Jake Peavy Available?
by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 11:58 AM EDT
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Just to get us through the 2 dead days, speculation thread.
Supposedly, Jake Peavy can be gotten for the right price. I like this guy, he has guts, great stuff and is under contract for a 4 more years.
My question to everyone at OTM....
Would you approve of the Sox putting a package together with Buchholz + Bowden + a few more prospects to get Peavy?
Understand that I believe Lowrie, Lester, Masterson and Ellsbury are on the "Do not even Ask" list.
IMO Peavy is one of the few guys in MLB that I would dump the farm to get. He is a young Roy Halladay and I believe would fit into the Red Sox clubhouse very nicely.
Anyone have thoughts on this?
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If we can get him not trading Lowrie, Lester, Lars or Ellsbury
Hey, I’m all up for it. Jake Peavy has great stuff, he’s still young and under a cheap contract.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Buchholz AND Bowden
I’d trade one, but not both.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 7, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about
Lugo, Bowden, Kris Johnson, Che-Hsuan Lin (Red Sox ML Defensive POTY) + Cash (for Lugo’s contract).
Too light?
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 7, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I would say that is too light. We would need to include another big name prospect, especially if we make them take lugo off our hands. Even if we pay for him, he’s just a wasted roster spot for the Padres.
by Schulz on Oct 7, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i take that back
Lugo could probably start for the Padres who currently have Khalil Greene starting at SS. This year: .213, 10 Hr, 35 RBI
by Schulz on Oct 7, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I was thinking. And that’s what the cash is for.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 8, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason the Padres would ever take this package
Is if they wanna help the Red Sox to win more WS.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about ...
Coco + Buchholz + a prospect for Peavy?
Not enough?
by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coco, Lugo, Buchholz, Lin, Cash (money, not the catcher) for Peavy…
by Randy Booth on Oct 10, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might get it done after a lot of haggling.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 10, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lowercase for cash woulda worked prolly...
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 13, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CoCo in the deal...
I would put CoCo in the deal, according to an ESPN article, the Pads are looking for a CF that can start now and a few prospects.
I like the offer CoCo, Buch, + prospect for Peavy….I really hope we can pull this one off…
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GO SOX!!
by Bama Sox on Oct 17, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what, I would.
I don’t think Bowden projects to more than a #3, and while you’d have to go a long way to find a bigger believer in Buchholz than me, he is still a work in progress. Peavy is a superb pitcher, with an excellent contract; a genuine #1 in any team. Really the only player I’d declare off limits would be Lars, because it looks like we will need him within the next 18 months, given Lowell’s health issues.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Oct 7, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
I’m pretty wary of giving up young players with alot of potential. So many of our young players have served us so well, and we’ve built a real strong team with a combination of young players (Lowrie, Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Pedroia) and veterans (Lowell, Tek, Big Papi, Drew sort of).
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
by pedroiastroika on Oct 7, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy is 27
and under contract for 4 more years at 6.5 million a year.
I guess the question is what is everyone’s expectations for Buchholz v. what we have seen from Peavy.
by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Warnings
Remember that Peavy pitches in the NL, in a weak division in the NL, in one of the best pitchers parks in the majors and does not appear to have the kind of body built for durability. He is a good pitcher, no doubt, but given what we already have I would hold on to the prospects. Remember that most top pitching prospects have problems early on (including Peavy, who logged 200+ innings at a young age before getting his ERA below 4 and his WHIP below 1.4).
by Buzzy on Oct 7, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good points
NL west is pretty terrible.
by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy not good on the road...
Just checked Peavy’s splits. As I suspected (see above), Peavy’s road ERA is 3.80 (more than a full point above his home ERA-a lot more HRs allowed). My guess is that in the AL East and at Fenway he would be nothing special. Plus, I think he has crapped his pants in his 3 playoff starts.
by Buzzy on Oct 7, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
The Sox should pass on Peavy.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Sox would be more interested in AJ Burnett or Ben Sheets.
At least they’d only cost money. And our depth in the rotation provides some protection if one of them is lost to injury.
Peavy is almost the definition of an untradeable player. Now, obviously no one is too good to trade, but it’s hard to imagine they’d want to trade him. It’s not that hard to the win the Wildcard in the NL, especially in the NL West (Worst) Division. But trading Peavy sends them into rebuilding mode.
Anyway, like with Santana, I don’t see Theo making a move for Peavy. Especially with plausible alternatives on the FA market.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 7, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great signature
i didn’t hear that bay had said that about the cut on his hand. great stuff.
A-Rod drinks wine coolers and Jeter wears lipstick.
by pedroiastroika on Oct 7, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's from
this ESPN article.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Sheets?
You’re kidding. Really? Ben Sheets? I’d rather get Lowe back. At least we know sinkerballers are usually durable.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe was exiled because of his off-the-field activities
He has as much chance as Manny of coming back.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he stopped drinking
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheating with newscasters is a time-honored Red Sox tradition.
I’m looking at you, Tek.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 10, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my impression
of the Sox FO. Apparently John Henry wanted to acquire Burnett in the 2005 offseason (as a FA), rather than trade for Beckett. Link.
His reasoning was as follows:
“It wasn’t that Henry thought Burnett was necessarily the better pitcher, or that Beckett would be a failure. Henry was merely looking at his options as a businessman, and in a cost analysis, decided that all things being relatively equal, the Sox would be better off spending money for Burnett rather than spending prospects to land Beckett.”
Granted, Henry doesn’t run baseball operations – it’s Theo’s opinion that counts. Starting pitching isn’t really a need for our team at the moment; it’s more of a luxury. I see them trading for a catcher rather than a starter.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure on SP being a luxury
It is if Buch or Bowden are in our plans in 2009. Otherwise, we could make our rotation even stronger if we add one pitcher. Then it’s Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, (name the pitcher here), Wake. This pitcher could be Buch or Bowden, but I’m not so sure on them for next season.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 8, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would take WAY too much
Picture the package we offered for Santana and add atleast two more prospects. That is what it would take. No thanks.
by drabidea on Oct 8, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look
Peavy is signed for 4 years for under $15mil and is only 27 years old. Santana was 28 years old last year but the contract was for only one year.
There is no way we are going to get Peavy. I don’t care how you look at it but 4 years of Peavy is worth WAY more then 1 year of Santana.
They still might do it for the Lester, Lowrie, Jacoby, and Masterson but what is the point in filling one hole while opening up 4? We could get lucky and they would take the offer of Lars, Bowden, Reddick, Bard, and a low level prospect, but do we really need a pitcher enough to drain our farm system?
This trade will NEVER happen.
by drabidea on Oct 8, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Not to mention he has a no trade clause in his contract that he would have to wave.
Towers is student of the “Billy Beane school of fleecing” If you look, Beane has always pranced his pitchers around for everyone to see and then just one GM bites out of pure desperation and sells the farm. Lets not be one of those teams, please?
by drabidea on Oct 8, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Buchholz's season this year
Do you think the Pads would really take a Buchholz-Bowden offer? I mean, Bowden had a good year, but isn’t thought to have much more than #3 potential, and while Buchholz has ace stuff, he also experienced pretty horrible regression this year. For four years of one of the proven top 10 pitchers in the league, it would probably take a lot more than that.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Oct 8, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think we could get Peavy without offering Ellsbury, Buch and Lars
Which is a big ‘no, fuck you very much’ to the Pads. And I’m not really sure any trade for Peavy would be worth it, like others have said. He does have a nice K/BB rate, and has great stuff. But he pitches at PETCO.
You know I rather get from the Padres? Adrian Gonzalez. He has a .904 OPS playing away from PETCO, and hit 30+ HRs the last 2 seasons while playing good defense. And he’s still quite young.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 8, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never happen
Adrian Gonzalez is cost-effective, young, and would be a beast outside of PETCO. I’d be shocked, shocked if we pry him away from the Pads. We’d have to get fleeced.
I wanted the Sox to trade for Gonzalez when he was a minor-leaguer with the Rangers and blocked by Teixeira.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 8, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course you'd have to find a position to play him.
Unless you think Lowell’s going on the DL next season with as much commitment as Schilling has shown this year…
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Oct 8, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another option is needed with essentially the same meaning as the second.
w/o the Buch=Cy Young mention though
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 8, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who's the joker?
Dane (Boston): Keith, would CoCo and Bowden get it done for Jake Peavy? How about Coco, Bowden and Lugo for Peavy and Khalil Greene?
SportsNation Keith Law: No, and no.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Oct 9, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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