Holliday to the Athletics??!!!!
by 0157H7 on Nov 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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PrintAccording to Sports Illustrated and other sources, the Oakland Athletics (!) traded for Matt Holliday today. The players going to Colorado are not yet known.
This is huge news, and very surprising to me. Presumably Billy Beane means to sign him long-term, because otherwise all the A's will be holding come 2010 will be a couple of draft picks. Holliday should cost nearly $20 million per year, and is undoubtedly looking for a LONG deal. More info as it comes in.
IF Holliday is locked up, it deprives the Red Sox and Yankees (and Angels, and everyone else) of a young power hitter who plays good defense. It also affects how much Jason Bay will get in an extension from Boston, or on the open market if we can't resign him.
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I have to wonder...
…if Beane thinks he’ll be able to parlay Holliday into better prospects in July.
If the A's don't contend, I bet he can something similar back.
And if they do contend, well, first that’s a great thing for the A’s. And second, two high draft picks are pretty valuable. Something like $15MM together.
I don’t see them signing Holliday long term, as he probably will demand more than he’s really worth and the A’s don’t have the payroll to lock up someone at that price.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Really Surprising.
You don’t put it past Billy Beane to be aggressive if they are close to competing, but with the Angels in that division I just don’t see it. I also can’t believe they are going to extend him. Unless they are planning on significantly increasing payroll, there is no way they would want to commit $100 mil+ to one player.
Maybe Beane thought he got a good price on Holliday and can maybe give it a shot for half the season and if it doesn’t work out he will just flip him and get equivalent prospcts back. Wierd.
Angels are quite overrated. They were really more of a 90-win team this year in terms of talent.
I bet the A’s aren’t done this off-season.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
90 wins is based on pythags,
but this tends to undervalue teams with good bullpens; i.e. the Angels. Maybe 100 wins was overperforming, but 95 wins seems accurate if they can retain Teixeira. But Oakland definitely needs to do something else to compete with Anaheim.
Tex is a big (and expensive) IF.
Although maybe Morales or another of their young hitters will step up.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
According to Yahoo
the Rockies receive Huston Street, Greg Smith, and Carlos Gonzalez. The deal is agreed to “in principle” but not finalized.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
So Street is the new closer, with Fuentes gone.
CarGon patrols the outfield at Coors, and Greg Smith in the rotation. It’s a reasonable haul, I suppose, for a premier slugger.
Smith was better last year than I thought. Not an ace, but serviceable.
Beane thinks he can win it all in 09.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
Gonzalez
was pretty rancid last year. Prospect watchers seem to like him, though. Sickels had him at number one in the A’s system in August.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
Actually, Smith was pretty bad last year if you look past the ERA.
He had 111 Ks to 81 Ks. Pitching in front of a very good defense and in the Coliseum will give anyone a decent ERA.
His tRA* was 5.55 meaning he was actually more like a 5.20 ERA pitcher in talent shown.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
"He had 111 Ks to 81 Ks."?
81 Ks = BBs?
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
I thought he pitched like a number five, from memory.
And his top-level stats are better than that, though, as you say, his peripherals would worry me if I were a God-favoured Rockies fan.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
Wow
Didn’t see that one coming. Do the A’s have more tricks up their sleeve? They are more than one bat away from contending, even if that bat is Matt Holliday. I’m glad it happened because it keeps Holliday away from our opponents and probably makes Theo more compelled to extend Jason Bay (which I am pulling for).
The other bat could be HGHiambi
All he’d cost them is money and draft picks, if they can get him on a 1-year deal.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Giambi wouldn't cost draft picks, since he's a Type B guy.
I like him, too, as he might actually sign for less than he’s worth. Of course, the A’s already have a DH in Jack Cust.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Cust
Occasionally played the OF if I remember correctly, which I may not.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Cust "plays" the "outfield"
a little like Wily Mo Pena “plays” the “outfield”.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
According to ESPN
The A’s definitely included Greg Smith. Other players that were discussed included LHP Brett Anderson (apparently a very good prospect), Ryan Sweeney, and Carlos Gonzalez.
Oakland has been weighing offers for closer Huston Street, but it’s uncertain if Street is part of the Holliday deal.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
More Details
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reported that the A’s traded Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith, and Huston Street for Colorado left fielder Matt Holiday. That seems to corroborate the general consensus here.
Holiday is owed $13.5 M for 2009 and will then become a free agent without a contract extension. His agent, as we all know, is Darth Vader (:ahem: Scott Boras).
Athletics Nation offered some interesting contract-related information on their former players: Huston Street is arbitration-eligible and has two years of team control remaining; Greg Smith has five remaining years of team control, and Carlos Gonzalez has six.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Athletics Nation
Is freaking out right now, by the way. :-)
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
ROYs
Evan Longoria was named AL ROY and Geovanni Soto was named NL ROY.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
That was pretty much everyone's predictions.
Right choices.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
Longoria and Soto
Made it easy on the voters this year. In different ways, so did Fukodome and Ellsbury.
A playoff berth for the Tigers should’ve brought a little more attention to Armando Galarraga.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
It makes sense I guess.
Keep him till he’s a free agent (Type A, most likely), he’ll probably net them two draft picks if they offer him arbitration.
Or flip him this summer for more prospects, assuming he performs well against a division with the Mariners and the Ranger’s pitching staff in it.
Beane doesn’t do stuff for no reason. Why you be hatin on Moneyball, 0157H7?
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For shizzah
2 draft picks are not worth Street, Smith, and Carlos Gonzalez. Dat’s why I be hatin’. Street will be as much of a Type A as Holliday is, so this is unlikely to be about picks. My guess is Beane thinks he can get a better package for Holliday at the deadline than he gave up. But Holliday won’t sign to an extension with an acquiring team, so the return won’t be much.
And there’s no doubt that Holliday will be a Type A. None whatsoever. (Unless he becomes a triple amputee.)
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Dodging questions?
Depends if Street can rebound as a closer.
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Could the A's trade up?
Perhaps the A’s were less enamored by what they saw from Smith, Street, and Carlos Gonzalez last year and figure that even if Holliday is a half-year rental they can get more value than the three players the A’s reportedly traded.
They have a terrific bullpen that features Zeigler, Devine, and Casilla, even without Street. I like their ‘pen in 2009 better than the Angels’.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Why can't teams just be allowed to trade picks?
It would save a lot of players moving fees.
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You ever talk to a minor leaguer?
That life sucks if you’re a journeyman, or even if you stay in one organization and keep getting promoted/demoted. Actually, staying on one minor league team for a long time sucks too. No glory.
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That's a good point.
I actually know a current minor leaguer and that’s no picnic. However, I don’t feel too bad about the fact that matt holliday might have to pay two separate moving bills in the next year.
I wasn't talking about the major league players.
I should have specified. There are probably several minor leaguers who make very little and who have been traded roughly once per season.
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I'd play baseball for "very little money"
The minor league minimum is $1100/month. Barely enough money to live on, but hey they’re playing baseball, I’d do it. Also, guys that hit the majors are making $380K. Not a lot when we’re talking baseball salaries, but I’d take it. Being a minor leaguer might not be all glory, but who around here wouldn’t do it if given the chance?
I would play for free
but will include performance bonuses.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
Umm... different cities every nite?
HotelsMotels can get expensive. That and no love with the ladies.
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I think the club pays for motels...
and haven’t you seen Bull Durham, Nuke Laloosh had an experienced Susan Surandon waiting for him in Durham for every homestand. Crash got some of that too.
Nuke is a lucky jerk.
BTW, they’re making a Bull Durham 2. Wicked excited for that…
by Randy Booth on Nov 11, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Trying to save the great movies for days when I need the distraction.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
I'd play for $10m a year over the next four years,
rising to as much as $15m based on performance, with win bonuses, $100k for winning the MVP, $50k each for Silver Slugger and Gold Glove awards, free hotel rooms and business-class flights, and as much sports massage as I wanted.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
I'd play as long as any of my neccesities were payed for.
No other money needed.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
I guess we'll find out how well Holliday hits away from Coors
If he has a big year, he’ll be the starting LF for the MFY in 2010.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
Could be a big NY v. NY bidding match for his services.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
Holliday v. Bay
Since the Red Sox have Jason Bay, I really doubt the Sox were serious players in the Holliday deals.
Rumors are that Street will be traded to another team. So I like the move. Its about time for the A’s to start competing and keep the Angels honest. Holliday is still young and fits their team. A’s have great young pitching and now they are trying to get some bats to help out. AL West is wide open.
Unfortunately for Oakland
Holliday is a 1-year rental.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Nov 10, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ecoli
Did you promote your own fanpost? I’m just entertained by that possibility, I suppose.
The generally agreed-upon players involved in the deal aren’t going to break the A’s. C-Gon is obviously the lynchpin due to his still exciting potential. This does make the A’s a lot more serious contenders for the West than most might’ve thought. Even with that, it feels like a really strange move for the A’s to make, but it doesn’t seem bad. As Sky notes above, Smith might be a bit overrated at this point. His MiL numbers are solid, if unspectacular.
Definitely a deal that we’ll need a good bit of time to properly evaluate. I cannot imagine Scott Boras is pleased about him going from still hitter-friendly Colorado to Oakland, but I don’t think it’ll make his numbers dip too much. He’s still a spectacular player, even if this move just before he enters FA might cost him $1-3M in AAV on his first big contract.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
I think SoxDevil did that.
I wasn’t sure if this was front-page material, and I don’t know how to front-page a fanpost.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
It should (I think) be one of your options under the "read related" box.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Nov 10, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not seeing it.
I don’t have administrative privileges, so that may be why.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
It wasn't Me
To quote Shaggy.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Why, thank you.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
It was me. Just trying to get fresh content on the front…
by Randy Booth on Nov 11, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
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