Baseball America's Top 10 Red Sox Prospects, 2009

BA likes several of the recent draftees - Casey Kelly is #6 (with the "Best Curveball" in the system), and Ryan Westmoreland is #7. Some good stuff here. For instance, I'd never heard of Zach Daeges before, but his numbers are pretty cool (.412 OBP in AA this year).

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I like what I see there. We’ll be updating our Top 20 list very soon…

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by Randy Booth on Nov 13, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

That's a very rosey report from Baseball America

For a big-market team the Red Sox were quick to identify that home-grown talent is the way to go, and that’s paying huge dividends.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Nov 13, 2008 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hagadone the 3rd best prospect is a stretch

It just is… Oh, and Zach Daeges could be a poor man’s Kevin Youkilis. Yay!

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 13, 2008 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

IIRC

The first poor man’s Kevin Youkilis was Youk himself. In Moneyball at least, his ability to hit for power was questioned, and he was described by some scouts and Beane himself as “a fat third baseman.” Soxprospects.com questions Daeges’ defensive skills, and ability to hit for power.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 13, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't have the numbers here, and I'm too lazy to search it right now

But as far as I remember, Daeges is not that far from where Youk was when he was the same age. Could be wrong, however.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Numbers:

Daeges, 24, AA: 108 games, .412 OBP
Youks, 24, AA: 94 games, holycrap.487OBPhigherthanhisSLGpctOMFG.

Not low on Daeges, but Youks was otherworldly w/r/t plate discipline in his days in the minors.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 13, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, I should have checked the numbers before I said that

My bad.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 13, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's all good.

I could hardly believe Youks’ OBPs from pre to AA when I saw them. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 13, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Question:

What is IIRC?

by Schulz on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If I Remember/Recall Correctly.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 13, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly right on Hagadone.

I like him, but cripes.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 13, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cripes?

He’s a 6’5", 230 lb lefty who can hit 98, has a nasty secondary pitch, has recently gotten his shoulder cleaned up and is supposedly recovering nicely.

I’d rank him higher than Bard, if only because starter > reliever. Reddick could’ve challenged him, but then he went and hit .214 in AA. I don’t think anyone else is close. Kelly and Westmoreland could both be nasty, but it’s hard to project them so soon after they were drafted.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Nov 14, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to wait and see how that shoulder looks in game action.

Otherwise, I agree with you. As it is, we know Bard is healthy and able to pitch. We don’t know that for sure with Hagadone.

Reddick scares the F out of me. He could easily be Francoeur redux.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 14, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Reddick's ceilng seems to be Trot.

And fair point on Hagadone.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Nov 14, 2008 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well. And "cripes"

Was too strong a word. I like Hagadone, but he’s a BIT of a ? at this point.

And I feel like Reddick could be better than Trot, at least in the HR/power department. Trot also had better on-base skills, which is what scares me about Reddick.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 14, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the only one who has never said "cripes" before?

and Trot was a damn good hitter in his prime.

by BTLove on Nov 16, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope.

Me neither. USA! (joking)

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 16, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Loved Trot.

One great season, a couple very good ones.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Nov 16, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Picked the "cripes" habit up from my Dad.

I think it’s his non-expletive expletive of choice.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Nov 18, 2008 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

BA loves to overrate the draft

These guys are pretty obsessed with the draft and a lot of times overrate the recently drafted and underrate international prospects. Its pretty clear here with Hagadone and Kelly so high even though they’re pretty far off and haven’t really done anything yet.

by BTLove on Nov 13, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yes. This is true.

Their rankings are based on discussions with scouting and player development staff, so they tend to value raw stuff more than actual production, and to give high rankings to recent draftees.

When deciding player rankings myself, I like to give more weight to prospects who have succeeded throughout the minors and are close to the majors than exciting recent draftees (e.g. Casey Kelly).

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 13, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the only one who cried while reading the 2012 Projected Lineup?

Tears of joy that is. This team would F’N ROCK:

Catcher Luis Exposito
First Base Lars Anderson
Second Base Dustin Pedroia
Third Base Kevin Youkilis
Shortstop Jed Lowrie
Left Field Jason Bay
Center Field Jacoby Ellsbury
Right Field Josh Reddick
Designated Hitter David Ortiz
No. 1 Starter Jon Lester
No. 2 Starter Josh Beckett
No. 3 Starter Clay Buchholz
No. 4 Starter Daisuke Matsuzaka
No. 5 Starter Michael Bowden
Closer Jonathan Papelbon

Also, we really like the kids with “J” names, don’t we?

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 13, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yes, we do.

We may see a future where everyone on the team is required to choose names that begin with J. Then we’d start Javid Ortiz, Jay Buchholz, and Jaisuke Jatsujaka. They could call us the Red Jays.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 13, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs