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Red Sox rotation finalized for ALCS

Terry Francona announced the Red Sox rotation today for the ALCS against the Tampa Bay Rays:

Game 1: Daisuke Matsuzaka
Game 2: Josh Beckett
Game 3: Jon Lester
Game 4: Tim Wakefield
Game 5: Matsuzaka
Game 6: Beckett
Game 7: Lester

The best pitcher we've had in the postseason is guaranteed to only pitch one game and it's the third one. However, if the series does go all seven we've got our best to pitch that game. It's bittersweet.

Thoughts on the rotation?

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Want to see Lester more than once

which won’t happen now unless the series goes all seven games, which happens about a third of the time in post-season history.

I have to trust Francona knows what he’s doing. I suspect the key is still Beckett’s health, which is not good according to a quote I read from Big Papi, who said Beckett was in a lot of pain when he pitched the other day. Obviously, Dice-K, with two probable starts, is the other key man for Boston.

by ccthemovieman on Oct 8, 2008 4:18 PM EDT   0 recs

it would of

been hard to have Lester pitch more than 2 games in this series.

3 and 6 are fine, I dont see the Rays beating us in 5 games.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 8, 2008 11:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm, Wakefield? I would have trusted Byrd more.

Nevertheless, I would have started Beckett in game 1, although that might have been too early. I always thought it was just too far-fetched to think Daisuke would start a series.

Good job on Lester getting to finish out the clinching game, buts this means that he is not expecting us to sweep. Otherwise, he would have started Lester in game 1, and if Wakefield cannot get the win, then start him in game 5.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 8, 2008 4:56 PM EDT   0 recs

The schedule is really strange

TB
TB
travel day
BOS
BOS
day off??
BOS
travel day
TB
TB

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 8, 2008 5:08 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm torn

As weird of a rotation as it is, I can see Tito’s logic in the decision. All three many pitchers will have an extra day rest, no more no less. Beckett is still clearly unhealthy, so I would not want him to start the first game because I want him to have as much rest as possible. Lester is still a very young pitcher. Not that I don’t trust him, but lets not forget that last year he only pitched 154 innings. This year, including postseason, he has pitched 224 innings. He deserves the day off.

None of the pitchers are guaranteed two starts this postseason, and we all know this is not going to be a quick series. It will be a long fought out battle, I would rather have our “ace” in the closer role of the series (game seven). At this point there is no one I would rather have on the mound then Lester but I do not want to jeopardize his future by over working him this year unless we really have to.

by drabidea on Oct 8, 2008 5:51 PM EDT   0 recs

wakey baby

I like wakefield over byrd. Wakefield has had alot of success over the Rays in the past. He would be great as a long reliever but so will byrd. I think he is the key to the series if he can shut down the rays in game four.

by lpthurston3 on Oct 8, 2008 5:57 PM EDT   0 recs

It’s just too bad that the game he pitches isn’t in Tampa, as his knuckleball always dances in domes where the air is controlled

by Realistic on Oct 9, 2008 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Wakefield has had a lot of success over the Rays in the Past"

The key word being “past.” The Rays are clearly a much different team this year than they used to be. While Wake used to dominate the Devil Rays, in three starts this year he went: 0-2, 5.87 ERA, 1.63 WHIP, over 15.1 IP (about 5 IP per game). He has been mediocre at best.

by Schulz on Oct 9, 2008 12:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

don't quite get the consternation

It would help matters not at all to push up Lester’s start. There are many reasons to stick with the Dice-K, Beckett, Lester order. And if your concern is that “Lester might only pitch once!” remember that the Sox need to win as many non-Lester starts no matter when he pitches. If both Dice-K and Beckett lose both their starts, it doesn’t matter when they are.

And the way the rotation is set up, all the pitchers get close to normal rest. Lester has already pitched more innings in 2008 than he’s ever pitched before, so I think the extra day off is wise. Beckett is obviously not in full health, so we’re pretty much going with Dice-K in game 1, right?

Once that is in place, you’ve got Beckett and Lester for Games 2 and 3, and you might as well keep the same order. And that leads to Wakefield and Dice-K again and…

at this point, if the Sox are down 3-2, they will have the option of using Lester again on normal rest. If Beckett was terrible in Game 2, Francona can consider that option.

Every off-season, it seems like fans want to tinker with the rotation. Rather than fretting about how the Sox might lose without having Lester pitch twice, why not think about how cool it would be to have him pitch Game 7, if necessary? And if it’s not necessary, he’s set to pitch Game 1 of the WS!

by RickD on Oct 8, 2008 6:25 PM EDT   0 recs

i agree with you

pretty much down the line. yes the team’s best pitcher is guaranteed to pitch only one game, but so is every other one when you have a four-man rotation.

by argo0 on Oct 8, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right: same rotation

I don’t think there is much strategy here, he’s just using the same order, as you state, he started with in the playoffs: Lester, Dice-K, Beckett. Since Lester pitched the last game, it’s Dice-K’s turn and then Beckett.

 It will be interesting to see how Matsusaka responds to being the opening-game pitcher. He doesn’t seem to be a guy who gets rattled, and I expect him to last longer than what he’s previously lasted in playoff games (no more than 5.3 IP). I have a good feeling about him. Let’s hope that feeling is right.

by ccthemovieman on Oct 9, 2008 10:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

alright, i'm back from my leave

Good to see that we are read to kick some Rays’ ass.

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT   0 recs

You missed all the fun with the crowd from Halos Heaven.

[/Sarcasm]

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2008 11:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've seen the shit stains on my monitor when i clicked onto the gamethreads.

Who’s gonna clean up all the shit being thrown around?

Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 9, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wake not at the Trop?

I understand that he’s had a few bad starts there recently, but with his amazing numbers lifetime at the Trop, why has Tito opted to pencil him in for Fenway where he’s a little less superior vs. the Devil Rays? Either way he’ll probably dominate against his favorite team to pitch against.

"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."

by revigik on Oct 8, 2008 11:59 PM EDT   0 recs

I had the same thought.

I’d go Wake in Game 1. Wake rules in domes.

Only I wouldn’t announce it til an hour before the game, so they can’t mess with the humidity in time to screw with his break.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 9, 2008 12:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wake "rules in domes?"

Not reallly…….at least this year.

April 4th at Toronto – 6 IP, 3 ER
April 25th at Tampa – 6 IP 4/3 R-ER, 5BB
Mayt 11that Minnesota – 2IP, 6 ER
July 1 – at Tampa – 7 IP 2/1 R-ER
Sept. 17 – at Tampa – 2 IP, 6 ER

One good game, one fair game, 3 horrible games in domes this season.
Total: 23 innings pitched, 19 earned runs

by ccthemovieman on Oct 9, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, you’re right, not this year. But 6 games is a very small sample size and in general, over his career he has ruled in domes. And logically speaking knuckleballers do better in domes because the air is controlled, and the ball dances more in still air

by Realistic on Oct 9, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually just checked his splits 05-07

and he was pretty lousy in both the Trop and in the Metrodome.

Yet the “good in domes” meme lives on.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 9, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wakefield might be just about cooked. I’m sure he’d wreak havoc on NL teams, though. Except for any team with Aaron Rowand, whom I believe has a .750 average against Wake.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 10, 2008 9:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Splits

His home splits this year are pretty awesome.

by drabidea on Oct 9, 2008 8:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ecoli FTW!

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Oct 9, 2008 2:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And...

and as mentioned above, Wake has been awesome at home, awful on the road. 10/14 starts at home have been great. In all respects, this rotation order is set up to maximize rest as well as pitchers pitching where they are comfortable.

by Buzzy on Oct 9, 2008 8:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, you really kill

let’s see… one, two three, four, five, six birds with one stone there.

1.Daisuke kicks ass on the road
2. Beckett kciks ass on the road
3.Lester kicks ass at home
4. Wakefield kicks ass at home more than at the trop… this year
5. Beckett gets an extra day of rest
6. Lester would be able to start game 7 if the series went that long… which it wont

Dumb when you look at it, brilliatn when you dissect it.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 9, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wake and the dome-

Don’t know where the idea came about that Wake is good in domes. Look at his career numbers. Aside from facing the Rays, his numbers suck in domes. Perhaps his numbers are good at the Trop since the Rays have sucked for so long. Otherwise, he has like a 5+ ERA in domes. He is traditionally strong at home, and this year he has kicked ass at Fenway. Lets hope that continues…

by Buzzy on Oct 9, 2008 11:26 AM EDT   0 recs

His stats definitely shows he does good in the dome. Look at his career stats for domed games:

ERA / WHIP / BA / K/9
3.92 / 1.28 / .230 / 6.76

Compared to his overall career stats:

4.32 / 1.35 / .252 / 6.13

So yes, his stats do show that he does good in domes. And also, just scientific logic would suggest that a knuckleballer would do better in a dome because the air movement is constant and there is no wind

by Realistic on Oct 9, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm

That is not a careful analysis. Roughly 1/3 of his dome starts have been at the Trop, where he has a career 2.86 ERA. However, as this year has likely shown, it’s not the dome, but the crappy Rays of the past that contributed to that. Now lets look at some other Wake dome stats:
SkyDome-4.33 ERA
Kingdome 9.64 ERA
Metrodome 4.54 ERA
Astrodome (in one crappy start) 4.91 ERA

ERA is not the best metric, and all of these stats are influienced by team, but aside from the Trop, I hardly think he is a great dome pitcher.

by Buzzy on Oct 9, 2008 5:56 PM EDT   0 recs

“And also, just scientific logic would suggest that a knuckleballer would do better in a dome because the air movement is constant and there is no wind”

This is not true. A knuckleball works because of turbulent eddies that result from the passage on a non (or slowly rotating) baseball through the air. As the air streams over the seams, these eddies are set up in the wake of the ball. A slight head wind actually makes a knuckleball change course in a much more erratic fashion than no wind. I agree that a strong wind is not a good thing for a knuckleball, but no wind is not optimal.

by Buzzy on Oct 10, 2008 9:24 AM EDT   0 recs

Just found out that Tim McClelland is the ump for game 1. He is known for having a VERY SMALL strike zone. The stats posted on him bare this out. This from his Wiki page:
Zach Greinke said of McClelland’s alleged tight strike zone, “For some reason, he’s the one umpire that scares me. I have nightmares about him.”

We might be in for a very long night with the DiceK/McClelland pair tonight ;(.

by Buzzy on Oct 10, 2008 10:00 AM EDT   0 recs

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