afford at least a large chunk of his remaining contract. All that being said, he's still going to be tough to move. 35, coming off of hip surgery? Teams aren't going to be banging down the door, and we shouldn't expect anything big in return unless he's packaged with something else.
Second Option: Sign Tex, Keep Lowell.
Lowell's health status is uncertain. It's not entirely unreasonable to think we'll have to keep him until he plays some ST games anyway. The problem with this scenario in the long-term is that only Youkilis would be asked to be defensively versatile. Signing Tex means 145-150 games of him at 1b, with 5-10 games in the DH spot. Youks would play the remaining games at 1b, several at 3b, and some, potentially, in LF or RF. The issue here is that keeping Lowell means we'll probably play Lowell more often than not, which means Youks might get the least games played amongst Lowell, Papi, Teixeira, Bay, and himself, and if he keeps up his production from this past season, he should see more PAs than everyone but Teixeira and Papi. This mitigates the upgrade Teixeira could represent. Some people have said they'd enjoy having Lowell as a RH-bat off the bench, but more often than not, it would be Youks who would be the bat off the bench, and he's potentially just too good to waste in that kind of role.
I'm not a fan of this option, but if the FO is really as interested in Tex as has been reported, then it might be the option we go with, at least until such a time as Lowell proves healthy.
Conclusion.
So what do we do? Option 1, Option 2, or neither? Tex is going to be a LONG-term investment, and even if he doesn't get a 10-year contract, something in the neighborhood of 7-9 should be expected. He'll be signed through his mid-late 30s, without question. We also have Lars Anderson to consider. If he continues to progress, conservatively, we could look for him to contribute at least by mid-2010 or the beginning of 2011. He's probably not going to play anything but 1b or DH. Do we block him, then trade him? Do we bring him along real slowly, then move Tex to the DH spot in 2011? We don't have a real projectable long-term solution at 3b, as opposed to Lars, who is looking better and better as time goes by.
We also have to consider that there's no guarantee that we sign Tex. The Yankees will probably be involved, no matter what they may be saying right now, and the Angels, if they're smart, will push hard to keep him in their lineup for a full season and many more. That's just two big-resource teams who could be involved. There's no telling who else might back the money truck up to his house in order to get him to sign. Thoughts?
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Here's a thought
Sign Tex, and if Lowell will go along with it, trade him, enough cash to cover his salary, and Anderson to the Padres for Jake Peavy. If the Padres are so desperate to trade him away, see if we can fleece them, though if they’re smart they’ll hold out for more prospects.
by RSNexile on Nov 3, 2008 4:48 PM EST 0 recs
Peavy
has a no trade clause, he will not go to an AL team.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 3, 2008 5:31 PM EST
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Yup
Forget Peavy.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Nov 3, 2008 5:55 PM EST
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Peavy is like Holliday
We just don’t know how much of his stats are inflated by the park he plays in. Which makes me think more and more that Adrian Gonzalez is the second best 1B in the NL, just behind Pujols.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 3, 2008 7:28 PM EST
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Nobody is JUST behind Pujols.
And I’d probably take Berkman over Adrian, at least for another year or two.
But I agree that Adrian is extremely good and extremely underrated.
And I agree that Peavy would still be good, but not seen as a Cy Young candidate outside of PETCO. In the AL, with a league-average defense, in a league-average park, my guess on his ERA is 3.50.
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by Sky Kalkman on
Nov 4, 2008 9:20 AM EST
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Yeah, you're right about Pujols, my bad
But I’d still take Gonzalez over Berkman. Adrian is still getting better, he’s learning to take walks and he also plays in that gigantic ballpark. Right now, Berkman is still the better player, but I’m not so sure about next season.
But, actually, people should talk more about both. Berkman and Gonzalez are very underrated.
I like Peavy, he has nice stuff. However, I agree with the ERA you said. That’s likely his line in the AL, or maybe worse playing in Fenway.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 4, 2008 11:02 AM EST
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Pass on Tex
Too much money and too much time.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 3, 2008 5:06 PM EST 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I’d love to get him… I just don’t see a spot open for him.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 3, 2008 5:07 PM EST
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I agree
I think it’s a case of just getting too greedy. Tex would be a great addition to the Sox, but it’s not an area that is weak (assuming Mike comes back healthy).
This dilemma of the 1B/3B would go away if Papi would learn how to play first base………..
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on
Nov 3, 2008 5:27 PM EST
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If only I had a time machine...
If we pass on Tex (I’m assuming he signs w/ LA or NY) the 2009 season will dictate if it was a smart choice. It basically all comes down to Lowell. If he recovers well, and plays 145 solid games at third, and Youk does his thing, Theo will look like a genius. If Lowell’s hips start causing trouble in May, and he spends an extended amount of time on the DL, not getting Teixeira will look like one of the biggest managerial blunders for us in the past few years.
by Schulz on
Nov 4, 2008 12:25 PM EST
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If...
the Angels or Orioles sign Teixeira I think the Sox are happy. We just need to keep him from MFY.
If Teixeira wants a 7 year deal, I say do it and worry about moving Lowell latter. The Sox have a lot of pieces other teams want: Coco, Buchholz, Bowden, even Lowell and Lugo if the Sox eat some money.
Also, Peavy is not going to be in the AL, so everyone just needs to understand that there is no package that will work bc Peavy will veto it.
by SoxAcumen on Nov 3, 2008 5:30 PM EST 0 recs
If I recall correctly
Tex turned down 8 years, $140 million from the Rangers.
I bet he wants ten years, at $20 million per.
I’d give it to him.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Nov 3, 2008 6:20 PM EST
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Agreed
Give the man whatever he wants. He’s proven to be one of the best 1B in baseball both offensively and defensively.
by Gnick on
Nov 3, 2008 9:43 PM EST
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10 years is too many
he is 29, 39 is too old. 8 years is my max on him. And that is only if Teixeira is gonna DH some after 35.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 4, 2008 12:31 AM EST
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I agree 10 is too many.
Eight feels like the maximum to me too, and I’d rather go for seven.
As it is, I’m beginning to doubt very much whether we’re seriously after him rather than just forcing the Angels and Yankees into a bidding war (it was described as a perfect storm of interest for Teixeira, and by hokey, that’s right).
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by britsoxfan on
Nov 4, 2008 3:24 AM EST
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Everyone keeps saying Peavy will nix a deal to the AL, but I’m sure a nice extension (especially if we loose the Tex sweepstakes) would change his tune.
$$$ talks, nothing else matters to professional athletes.
by matzushocka45 on Nov 3, 2008 6:40 PM EST 0 recs
Peavy isn't a free agent
So it isn’t just a matter of money. He has a no-trade clause and, by most accounts, will only waive it for a select few teams. The Sox aren’t one of them.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Nov 3, 2008 8:15 PM EST
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Even if he would waive it,
he’s not worth the cost in prospects. We’d have to sell the farm, and word on the street is that he slipped some last year.
I dn’t want him, we’d be better off playing the FA market for pitching.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Nov 3, 2008 8:42 PM EST
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No chance
Peavy has stated through his agent and the Padres the list is down to St. Louis, Atlanta, Houston and LA Dodgers. No chance of Peavy coming to the AL East.
Trust me, I am sure the Padres called the Red Sox and Yankees first in hopes of getting Hughes or Buchholz, but Peavy heard the rumors and made a statement about not wanting to play in the NL.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 4, 2008 12:27 AM EST
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He just added the MFY to his list of teams late yesterday. I know he is not a FA, nut my larger point ws if we gave him an extension for more $$$ it may change his mind.
by matzushocka45 on
Nov 4, 2008 7:18 AM EST
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I do not think its gonna happen
The MFY report is to drive the Braves to include Tommy Hanson into a package. Both the Red Sox and Yankees realize if they want pitching they just have to spend money and the FAs available are better than Peavy. CC and Burnett are better pitchers and only cost money.
I just do not see either the Sox or Yankees giving CC type money to Peavy AND sending Buchholz/Hughes when CC, Burnett, Sheet and Lowe are all available for just $$$.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 4, 2008 2:10 PM EST
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Extension for Peavy would be tough
Peavy is already signed through 2012 with club option for 2013 (at $22 mil). I’m sure whoever trades for him would at least have to pick up the club option. So an extension would mean going more than the five years you already have him. More than 5 years for a pitcher almost never works out for the club. see Kevin Brown, Mike Hampton, Barry Zito etc…
by BTLove on
Nov 7, 2008 6:29 PM EST
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If the oppurtunity presents itself
Then we make the deal and some how trade Lowell. That is the biggest obstacle.
This situation happened last offseason as well. While everyone was in love with Lowell, I was one of the few that thought we should have aggressively pursued A-Rod. Had to know the Manny and Papi era is going to end sometime….
Tex is a LONGTERM answer and Lowell is not, of course. Sign Tex.
I’m dying already:
1. Ells
2. Pedroia
3. Tex
4. Papi
5. Youk
6. Bay
7. Drew
8. Lowire
9. Tek
Nasty.
"Why not us?"
by reversecursing on Nov 3, 2008 9:30 PM EST 0 recs
Lowell solution
Why not trade Lowell, Coco, and maybe a prospect or two to Minnesota for Joe Mauer? Or else do a Lugo for Ramon Hernandez. Solve some problems…
"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."
by revigik on Nov 3, 2008 9:36 PM EST 0 recs
Mauer
There is not way “Lowell, Coco, and maybe a prospect or two” would not come close to cutting it for Minnesota to get Mauer. Even if those prospects were Buchholz and Anderson.
In regards to Texeira blocking Anderson: the Red Sox have a vast payroll, with this in mind it would be smart for them to sign one of the best players in the game rather than gamble on the prospect that may or may not turn out. Besides, by the time Anderson is ready Ortiz will probably be on his way out.
by Gnick on
Nov 3, 2008 9:46 PM EST
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Twinkies
The Twins, I believe, are the team that would most likely trade for him.
80%+ of his contract would have to get picked up, though.
Sox could receive a couple of relievers at best, in my opinion.
The Sox won’t sell low on Lowell so thats the issue. To get Teixeira they will have to sign him and then during ST wait for Lowell to prove that he’s healthy. Thats the only scenario that’s realistic in my opinion.
"Why not us?"
by reversecursing on
Nov 3, 2008 9:54 PM EST
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Joe Mauer?
Minny would have to sweeten the pot… If they throw in Denard Span and Kevin Slowey as well, I think I’d even go as far as putting David Pauley in the deal as well…
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 3, 2008 9:53 PM EST
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I bet they'd want Hanseck.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Nov 3, 2008 9:55 PM EST
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Fine.
But we absolutely CANNOT trade Cora. The only possible trade of Cora that I’d do is Cora – Hawking, but Cambridge University would have to provide salary compensation.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on
Nov 3, 2008 10:55 PM EST
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I saw him in a cake shop in Cambridge recently.
Buying cake.
He would need a good supply of cake in Boston, is what I’m getting at.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on
Nov 4, 2008 3:22 AM EST
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As long as he's not buying yellowcake.
That could cause problems.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on
Nov 4, 2008 10:08 AM EST
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He needs it for his time machine.
(Note – I had to look ‘yellowcake’ up. I thought you meant urinal cake…)
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by britsoxfan on
Nov 4, 2008 10:16 AM EST
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To get Mauer
Buchholz would have to be in any deal. If they would not give up Santana for less than Buchholz, they will not give up Mauer for anything less.
Plus Mauer is there star for their new building in 2010, I really doubt he is available.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 4, 2008 12:28 AM EST
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sign Tex, keep Lowell
in case no one has noticed, Ortiz looks done
I hope not. But at some point, you have to believe your lying eyes
Lowell/Youk split 3rd and DH
Ortiz plays when he starts to hit
by Frank Malzone on Nov 4, 2008 12:28 AM EST 0 recs
I disagree
He played hurt all year.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
Nov 4, 2008 12:52 AM EST
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Age related injuries do not stop or go away.
That is the reality behind Lowell and Papi’s porblems. Got to face the reality of life folks!!
by NG on
Nov 4, 2008 9:31 AM EST
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Indians are claiming
they will take a young closer type for Kelly Shoppach? Does the Sox have anyone like that in the system?
Daniel Bard? Anyone?
by SoxAcumen on Nov 4, 2008 12:29 AM EST 0 recs
my turn to disagree
Masterson is far more valuable than Shoppach
by Frank Malzone on
Nov 4, 2008 5:31 AM EST
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I agree
Masterson is on the untradable section. Like Lowrie and Ellsbury.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 4, 2008 2:06 PM EST
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Disagree
While I’m not sure I’d send Masterson for Shoppach, I don’t think Masterson, Lowrie, or Ellsbury are untouchable.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Nov 4, 2008 3:54 PM EST
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Agreed, mostly
I think Lowrie should be out of bounds for any deal. I do not want a full season of Julio Lugo anymore.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 4, 2008 4:12 PM EST
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Lowrie
I’m not sold on Lowrie as the SS of the future. For me, he’s absolutely not untouchable
by Schulz on
Nov 4, 2008 7:37 PM EST
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I wasn't saying trade Masterson for Shoppach
I was just saying he fits the bill as a young closer type.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on
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I'm not even sure it'd be that bad an idea.
Sure, relative ages and everything, but Shoppach is as proven a young catcher as any who might really be on the market, and it’s a huge position of need for us.
I’m not advocating it, but I’m not exactly going to burn all my Sox attire and memorabilia either.
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by Allen Chace on
Nov 4, 2008 10:46 PM EST
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Hey,didn't we have a Shoppach once?
Oh yeah… that’s right.
by sggut95 on
Nov 4, 2008 7:15 AM EST
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If you want to have some fun
Ask an Indian fan how Andy Marte turned out…
The trade ended up being Shoppach for Crisp. Crisp’s given us two and a half seasons of spectacular defense.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on
Nov 4, 2008 11:18 PM EST
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I know he hasn’t lived up to the hype but Delcarmen could be someone the Tribe were interested in, even maybe Okajima ? I know we would have to part with more for Shoppach, but one of those two and someone else would get it done IMO. Masterson is taking over the set up role, and there are some LHP bullpen options available via FA that could replace Oki-dokie who is only signed to a one year deal as is right now.
by matzushocka45 on
Nov 4, 2008 7:21 AM EST
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Okie
is CHEAP, he is going nowhere. 1.75 million a year for what he does is a steal. Plus he is the Sox only reliable LRP in the pen.
by SoxAcumen on
Nov 4, 2008 2:04 PM EST
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Texy not so sexy
Sox already have a Tiexiera. His name is Kevin Youkilis. Stay away from the big money Boras client and leave Youk at first until Lars Anderson is ready to roll. Lowell should be fine. He’s tough, baseball smart, and a good clubhouse leader. What the sox really need is a catcher. Like Gerald Laird.
by sggut95 on Nov 4, 2008 7:22 AM EST 0 recs
Agree... Sort of
I don’t like Laird. He’d take quite a bit too get, he doesn’t have the upside of other young catchers, he never walks and he just isn’t very good with the bat. I don’t know what people see in him.
If we could get him for low prospects, nice. But that won’t happen, and he won’t take a whole lot less to get than other better options.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on
Nov 4, 2008 7:31 AM EST
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I’d rather have Varitek than Laird.
These should be our realistic targets in order:
Teagarden
Shoppach
Salty
I am not going to include Mauer or Martin as I don’t think those guys will be dealt as othrs have speculated.
by matzushocka45 on
Nov 4, 2008 7:41 AM EST
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Salty stinks
He has no catching skills, and projects as a 1B/DH.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on
Nov 4, 2008 9:37 AM EST
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I really don't see Theo signing Tex.
Getting trapped in a bidding war isn’t his M.O. He might be in this just to push the price up for the Angels. Of course, taking Teixeira from them could really knee-cap their offense.
If Cashman’s in the driver’s seat, I don’t see the Yankees in this. Tex is too much for too long in a position the Yankees can fill with Posada, Damon, and Jeter / A-Rod down the line.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 4, 2008 12:48 PM EST 0 recs
How on Earth do you project Youk as a bench player?
Youk just had a career year. He has a consistent approach at the plate, takes walks, and plays terrific defense (especially for his build) at two positions. Kevin Youkilis does not play off the bench. At this point, Ortiz sits before Youk.
Sign Teixeira and work out the roster kinks later. Depth never hurts.
Look at Coco Crisp who groused about being the 4th OF early this year. He finished with 361 ABs (at least 396 PAs once you add BBs) and a very respectable line of .283/.344/.407. It would certainly be a luxury to have Youk rotate around and carry an essentially superfluous $12 M player (Lowell).
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Nov 4, 2008 1:04 PM EST 0 recs
Ortiz
For the record, Ortiz had an .876 OPS while Youk had a .959 OPS.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on
Nov 4, 2008 1:06 PM EST
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I think Allen worries
that Francona will play the veterans (Lowell and Ortiz) over Youk.
There’s a very simple solution to this – trade Francona to Tampa Bay for Joe Maddon and a prospect (how about David Price?). The Rays get a veteran manager who won’t make stupid mistakes in the playoffs, the Sox get rid of a veteran manager who made stupid mistakes in the playoffs, Price and Lester battle it out for the Cy Young, and Joe Maddon gets DFAd. Everybody wins!
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on
Nov 4, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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Ecoli is right.
I can’t see Papi being sat for Youk, and a healthy Lowell will play 3B more often than not for Francona. I’m not saying it’s right, SD, but you know that’s what would happen.
I expressed concern about the fact that he’d be the only one asked to be defensively versatile, despite being the most productive non-Tex hitter in the group.
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by Allen Chace on
Nov 4, 2008 1:40 PM EST
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Heh. Did you know...?
Brian Giles had a .306/.398/.456 line? That’s an incredible .854 OPS for a 37 year old, half at PETCO Park.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Nov 4, 2008 1:08 PM EST 0 recs
Was he the one who turned down the trade to the Sox, or was it his brother Marcus?
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on
Nov 4, 2008 5:15 PM EST
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Short memory of the scorned?
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on
Nov 4, 2008 5:47 PM EST
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Brian was the one.
No idea his brother was on the same team. No wonder he wanted to stay in San Diego.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on
Nov 4, 2008 6:17 PM EST
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Yeah
The Padres signed/traded for Marcus Giles, once a very good 2B. Marcus stunk.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on
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and he's a very good defensive corner outfielder
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