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What can be said about this, tonight? A satisfying win, of course, if frustrating for awhile. Jon Lester was all we could have asked for for 7 innings, even if he ran into trouble in a couple of those innings. Never allowed a leadoff hitter to reach base for the Angels in either of his starts in the series. He's taken the mantle from Beckett, at least temporarily, and the ALCS rotation needs to be made out in such a way as to maximize the impact he could have for us.

Oki was okay to start the 8th, but walked Mark Teixeira on four pitches. In came Justin Masterson, and I hope I'm not the only one who wasn't too sure about him coming in to face Guerrero and Hunter. I'd have preferred MDC myself, and he only reinforced that when he eventually came in in the 9th. Anyway. That particular situation is only worth remembering for something I harped on in the thread: MDC is our second-best and second most-talented RP. He needs to be treated as such. If he was available tonight, he needed to be in to face the Angels two top RHHs in the 8th inning with a runner or runners on base.

Mark Kotsay played a good game at 1B tonight, and absolutely smoked a ball in a bid to win the game before Jed Lowrie came up. Youks looked good at 3b, and that's good news, because that's where they'll probably both be playing for the duration of the Sox postseason run.

Jed Lowrie. Bam. He did that kind of thing for us for the good part of the season (if not in walk-off style), and he looked like himself there again. Very Bill Mueller

I'm out. An awesome win tonight, we advance to face the Rays. No doubt there'll be plenty of coverage in that respect before Friday: Let's just enjoy this one for a little while.

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I had to work, so I was watching back and forth, back and forth, but wow. Just wow.

It didn’t feel like the Sox were going to win this game. It just didn’t feel right. I mean, the 9th was bad enough: Bay gets unlucky and gets a double when that, 9 times out of 10, is at least a triple or a home run. Then Kotsay send a rope down the 1st base line and Tex snares it. I just didn’t think it’d work out, but then Mr. Jed hit a ball that OH SO BARELY got through the infield — inches. That’s all it was.

Best ALCS possible this year: Red Sox, Rays. Can’t wait to watch it.

by Randy Booth on Oct 7, 2008 2:00 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two best teams in baseball, no question.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Oct 7, 2008 3:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angel Player as classy as Angel Fan...

John Lackey :

“It’s way different than last year,” said Lackey, who was 0-1 with a 2.63 ERA in two starts this postseason. “We are way better than they are. We lost to a team not as good as us.”

and this is my favorite…

“[On Sunday] they scored on a pop fly they called a hit, which is a joke,” said Lackey, referring to a popup that was misplayed into three runs. “[On Monday], they score on a broken-bat ground ball and a fly ball anywhere else in America [except in Fenway Park]. And [Pedroia’s] fist-pumping on second like he did something great.”

You know I wanted to just congratulate the Angels and their fans at being a great organization and an amazing year…but, Eff them. Everyone says these guys play baseball the “right” way, but truth is the organization act like 16 year old girls pissed off the captain of the football team just asked another girl to the prom. They bitch about everything and deserve to lose.

Whats the quote? IF you want to be the man you have to BEAT the man… Red Sox Nation learned that lesson the hard way, Angels and their fans want things given to them.

So Mr. Lackey why did you lose to an obviously inferior team? LOL..

Perhaps…. Boston ERA = 2.69 Angel ERA 4.67 or how about the 8 for 40 with RISP?

Yeah its Fenway and the bloop singles…

What a classless team, organization and fanbase. Gene would be embarrassed.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 3:12 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They need a new team leader

Over at Halo’s Heaven John Lackey has been referred to as the team leader. They need a new team leader if John Lackey is that guy. His defense let him down, but he shouldn’t show that frustration on the mound. I particularly thought that with Kendrick’s bobble last game. There was no way Ellsbury would be doubled-off at 1B. One team, one goal. Act like a leader and pick your defense back up.

Any team that really believes in itself would feel like the “better” team lost. You have to think that way if you want to succeed. However, you’re supposed to exhibit good sportsmanship and congratulate the other team on their victory, not put down the accomplishment.

I suppose all of the Angels’ singles are a great accomplishment versus Pedroia’s double off the wall. Boo hoo.

Lackey acts and looks like a boorish, back-woods dump truck driver, with apologies to any classy dump truck drivers out there.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 7, 2008 10:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Congratulations to the Red Sox and their fans.

The Red Sox played well and deserved to win.The Angels,on the other hand,played like crap and we got what we deserved.I hope we meet again next October .The Halo will shine in 09.

by wings on Oct 7, 2008 5:58 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you

Actually, I think both teams did not play their best. Pitching was good on both sides. Hitting was definitely lacking from both teams though. I think the Angels defense did them in, but there is no doubt they are still a great team. I’m sure we’ll meet again!

by 808BostonFan on Oct 7, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Morning All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew I’d fall asleep so I set the DVR; man was I happy when I watched the ending!!!!

I don’t think Lackey’s boorishness reflects on the entire team, he’s just a poor sport but better next luck next year SUCKA!!

I know the Sox/MFY rivalry is unique but the Sox & LAAAAAAAAAAA have quite a thing going on.

Again. thanks for the threads!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Oct 7, 2008 6:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

same here

Had to get up extremely early today so I recorded the game, went to bed early and then checked the computer at 4:30 this morniing! Just watched the highlights on ESPN and am dead tired but so pumped up it doesn’t matter. I’ve been saying all year what a lucky break it was Lugo got injuried (Tito wasn’t going to take him out) and Lowrie has played ever since. Can you picture Julio getting the game-winning hit? Of course not.

Congrats, especially, to Jon Lester. He has been THE MAN this season. Let’s just hope Josh Becket returns to form. That’s a must. Poor Mikey……what a frustrating season for him but, being the team guy he is, I’m sure he was as happy as anyone else last night.

 No Schilling, No Manny, No Lowell, Drew and Beckett missing months and now playing hurt,…….but the TRUE GRIT Sox keep on keepin’ on!!!!!!

by ccthemovieman on Oct 7, 2008 7:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's only a rivalry

if the other team occasionally wins a few….

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Oct 7, 2008 9:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big win for our BoSox

They continue to prove it’s the organization and the WHOLE team, not a few key “stars”. Let’s just hope my Patriots can make it this far.

Blogger at SBNation's New England Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit

by MaPatsFan on Oct 7, 2008 7:25 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few thoughts about last night and the series

The better team won. It’s as simple as that. The Angels are an awful defensive team. When your best glove is at 1B, you’re in trouble.

Youk (.222 AVG 1 RBI), Ortiz (.235 AVG 1 RBI), and Pedroia (.059 AVG 1 RBI) were awful at the plate. Bottom-of-the-order hitters—Tek, Lowrie, and Coco—scored 2 runs each. Mark Kotsay hit .300 AVG and made some very nice plays at 1B. Talk about momentum sucking …

In last night’s game we saw the worst in both managers: Tito’s loyalty to a player who didn’t deserve it (Masterson) and Scioscia’s masterful ability to run himself out of innings. I’m a Francona fan and think he is one of the best managers in baseball, but his use of Masterson in this series was borderline criminal. Twice Tito brought Masterson back out to start an inning after the reliever struggled the inning before—and each time it almost cost the Sox the game. Masterson walks too many hitters to be used in big spots in close games. He also isn’t a groundball pitcher. Scioscia is a decent manager, who traditionalists overrate because he plays “small ball.” The squeeze play was inspired, especially since MDC was busting Aybar inside to prevent it. The threat of the squeeze is almost always better than the play itself. Thanks Scioscia!

John Lackey is punk. His body language on the mound is awful, which shows his teammates up when they make bad plays behind him. Twice Jon Lester outpitched him. Kendrick’s bobble didn’t cost the Angels a run. They weren’t going to double up Taco. The ball wasn’t hit hard enough. Also, with two outs, Ellsbury scores from first just as easily as Tek scored from second on Dusty’s double.

Again, on the Orange County defense, Willits’ dive made a single a double (he was lucky that ball went into the stands). If Willits is your defensive replacement in RF, you’re team is in trouble.

Finally, someone tell Jason Bay not to slide head-first into the plate. That’s a great way to break a hand or finger, or jam a wrist. I guess it’s just a case of Bay being Manny ….

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2008 7:32 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Great post, man

I just disagree about Youks being awful at the plate. He made good contact on lots of pitches, just wasn’t getting hits. He also worked the pitcher pretty well. Dusty and Papi were indeed pretty bad.

Jon Lester > John Lackey, for sure.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lester is definitely better.

And while Papi struggled, he had a key hit off K-Rod in game 2, a double which set up Drew’s blast.

by 0157H7 on Oct 7, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Willits probably should have caught Papi's double

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When your best glove is at first base, then you're in trouble?

Why’s everybody looking at us?

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 7, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great post Drugs

Also, as maligned as Varitek is bc of his stick, he makes up for it behind the plate. How many times have we seen catchers come unglued in a situation like the one with Willits?

I can not wait until Friday —am bummed that Monday’s game is an afternoon game as I am stuck in class from 330-830. Go Sox!!

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Oct 7, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Class on Columbus Day?

I think skipping out is your patriotic duty.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 7, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would skip but can't - am skipping class on election day--working the polls

I really, really want to watch the game— have lots to delete from my DVR to make room for it…

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Oct 7, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW!

I admit it; I thought the series was going back to Anaheim when the Halos had a man on 3B with 1 out.

Although it was exciting, there wass absolutely no reason for Scioscia to call a suicide squeeze. A medium range fly brings home that run. If Scioscia didn’t think Aybar could put the ball into the outfield, pinch hit. It was one of many critical gaffes over the course of the series that allowed the Red Sox to scrape an ALDS victory. And I’m glad the series ended last night. The Angels looked like they were on the cusp on playing good ball.

My hat’s off to Mark Teixeira. The man was a stone-faced killer the entire series. If Big Tex walked if he didn’t see his pitch, and he made several run-robbing plays defensively at 1B.

My series MVP votes are split three ways: Jon Lester, Jason Bay, and Howie Kendrick. I’m not sure who helped the Sox the most.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 7, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tex stole at least three doubles from us

Including a game winner from Kotsay last night. Tex guards the line like nobody I’ve ever seen, including Youk. He’ll be getting a monster contract from someone next year. I wonder if Anaheim will show him the money.

by 0157H7 on Oct 7, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Angels know what’s good for them, they will.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 7, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From LA Times
“I’m [ticked], I’m upset, this one’s going to be with me for a while,” Hunter said. “It doesn’t feel good, because we’re a better team than they are. But they’re moving on.”

The Angels are going home, their next few weeks sure to be filled by bitterness and emptiness.

“I didn’t make any plans until Halloween,” Teixeira said. “I fully expected us to be there at the end of October.”

Can somebody please explain to me WHY THE FUCK they think they’re better than us? Sox Run Differential in the regular season: +151; Angels: +52. Hunter and Tex could just shut the fuck up.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Angels live in LaLa Land.

I said it up top, they are a classless organization. Every other team including the MFY would of just tipped their cap and shut up.

Anyone think D. Jeter would of made a comment like Hunter and Lackey last night?

Red Sox are better bc the Sox have Jon Lester, great defense and got hits when people were in scoring position.

If I was M. Scoscia I would tank in 09, get fired and take Lou P.’s job in Chicago when Mark Cuban buys the Cubs in 2010. He has a better chance to win a 2nd WS in Chicago.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love how when pointing out the runs that Lackey thought we didn’t deserve/we’re lucky to get, two of the 3 plays were due to Angels poor defense. It turns out that how good or bad your defence is contributes to whether you are the better team or not. You can’t just pass off a poor defensive play as us getting lucky. Did Lester somehow get lucky by not giving up a run all series? Did the sox get lucky by having better team offensive stats in every category besides SB (which they are only 9 behind, which is actual low when you consider that speed is one of their offensive strengths). Where the sox lucky by having an equally good team pitching year, statistically at least (only .02 lower team ERA, only .01 lower team WHIP, sox had over 80 more team SOs, and SV are stupid because they had 1/3 more SV opportunities, so all that tells us is they had more close games)

So, despite the Angels paying many more games to teams with records under .500 (their entire division besides them had sub-.500, while the Sox entire division besides Baltimore all had over .500 records), they still produced inferior offensive stats, similar pitching stats, and I don’t think anyone would disagree that the sox has a greater defense, and this all adds up to…..the Angels being a better team. Yeah, makes perfect sense Lackey and Hunter.

I don’t mind Tex’s comment as much. He wasn’t saying anything negative about the Sox, just that he believed in his team was going to go far. Shouldn’t all competitive athletes have the sentiment? Lackey and Hunter though, with all due respect to those Angels fans out there that do have class (i.e. wings comment above), and other Angels players as well with class; Lackey and Hunter are a bunch of classless, whiny bums. Had we lost (which could have easily happened with the amount of talent the Angels have), I highly doubt you have heard Lester, or anyone else for that matter saying “We’re a better team then them, they just got lucky”

by Realistic on Oct 7, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tex seems like a class guy

I almost want to sign this guy. He’s a stud with the stick and with the glove. Will be overpaid, but fuck the heck, right?

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is clutch

I mean he probably saved the Angels around 4 runs just by having him at first base.

I would be all for Tex coming to Boston, but what do we do with Lowell then? Platoon Tex, Youk, Lowell and then maybe give Youk a some starts in the OF? Use Lowell, Papi and Youk as a DH during the season?

Do not know how it would work out…

by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In case anyone forgot,

we drafted Teixeira in 98, but didn’t sign him. Quite the player.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Oct 7, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You Fucking Chowder heads keep talking about Angel fans not having any class,

look how much shit your talking, so we lost go fuck yourself and keep your fucking mouth shut. you guys have this Idea that your better than other fans and its what makes you the least classy fans in Baseball. Keep talking shit because it will be that much sweeter when Tampa bends you over in the LCS and gives you a nice ass whooping. FUCK YOU ALL,

by I-Hate-Boston on Oct 7, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+16,000

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 7, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, I don't even like clam chowder

MGBB this is for you " punks jump up to get beat down"…

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Oct 7, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love chowder

It’s a great soup.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2008 10:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brand fucking Nubian, great stuff

I have a “one for all” poster in my bedroom. I don’t like chowder as well. I’m really not big on any soup.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Angel fan is now a Rays fan

LOL, priceless.

Maybe you guys can jump on the Dodgers bandwagon as well when the Sox get to the World Series…

I never thought I would wish for MFY fan, but Angel fan has driven me to the unthinkable.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 7, 2008 5:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...it makes sense to me

if the Rays beat the Sox then it means the Rays played the team that beat the LAAAAAAAAAAA…oh wait; what was the point again?

Oh, right – the LAAAAAAAAAAAAA are victims of what I call " the other lose" ( it stills means you lost but it sounds better because its different)

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Oct 7, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To expand:

I really, really don’t want to dislike the Angels. I think they’re a well-run organization, probably top five in baseball. The produce first class pitching talent, and have a nerve-wracking and aggressive offense on the basepath. They’re definitely one of about six or seven clubs that when they make an acquisition, I have to seriously ask myself “how worried should I be?”

And in person, for the most part, they are knowledgeable, passionate, and not jerk-offs.

That said:

For the last two years’ playoffs, I’ve watched certain online Halo fans (again with certain admirable exceptions) go through the following pattern:

a) talk insane amounts of shit before the games;
b) instantly collapse into back-biting, in-fighting and recrimination when their team (again) fails to perform on the field;
c) blame the loss on one or all of the following: (1) Boston fans; (2) the umps; (3) ESPN; (4) the money spent by other teams; or (5) the players they were thoughtlessly praising less than a week before, regardless of fault;
d) give up on their team before its season is actually over;
e) spam/flame other fanbases (read: Boston), and then pat each other on the back over how poorly and classlessly they can lose; and
f) masturbate self-indulgently about the noble tragedy of it all…

I’d love, in this instance to congratulate the team and the fans on a well-played, and thoroughly palm-sweat inducing series, but enough is enough. I say they’re a disgrace to the team they cheer for and the sport they follow, and can go fuck themselves…

Rock me, sexy Jesus...

by nuthinboutnuthin on Oct 7, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very well said.

Here, here!

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 7, 2008 10:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey

God loves you too, man. Quit on the hate.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is classy, too:


Erick Aybar throws a hissy-fit.

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"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 8, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...Or he is being attacked by an invisible enemy.

Choose.

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 8, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Invisible Bees

It’s gotta be.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 8, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What do you think the umpire is yelling at him?

It looks like “sit DOWN!!”

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 8, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

g'day all

I’m in the U.S. and saw game 1 live, pretty cool stuff.
Real class post above, what a turd. Hey Angels, you need to actually need to play the field and hit with runners on in order to win at this level.
Surely, they didn’t think they were better then we were this year? Lets see them get 95 wins playing NY, Toronto and the Rays as often as we do.

by sydneysox on Oct 7, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know what?

I’m glad we lost that game. I wish we hadn’t lost the series, and it’s painful to watch the team go home AGAIN in early October, but I’m glad we lost.

I remembered last night why I watch baseball. Because, at the heart of it, it’s a friendly competition between a couple of groups of guys. On any given night, any given team can win.

I don’t buy into the BS on here that the Red Sox were the “dominant” team and “clearly” were going to win, and I don’t buy that odd sense of entitlement the Sox (or a great number of fans, at least) suddenly acquired four years ago. It’s kind of fun to watch a fanbase start winning and then accuse other fanbases of the same sort of dredgery they practiced for…I don’t know, decades.

But that doesn’t matter. In this particular series, you guys simply outplayed, outclassed us. We made some dumb mistakes, sure (suicide squeeze? seriously??). Some crucial calls didn’t go our way, sure. TBS was as annoying as h-ll to listen to, sure. But that’s baseball! Anything can happen at any moment in the game, and it isn’t over until the fat lady sings.

This series really put things in perspective: This isn’t simply about winning. It’s about cheering for a competitive group you love to watch and hoping they put their best effort out there. When it becomes all about the World Series, and the team’s worth becomes all about winning that ring, you become George Steinbrenner. And I think that’s the one thing (or, person) we can all agree on despising.

I know your tendencies are going to push you to write this off as some kind of rationalization. It isn’t. As you probably saw on Friday night, this series was getting under my skin in a big way. Watching a team we knew could perform much better than it ultimately did hurts. But losing is enough to take a step back and ask “why is this such a life and death matter?”

But it was damn exciting to watch these two teams go at it for four games. To finally see a competition was awesome.

I tip my hat to Sox and wish them the best of luck against the Rays, regardless of how I hope that series ultimately turns out.

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 7, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you, I think

Although I don’t think the BS here was any worse than the BS on Halo’s Heaven. I don’t know anyone who like the coverage on TBS, so we agree on something. As for Red Sox fans, some annoy me too. However, I think much of the bandwagon talk is overblown. From reading other team sites—especially AL West teams—Angel fans don’t have a great rep either. The simple fact is winning breeds contempt. Everyone loves to talk about how the Rays are a great story. If they win this year and are good again the next few years, they’ll be hated too.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 7, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably true

I think the great thing about the 2000s is the number of “underdog” and “curse-breaking” stories we’ve seen: The Angels in 2002, the Sox in 2004, the White Sox in 2005, the Tigers (kind of) and Cardinals in 2006, and now the Rays in 2008 (maybe/hopefully). I’ll admit that contempt for Boston comes partially out of them becoming a dynasty, in a way, especially if you go all the way again this year.

As for the fan-bases, I suppose it’s kind of like I once heard a girl describe a particular frat to a friend: “They’re all nice one-on-one, but put ‘em together and they’re a bunch of a-holes.” I think that can be said for a lot of teams…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 7, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody other than the team's fan-base likes a dynasty, I get that

However, I don’t get much of the Red Sox hate these days. Sox fan-base isn’t really worse than most of the teams, this is a well built team that doesn’t just ‘buy talent’ the way the MFY did, and most of our players are really nice guy (come on, who can dislike Wake?).

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 7, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's more the way

That many media pundits seem to have all jumped onto the Sox wagon on the victory field in 2004. That a lot of annoying celebrities (Ben Affleck, Jimmy Fallon, Dane Cook [though Cook’s at least still quasi-funny]) are kind of obnoxious about it, etc.—this goes along with the general perspective (esp. on the West coast) that ESPN and the like are obsessed with East coast sports and behave as though sports west of the Mississippi don’t exist, esp. in CA (Lakers, maybe, and Trojans, maybe, being the exception). Case in point, ANA won in 2002 and Chicago won in 2005 and the media dismissed them as an anomaly, the Sox won in 2004 and the media jumped all over them as the next great thing—even though at the time they won their championships each team had comparable talent.

Or here’s something else—when’s the last time you heard Sports Illustrated, ESPN, TBS, etc., talking about the Giants’ curse? Seems to me it’s been 54 years since their last ring…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 7, 2008 11:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You do remember that in 2004 the Sox came back from down 0-3 to win it all, right?

Because that was amazing. Not the break of the curse, or shit like that. But the comeback. It’s quite a story, something a Sox fan will tell their grandchildren. It was beautiful. This year, however, the media loves the Rays more so than they love the Sox. They’ll go where the bigger story is. whether it’s a comeback, or a bad team turning awesome.

Ben Affleck is annoying, I think we can agree on this for sure. However, he was in Chasing Amy, and that’s one of the best movies of the 90’s.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 8, 2008 12:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course

Just like the Angels coming back from 5-0 in 2002 Game 6 is something LAA fans will tell their grandchildren. ;-D

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 8, 2008 12:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You were making some sense

and then you jumped the shark.

Dane Cook is not funny.

Dennis Leary on the other hand…

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 8, 2008 12:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"We've got TWO Jews on this team, Mel!"

Dennis Leary is classic.
Link.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2008 12:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Note

That I said quasi—I enjoyed Cook until his talent died about a third of the way through “Retaliation”…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 8, 2008 12:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait

Jimmy Fallon and Dane Cook are Red Sox fans? Ok that is annoying.

I personally only like Steven King as our Celeb Sox Fan.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 8, 2008 1:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and Dennis Leary….

by SoxAcumen on Oct 8, 2008 1:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just saw that simpsons episode.

LOL

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 8, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m confused:

I don’t buy into the BS on here that the Red Sox were the "dominant" team and "clearly" were going to win…

I just searched for the words “dominant” and “clearly” on this page … nope. Nothing. Not sure what you’re talking about, man.

by Randy Booth on Oct 7, 2008 11:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't

referring to anything you said in this particular post. I’m referring generally to the automatic assumption, upon learning the 2008 postseason match-ups, that the Red Sox would “easily” win the series. I should think Sox fans know better than anyone that past results in a team-to-team match-up mean nothing in the here and now…

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 7, 2008 11:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And there were probably differing opinions on why

the Sox might “easily” win the series. Sure there are some who thought “well, f, omg lolz, Sox always have the Angels number! Sox in two!”. I’m sure there were also plenty who thought, well, at some point the way the Angels won all their games this year has to catch up to them, and any sabermetric arguments basically took/take the Sox’s side based on many of the overall numbers for the two teams.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one suggested the Red Sox would easily win the series. The Red Sox were undoubtedly the underdogs according to almost every newspaper, every magazine, every sports program.
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  1. Boston Globe: Dan Shaughnessy and Adam Kilgore pick the Angels in five, while Bob Ryan, Nick Cafardo, and Tony Massarotti pick the Angels in four. Amalie Benjamin picks the Red Sox to win in five.
  1. Tim Kurkijan, ESPN: Angels in five. “Now this is a hard one. The Angels beat the Red Sox eight times in nine games this season, outscoring them 61-33. And yet, the Red Sox swept the Angels out of the playoffs in 2004 and 2007, winning six straight games by a combined score of 44-16. Maybe none of this means anything, maybe it was too long ago, maybe so much has changed since the two teams last played in late July. Still, it makes a fascinating series even harder to pick.”
  1. Ken Rosenthal, FOXsports.com: Angels in five. “The Red Sox are the Red Sox even without Manny Ramirez, but the Angels possess home-field advantage and are 8-1 against the Sox this season. If Beckett isn’t Beckett, the Angels’ chances will be that much better.”
  1. CBS Sports staff: Danny Knobler, Eric Mack, Scott Miller, and Adriane Rosen all pick the Angels in 5.
  1. Jose Mota, Yahoo! sports: Angels. “Recent failures in October should have Angels ready to continue their run. Red Sox will miss Manny Ramirez, period.”
  1. Yahoo! sports staff: Tim Brown predicts an Angels sweep, Jeff Passan picks Angels in four, and Gordon Edes likes the Angels in five. Steve Henson is the lone staff member going with the Red Sox, picking Boston to win in five.
  1. Bill Plunkett, Orange County Register: Angels in five. “The Angels lost to the Red Sox in the 2004 and 2007 playoffs for a simple reason and it had little to do with homefield advantage – the Red Sox were the better team each time. The roles are reversed this year, particularly when the health issues of each team are taken into account. It’s a thin margin, though, and the homefield advantage could prove to be the difference.”
  1. John Shea, San Francisco Chronicle: Angels. “The Red Sox aren’t all about small ball. They still have plenty of big-time players, but health is a serious concern. Right-hander Josh Beckett (oblique), third baseman Mike Lowell (hip) and outfielder J.D. Drew (back) are hurting, and they’ll be facing a well-rested roster in the only first-round series matching teams that appeared in the 2007 postseason.”
  1. Evan Grant, Dallas Morning News: Angels in four. “Boston’s offensive edge was not evident during the season series when the Angels won eight of nine games by a combined score of 61-33. The Angels scored at least six runs in seven of the nine games – and all but three were played before Mark Teixeira landed in Orange County. Los Angeles was 48-9 when scoring at least six runs. Unless the Red Sox get to the Angels’ rested starting pitchers quickly, there won’t be a repeat World Series champ.”
  1. Harold Reynolds, TBS: Angels.
  1. Mike Phillips, Miami Herald: Angels in five. “The Angels play like a NL team (129 stolen bases, 50 sacrifice flies) and have enough pitching to stop an ailing Red Sox team.”
  1. Ryan Fagan, The Sporting News: Red Sox in five. “Angels closer Francisco Rodriguez set the single-season record for saves (62) this season, but Boston’s Jonathan Papelbon has yet to allow a run in 14 2/3 career postseason innings. The Red Sox have the best trio of starters in baseball in righthander Josh Beckett, lefthander Jon Lester and righthander Daisuke Matsuzaka. Beckett and Lester have both started and won World Series-clinching games, and Matsuzaka’s uncanny ability to wriggle out of jams helped him fashion an 18-3 record this season.”
  1. Vegas Insider: Angels in four. “A short five-game series favors Boston, a team currently hampered by some key injury issues. Plus, the Red Sox are the defending champions loaded with veteran talent. However, Los Angeles is the better team this season that appears to have Boston’s number. The Angels finished the regular season with the best record in baseball, and have the best reliever in the game to close out games. Los Angeles finally reverses its postseason losses to Boston and advances to the next round.”

by Charger567 on Oct 8, 2008 12:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great minds think alike.

Although you did way more research. Nice job!
[My post below was a couple seconds after yours.]

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2008 12:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well actually, that’s from a Boston Globe article. Probably should have mentioned that.

by Charger567 on Oct 8, 2008 1:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All right

Fair enough—though to be completely fair, Jose Mota is an Angels announcer and Bill Plunkett writes for a Southern CA newspaper…;-D

Light Up That Halo!

by Clutch on Oct 8, 2008 12:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lot of people picked the Angels.

For example, the sports writers at the Boston Globe picked the Angels to win by a vote of 5-1 (Amalie Benjamin was the lone Sox voter).

Look at ESPN’s predictions. I count 12 of the voters picking the Angels to win the Series, versus 6 picking the Red Sox. 7 voters picked the Angels to win the World Series, versus only 2 for the Sox.

I was a little worried that the Angels would win the series when it began. Our team limped into the playoffs, with Drew and Lowell as big question marks. With Dice-K looming for game 5, and the score so close last night, a Sox series victory was very much in doubt up until the very end.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 8, 2008 12:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't compare Lowrie to Mueller...

Mueller hit a true single up the middle, Lowrie hit a ball that barely got out of the reach of Hendricks and there is a good chance he would got the ball if he was playing a bit deeper…

The Angels bad positioning and fielding played as much to their defeat as Sox hitting, there was lots of luck on the Sox side, much like Youklis’s double in Game 1 in the ALCS.

by superferret on Oct 11, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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