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Manny: 2 years, $60 million?

Let me preface this by saying it's wild rumor and speculation. But on the off chance that there's a scintilla of truth to it, I'll link to the story:

The Dodgers have offered Manny Ramirez a two-year deal worth $60 million to remain in Los Angeles.

But are the Dodgers serious about having Ramirez return or mollifying their fans?

According to a person familiar with the Dodgers' thinking, the offer was designed to appease the team's fan base rather than actually retain Ramirez, who saved the Dodgers' season with two sizzling months in which he batted .396 with 17 homers and 53 RBIs in 53 games and continued to mash in the postseason, batting .520 with four homers and 10 RBIs in eight games.

If I were Manny, I'd go for it. [Aside: the presence of the word "mollifying" in the New York Post is anything but soothing. Somehow, an English major has found his way into that esteemed sports section. I can only hope the native savages will honor and worship him as a god rather than devouring him in their ignorant rage.]

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Manny for 2 years at $30 million a year?
What are you, high?
82 votes
Some journalists will believe anything.
25 votes
Manny is a franchise player - an elite hitter with an Adonis-like physique and intense focus. He deserves every penny he gets. All 600 million of them.
44 votes
If Dodgers owner Frank McCourt wants to stimulate the economy, shouldn't he spread the wealth to more than one person?
36 votes

187 votes | Poll has closed

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It's unconfirmed ...

and sounds like a Scott Boras-created rumor.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Oct 25, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See 2007 WS, Arod.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 26, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$60 million is 6 billion pennies. Sounds (more) obscene when you put it that way, doesn’t it?

by darkwing on Oct 25, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It does.

Sorry about the mistake. I can’t imagine what happened to the other 5.4 billion pennies. Wherever they are, I’m sure they aren’t being melted down to create a zinc-copper orbital laser to DESTROY YANKEE STADIUM provide legitimate personal defense.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 26, 2008 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 26, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 26, 2008 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bidding for the "Man Child"...

Has only begun. Following his M.O. Scotty Bora$ will make sure this isn’t the last rumor that hits the press! He will find his dance partner when it comes to finding a GM dumb enough with the appropriate pocket depth to give “Ice-Cream Man” a contract that he can understand and or sign…

Now when it comes to dollars and cents I don’t see any GM quite dumb enough to offer him Dodger type funds over a 5 or 6 year period. I want to point out real quickly here that the original stance from Bor-AAAS (insert my Boston accent) was that Manny wanted 100 Mil. for 5 Years and he just may get it since he has slickly added both yrs. and financial demands to this supposed sweetheart deal as of late so that when the teams come back down to “Planet Manny” he will be a happy child… On one hand Scott is got a great poker face but on the other all MLB Executives and Decision Makers should be seeing right through this routine by now!


by New England Sports Blog on Oct 26, 2008 7:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I can only hope the native savages will honor and worship him as a god rather than devouring him in their ignorant rage."

Manny will never be able to keep up the pace of the last 2 months, and indeed, the Manny being Manny crap will soon return on some minor issue to poison his play. Remember that the Dodgers are NOT in the WS, so what is all this money buying?? As the author’s saying above implies, what I predict is that if the Dodgers pay Manny this and he inevitably does not carry the team to super heights, this fan support will indeed turn around and devour him. He will then go into a deep funk and everyone will be miserable in LA or on whatever team makes this sin. Count on it!

by NG on Oct 26, 2008 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Read more carefully.

I was referring to whoever at the NY Post chose to use “mollifying” in the article, not to Manny Ramirez. It was a joke that had nothing to do with Manny.

As for your belief that Dodgers fan will turn on Manny, it’s certainly possible. However, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Ramirez take to the laid-back West Coast, and continue to play well for them. Obviously he can’t keep up his Herculean hitting, but he should continue to feast on NL pitching.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 26, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'll be happier out there

Manny always lamented the fact that he can’t simply go out to eat in Boston without being hassled. Sorry, Manny. That’s what happens when you’re worshipped and stand out in a crowd. In contrast, Manny is a lot less likely to stick out in LA, and that town also has a familiar celebrity culture.

That’s not to say that Manny won’t sour and find some other reason to be unhappy. I doubt the fans will treat him as well as Sox fans have historically over the long haul.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 27, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree w/ 0157H7

Manny will obviously not be able to maintain the 1 RBI per game pace that he set for himself, but he won’t stop hitting. Though his numbers will tail off a little, they will still be impressive, and the fans of his new team (whoever that may be) will blame somebody else if they don’t make the playoffs, WS, etc.

by Schulz on Oct 26, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you shoot your team fanancial wad on one player, then

that player is responsible for the inability of the team to afford a team, so to speak! In that respect, if the primadona can’t carry the team all the way, he IS to blame in the giant scheme of things!

by NG on Oct 27, 2008 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But,

Lets say that Manny hits .325, 48 HR, 145 RBI, and the Dodgers miss the playoffs.

by Schulz on Oct 29, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then he's selfishly wracking up big numbers

instead of helping his teammates win the game. See Rodriguez, Alex.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good article on Manny in today's Globe.

Here.

I like this part:

Ramírez quietly endeared himself to his Boston teammates in other ways, from opening his wallet to help young players like Dustin Pedroia upgrade their wardrobes to withdrawing from the race for the 2003 AL batting title to benefit Bill Mueller. Mueller entered the final day of the season batting .327 to Derek Jeter’s .326 and Ramirez’s .325.

Ramírez, rather than compete for his second straight title, opted to sit out the final game after the Sox clinched a playoff berth.

“I haven’t said this to anybody until now, but Manny told me, ‘I want you to win, I’m not playing,’ " recalled Mueller, now a special assistant to Colletti. "How great is that?”

After Jeter went 0 for 3 and dropped to .324, Mueller batted once, grounding out weakly, to finish at .326, 1 point ahead of Ramirez.

“My knees were shaking, I was a wreck,” Mueller said. “If Manny played that day, he would have won it easily because he’s so good.”

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 26, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere in a fetid cave off I-495 in MA...

[An old man sits in front of an enormous computer. An air of mingled grief and rage hangs about him, as the glare of the monitor illuminates against the all-encompassing darkness.]

[Suddenly the computer starts beeping and whirring, and brings up a feed of the sky above Boston. There, towering over the city of Boston, rising above even the Hancock and Prudential Towers, is the signal – a caped, cowled Crimefighter, kicking a poodle. It is the insignia of Dan Shaughnessy, aka GNAT-MAN.]

Globe HQ: We have alarming news for you, Gnat-Man. Read this article.
[He peruses the piece.]
Shaughnessy: Great Carl Everett on a Geological Expedition! This is just what I’ve been looking for. Finally, conclusive proof that Manny Ramirez willfully decided to play worse for the Red Sox. Quick, Eldred, fetch me my costume and pen… Very good. Now, To the Gnatmobile!

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 26, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that Cal Eldred?

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Oct 26, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live out here in LA

and this is how its turning out.

Every fan in LA wants Manny to come back regardless of the years or money. They want Manny locked up for 5-6 years 25 million a year, no problem.

Frank McCourt on the other hand has been doing the radio shows and he does not sound too enthusiastic about signing Manny. He still has Juan Pierre’s, A. Jones, and J. Schmidt’s contracts to pay off. McCourt sounds like a man who is going to do the bare minimum and say Manny did not want to sign, they did what they could, hoping Manny signs with the Mets or Phillies a long way from LA.

I very much doubt Manny will be a Dodger next season unless Manny cuts a huge deal.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 26, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan Pierre. Ug.

What an awful signing.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 27, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

Why can’t Frank McCourt pay me to lead the league in outs created?

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll work for the MLB player minimum!

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 27, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God the rays are choking this series away. It just makes me think more and more we shouldv beaten them.

by spinz on Oct 26, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They were crazy hot when we faced 'em

I mean, Upton was hitting anything even near the plate really hard. Now, they can’t hit a 3567 years old mummy or Steven Blanton Seagal.

And Blanton hit a HR. God, E-Jax sucks…

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 26, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah they were a good team this year, but theyv suddenly reverted to “devil rays”. I’d feel bad if i hadnt seen rays fans being reallllly obnoxious. Guess thats the internet for ya.

by spinz on Oct 26, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nearly all of Rays fans

Deserve the beating they got today.

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 27, 2008 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not all Rays fans.

Some managed to remain humble. Some have followed the team for years and finally got to cheer when they had a good run.

However, some Rays fans, including Sandy Kazmir, have been completely ridiculous and began to change my feelings toward the rays from admiration to annoyance.

by Schulz on Oct 29, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said nearly.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Nov 1, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's called momentum.

The Sox lost theirs by having too many ???? (guess the term) including inept pitching. Peaking the Momentum at the perfect time is the key to winning at this level, IMHO

by NG on Oct 27, 2008 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep and thats exactly what the phillies have done, theyr hitting hard with momentum right now and its hard to imagine the rays bullpen being able to turn that around (nevermind the offense).

by spinz on Oct 27, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If not for the words after the blank, I'd say injuries.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 27, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, but

i would’ve thought that the rays would have more momentum coming into the WS after just winning a dramatic 7-game series, while the Phillies had a long layoff.

by Schulz on Oct 29, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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