Not Impressed.
via www.projo.com
DP: Because he's awesome, not because he's actually part of the story.
If you've noticed the fanshots by bsetcetera lately, you know there've been a lot of rumors and news about the Sox flying around thusfar in the offseason. I'm less than impressed by the quality of those tidbits (as opposed to the impressive tenacity displayed by bsetcetera in linking these rumors). Let's take them one by one, shall we?
A.J. Burnett = NO!
Unlike my esteemed diseased colleague, ecoli, I'm not wild about the idea of A.J. Burnett. He's going to cost a lot in years and dollars, and this article about Derek Lowe makes me think he'd be the better bet both in performance and health despite their differences in age and workloads. And this is anecdotal at best, but he seems like the kind of guy whose dedication isn't exactly consistent from week-to-week.
Derek Lowe = YES?
If the previous paragraph doesn't tip you off, I'm not against signing Derek Lowe this offseason. I realize that there were very real "makeup" questions in his last couple seasons in Boston, and certainly he and the FO should be on the same page as far as those are concerned. However, if a consensus can be reached on that, then a 3-4 year deal for money in the low-to-mid teens almost seems prudent, even given our current economical situation.
Jason Varitek to the Tigers = HWa?
There are, if not every, many indications that the Tigers want to cut payroll this offseason. Sure, there are some pros for the Tigers in this: among a potential group of Dusty Ryan, Brandon Inge (even though he probably is going to be at 3b next season), and Jason Varitek, I'd be more inclined to want to trust a questionable pitching staff to Varitek. On the other hand, he throws no one out, and he's not going to be cheap, which plays against Detroit's budget concerns.
Jason Varitek returns to the Sox = HWa? Part 2.
You'll note I'm not in love with this either. Buch had success with Varitek once, and Daisuke and Beckett are developed enough as pitchers to not need his expertise, such as it is. He and Wake don't work together, and any pitchers we bring in would have shown success elsewhere with other catchers. That only leaves Jon Lester who could be assumed to have some stake or need of Jason Varitek behind the plate from a pitching standpoint. It could be a risk, but I'm inclined to believe that John Farrell and Jon Lester himself are at least as responsible for the steps Jon took this season as Varitek might be. I'm not saying I think he's bad at calling pitches and being a leader on the field. I think he's good at those things. I just don't think he's at all the only person out there who can be good at those things. It'll come down to price and years for me, because I also agree that the other options around are not a hell of a lot better in the short-term.
Matt Holliday = C'mon, seriously?
Don't get me wrong, I think he'd still be a great hitter outside of Coors. He's clearly made strides and separated himself from the other Coors products of the last several years (Garret Atkins, anyone?). The point is, is the difference between he and Jason Bay worth what we'd have to potentially send out with Bay? The answer to that question should invariably be no.
Kenshin Kawakami = Hmm, at best.
Intriguing. My concern would be the same as everyone's. Is he a Kuroda or an Igawa? Something in-between? He'd be an interesting lower-cost option to Burnett or Lowe. I'm not even sure such signings would be mutually exclusive.
Mark Teixeira = We're gonna need a bigger boat.
I. Um. S. F. I got nothing. And so much. Let's just say I'm with those in the camp that Mike Lowell's injury does serious damage to his already somewhat questionable trade value. Close the book on that one for now.
Brett Myers = HAHAHAHAHAHA Really?
Upset about how he was treated in Boston? I'd cry for him, as he clearly expects, but I'm too busy laughing at him. I was sure the link would take me to the Onion or something. I'm upset about my treatment in every city in which I've been violent towards women. I mean, what do fans in those cities expect? I have to get my jollies somehow.
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Nice post, Allen
I’m with you on Burnett and Holliday. AJ isn’t worth the $15 million he’ll likely cost. Also, Burnett is anything but durable. He threw 200 innings in only one of his three years in Toronto.
As for Holliday, he and Bay are similar players. The Sox will have to give up a lot to get Holliday and then pay through the nose to keep him. He is one year away from free agency (which is why Colorado wants to move him), and Scott Boras is his agent. While Holliday is a good hitter, he is no Manny Ramirez. I’d pass.
I’d also like to see the Sox get younger at catcher. Martin (if the rumors are true) or Teagarden would be nice. I’d trade anyone but Pedroia, Youk, Lester, Beckett, Paps, or Buchholz to get either one.
I’m not sure what to make of the Tex rumors. I can’t really see the Sox paying $20 million for a 1B. I also think the Angels are serious about keeping him (they dumped Anderson’s $14 million), and the MFY need him.
Aside from upgrading catcher—and maybe SS—the Sox don’t really need much. Another bullpen arm would be nice. Perhaps their biggest need is an improved bench.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 31, 2008 7:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A point about Holliday
It’s been alleged that Holliday at sea level is not nearly the hitter he is in Colorado. I looked at the numbers and while he does have tremendous home/away splits, his away numbers are still very good. In fact, they’re slightly better than Jason Bay’s.
Holliday’s away splits
2008: .332/.413/.584 = .891 OPS
2005-2007: .296/.370/.486 = .856 OPS
Bay’s away splits
2008: .289/.376/.498 = .874 OPS
2005-2007: .267/.355/.501 = .856 OPS
For the record, Holliday had a 2008 home OPS of .997 and Bay’s was .913. I’m forced to conclude that Holliday is, in fact, a better hitter all-around, but not significantly so. Therefore, why would we trade away a large amount of player capital to acquire Holliday? Keeping Bay is a far better bargain for the Red Sox. The Holliday deal won’t happen.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 31, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
When I say that Holliday is not a significantly better hitter than Bay, I am making that comparison mainly on the grounds of away splits. The 0.084 difference in home OPS is a measurable and meaningful difference, but to say that it would entirely carry over from Coors to Fenway is unrealistic.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 31, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on.....well everything
If DLowe and the FO can bury some bad blood go for it.
Make a trade for a young catcher that Tek can mold into a great backstop.
Upgrade the bench and bullpen.
by drabidea on Oct 31, 2008 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nowhere other than OTM
would you read the words “my esteemed diseased colleague.” Great work Allen.
Can’t imagine Derek Lowe coming back. He’s too old and probably pissed off ownership. The fact that they didn’t offer him a contract in 2005 was really revealing. Besides, I can’t imagine the distraction that having Lowe and Heidi Watney in the same park would cause. Might make for a good NESN reality show – “The Home Wreckers.”
Also, I wouldn’t mind bringing Brett Myers to Boston. It’s been AGES since we tarred and feathered someone.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 31, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about him being pissed at Sox ownership still, I thought I read in the globe that he wants to return to the Red Sox:
by Realistic on Oct 31, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not Lowe being pissed at ownership
but vice versa. I really don’t think they like him. They didn’t even offer him a contract, despite winning every clinching game in the 2004 playoffs.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 31, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, Allen
Brett Myers is an ass. I can’t believe there’s such a thing as a ‘nice’ wife beater. He’s not a nice guy.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 31, 2008 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly “If people knew him they would know he’s not a monster” anyone who beats his wife IS a monster, there is no way around that
by Realistic on Oct 31, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FREE AGENT UPDATE
Catcher Toby Hall is eligible after Chicago declined a $2.25 million option. He batted .260 with two homers in 41 games last season.
Starter pitchers eligible for free agency include CC Sabathia, Ben Sheets, Derek Lowe, Ryan Dempster, Jon Garland, Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte, Randy Johnson, Randy Wolf, Braden Looper, Jamie Moyer, Oliver Perez and Pedro Martinez.
A.J. Burnett will decide on opt-out by start of GM meetings Monday. As you all know, he is expected to opt-out for free agency.
Manny Ramirez filed for free agency today. It’s rumored that he spurned a 2 year, $60 M contract extension from the Dodgers to seek something more along the lines of 4 years, $80 M. I’m guessing he’ll make more than $20 M annually, on average.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 31, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Griffey, Jr. also become a free agent today.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 31, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC
Why are the Sox not making a better push for CC? The bigger issue this season was starting pitching. I mean the hitting did not always come up big, but we got plenty of hits we needed. The starting pitching was rocky and never enough (Schill, Bart, Buch, Mast, Colon…). A rotation like 1. CC 2. Lester 3. Dice 4. Beck and 5. Wake would be incredible. And if one got injured, Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden, or Zink would be waiting.
"We're not going to give up," It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."
by revigik on Oct 31, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
C.C. will cost over $20 million a year, for 7 or 8 years. He has a large build and an enormous number of innings on his arm. He’s pitched over 250 innings in each of the last two seasons (counting October). The Front Office has expressed concern over his durability, and I agree; he’s the number one candidate to have his arm fall off. Or turn into Bartolo Colon.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 31, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Making the post season wasn’t our problem, it was winning in the post season, and both this year and last year CC was just burnt out by the time the post season arrived. Now this could easily be because of overuse in both season, but for I’d rather not fork up the money he’s going to command to find out. And that just a season to season look, just like 0157H7 points out, we have yet to see the career-wise damage this kind of mileage on his arm will be
by Realistic on Oct 31, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'm confused.
Does the title and the this:
I’m less than impressed by the quality of those tidbits
a suggestion that I should work harder on this stuff? Or that they aren’t great leads? Thanks for the other compliments, I’m just filtering MLBTR’s stories to ones that concerned the Sox and any targets we are going after. For other stuff: www.mlbtraderumors.com
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and TIMMAY!!!!
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 31, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not your fault at all, bsetcetera.
Just feel like many of the rumors that are out there aren’t as well thought out as their writers think they are.
I’m with you and MLBTR in the whole “reporting everything so things aren’t missed” thing being a good thing.
In other words, keep it up.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Oct 31, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's always the case.
Probably 70-80% of the stuff on MLBTR is just sportswriters speculating, or responding to chatter from unimportant people like scouts (or disinformation from agents / execs). Very little of it is sourced information from legitimate people.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 31, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know.
Really was just voicing overall frustration.
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
by Allen Chace on Oct 31, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't like trying to speculate WTF the FO is doing?
[turns and puts giftwrapped Baseball Mogul 2009 CDROM into shredder]
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. Just trying to figure out if that was constuctive critcism.
For future reference, my name could be shortened to “bs” – unless someone else has that name.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never trade a horse for two ponies
the only acquisition that makes sense is Texiera
Way overpay for him (like Manny back in the day) and leave the rest alone
Papi and Lowell can DH, if either is healthy
oh, and Theo, draft a hitter someday
by Frank Malzone on Nov 1, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft a hitter?
Dustin Pedroia, 2nd round 2004
Jacoby Ellsbury, 1st round 2005
Lars Anderson, 18th round 2006
The Red Sox can’t get the top hitting talent in drafts because of their winning ways – they don’t pick very high in the drafts. Theo’s tried drafting hitters, especially at positions up the middle (Will Middlebrooks, Ryan Dent), but most have yet to pan out.
Manny was and is a much better hitter than Teixeira. Manny’s going to the Hall of Fame; Tex is headed to the Hall of Very Good.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 1, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacoby mention didn't help much.
Malzone’s a MFY fan. http://www.sbnation.com/users/Frank%20Malzone
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Malzone? MFY fan?
That’s like a Sox fan taking the name Bobby Murcer.
Plus he lists himself as a Sox fan, I’ll take his word for it.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Nov 1, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see that.
Only saw the 60+ comments over at Pinstripe Alley and 1 here.
My bad.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always posted as a Red Sox fan
in case you read any of the entries
last winter, I bet jscape that Lester would get more wins than Hughes
I have reminded him many times since
by Frank Malzone on Nov 1, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
You just discover that it was linked to other sites, including this one?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I with you.
Sign Tex, don’t bother with any other big names.
I’d dangle Lowell to see what we could get, but worst case scenario he’s a major upgrade over the Mayor.
Though I’m with 0157H7 on the drafting. Considering we never have high enough picks for the Justin Upton types, we’re doing pretty good.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Nov 1, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think for now on, I'll do FanPosts with a few links in it...
Unless I’m in a rush and need to post something that isn’t long enough (75 words). That way people will see it when they load up the front page, instead of having to scroll down.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unrelated, but I just noticed this on DRB and I can't comment (banned AGAIN), so would someone be kind and help me out?
http://www.draysbay.com/2008/10/27/647577/fan-loyalty
bs.uf15bosox9bears23 SAYS:
You might want to factor in the number of seats available in each park. The Trop held as much as 40,473 in the World Series, 36,048 in the 2008 regular season, 38,437 in the 2007 regular season, and 45,369 in the 1998 regular season. Citizens Bank Park held 43,647 starting in 2007, 43,308 in 2006, and 43,500 in 2004 and 2005. Before that, Veterans Stadium in Philly held 62,306 for baseball in 2003, it’s last year. It’s kinda hard to fill up a stadium that averaged 10,000 more seats than the Trop.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh
You know what’s lame? I open SI.com, and on the frontpage there’s Tim Tebow running for 2 TDs… I can’t think of anything more boring than college football.
I miss baseball. Thank god for the NBA, because otherwise I’d be as good as dead in these 5 months or so every fucking year.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Nov 1, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey MGBB...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exZ0eBZa7y4
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I would like done...
1) Sign Teixeira, he is the best FA bat available currently and IMO take the Sox to a level that other teams would have to make moves to get too or not make the playoffs.
2) Sign Lowe, Ive been thinking about this and for the money, years, experience and the injury risk (Burnett, CC and Sheets), D. Lowe is the best fit. Slot him in at #4 and the Sox rotation is pretty bad ass…Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Lowe, Wake/Bowden/Buchholz.
3) Sign Kawakami, Japanese pitchers are 50/50 and the Sox have been 2-0 on them so I say lets keep going to the well until it dries up. Its just money and we might find another Okie steal. Plus, being the favorite MLB team in Japan has its rewards. Junichi Tawaza, the 18 year old who wants to go to the MLB from High school, has stated he wants to play for Boston.
4) Sign a FA catcher or Tek. Either does not matter. With Teixeira, even a .220 catcher would not matter. We can hide Varitek in a lineup with Teixeira and Bay.
5) trade Coco to Chicago for Sean Marshall, the lefty relief pitcher. That would give the Sox a reliable lefty in the pen to add to Masterson, Okie, Delcarmen and Paps. Our staff would be very nice with the 5 starters and a bullpen with 2 lefties and 2 righties setting up Paps.
6) see if anyone will take Julio Lugo’s contract.
7) Either make Mike Lowell a “super sub” or move him to Minnesota or Chicago White Sox for anything.
I think the Sox should let the Rangers stew on their catching surplus until the price comes down or they are willing to move Teagarden. Young Pitching > Young Catchers. Sox have the prospects everyone wants… let them come to the Sox. If the Rangers would do a Buchholz for Teagarden straight up or something similar, I would jump on that in a second.
by SoxAcumen on Nov 2, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
Never heard of either of #3, but totally agree with 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7. I’m sorry, but Lugo has just been injured and now his value would be even lower than last year in the off-season. So is Tek’s.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Nov 2, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Japanese pitchers are kept secret.
You weren’t invited, sorry. Joking.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 2, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Lugo
But there are teams who would want him if the Sox eat some money. San Diego comes to mind immediately and they have relief pitching and prospects (soon to get more off the Peavy deal).
by SoxAcumen on Nov 2, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Responses
I’m sure NG would disagree with you on #4. Two words: Momentum… (wait for it)… Killer. Personally, I’m OK with ’Tek in a declining role.
The Red Sox should keep Coco until the trading deadline. He’s been very useful as a versatile back-up/starter in the OF. You’re not going to find a better guy out there to fill that role.
I think Texas will surprise people and deal Saltalamacchia instead of Teagarden (wisely).
Lugo is irrelevant in Boston with Lowrie up in the Bigs. They’ll probably make a competition out of it in Sprint Training, hope Lugo does well, and deal him.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Nov 3, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fairness
I just do not think its fair to hold onto Coco if he wants to leave. He is a starting CF and many teams would trade for him now and start him now.
If he wants to stay, fine no problem. But I think the Sox should move him out of respect. Plus there are 5 teams who need a starting CF. Why wait.
by SoxAcumen on Nov 3, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a newbie - so be kind
But didn’t we trade Manny away to save a boatload of money? Doesn’t this team make a boatload of money? Shouldn’t we throw a boatload of money at the best 1 or 2 free agents available and fill in around them with our fantastic farm system? Forgive me if I sound too much like Joe Yankee fan, but if we are going to have one of the highest payrolls, why not go after the big fish – especially now that we lost one of our biggest stars (Manny) and perhaps could be seeing a decline in our other biggest bat (Ortiz)
(again, be kind, I’m just a humble Celtics fanatic who also likes the Sox)
by Jeff Clark on Nov 3, 2008 7:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if we saved too much in the short run
by getting rid of Manny, although in the mental health area I think we saved a heck of a lot! In general, I would argee with your analysis if the funds are there. The one big caveat that I would add is that age must be integrated into the buying equation. We want good performance going forward, and we want it for an entire season! You do not get this kind of perforamnce too often with older players that have done well BUT IN THE PAST! Better to go young with your farm system prospects and take a chance that one will click (the Pedroia syndrome if you will), IMO.
by NG on Nov 3, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The Sox make bank, and they can afford whoever. I am ll up for spending money (or them spending their money) to get big names, so long as that person won’t end up an albatross (like say Zito, Pavano, and Lugo). I could see CC going albatross. Sheets and Burnette too.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
by tommy.otm on Nov 3, 2008 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much the common opinion.
The lineup issue seems to be the hold-up with most fans.
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 4, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome. And to answer your question...
My understanding is that the Sox traded Manny because they 1) liked Bay and thought he might be an upgrade, and 2) wanted to get him outta there. Money didn’t really enter into the equation. The Sox were already looking at a big amount of money coming off the books with Schilling ($8 million) and Timlin ($4 million) gone, along with Colon and probably Byrd.
The issue with free agency is that the Red Sox may not gain much by hurling money around. Most of the top free agents (Burnett, Sabathia, Sheets) in this market are pitchers, but the Sox rotation is largely set, especially with Wakefield re-signed. The top position player is Mark Teixeira, and the Red Sox are purportedly in on him. However, Tex can realistically only play first base, and we already have a great player there in Youkilis. Youk could move to third, but Lowell may be healthy enough to start there. Add in the fact that the Red Sox top positional prospect is a first baseman (Lars Anderson), and signing Teixeira really doesn’t seem like a priority.
If there were a 20-homer catcher on the market who batted over .270 and could draw walks, Theo would be throwing money at him, but there isn’t. Our front office loves to spend money, but intelligently, on needs and undervalued players. They’ll overpay occasionally (Lugo), but rarely on the top prize of free agency.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Nov 4, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would sign Tex, at all costs. Losing Manny’s contract will allow for this.
Sign Millar to fill the Sean Casey role.
Do whatever it takes to trade Lugo, this is going to be hard to do.
I have no doubt Lowell can be traded away for a decent package to the Indians or Twins.
Do not sign Lowe, AJ, or CC find out whatit takes to get Peavy, and get it done.
by matzushocka45 on Nov 3, 2008 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Sox don't want Millar
They wanted to get more professional and less goofy.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Nov 3, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
has a no trade clause and has stated he wants to be in the NL. Peavy is not an option.
by SoxAcumen on Nov 3, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't rule out the AL.
There are two American League teams on his approved list. Those are the Angels and the Yankees. His agent has said he will not approve a trade to the Red Sox.
by Schulz on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowell could take over the Casey roll, no?
Could we trade Lugo for a Pokemon card from some kid in Fenway Park?
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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 4, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mew, Mewtwo
Rayquaza, Kyogre and Groudon are the top ones on my list. I’m sorry, I used to love Pokemon when I was little. Then a summer camp some kid went on to my gameboy, deleted my 100 hour + account, and renamed it “butthead” and I had to start over again. I know I am a nerd, was.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Nov 4, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking, but okay.
Showing the relative value. Oh, and I played one of the originals for a few days, then sold it for a little more than I bought it for. Went out, bought a new glove, small bucket of balls, and about 100+ baseball cards. I got a bit obsessed with baseball, until my knee went screwy. Oh well, still got the arm, glove, and one hell of a f’ed up swing that still works pretty well. And the mind to do quick stats and angles (OF was always fun).
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 5, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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