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Around SBN: Terry Collins, David Wright, And The Mets/Brewers Kerfuffle

Red Sox Off Season Moves

Great Season injury bug hurt them alot this year, with that in mind.....how about if Mike Lowell is not bavk to form this winter following his hip surgery, we limit his time during the season and move YOUK to 3rd full time he showed he can play the position fine, and we go after Texiera. Ortiz needs someone to protect him and while YOUK did a great job this season he is not the big hit threat Ortiz needs behind him. This way Ortiz is protected in the order and we do not lose anything on the defensive end because im sure if you watched the first series vs. the Angles big Tex can handle the bag.

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the Sox #1 target this offseason is Mark Teixeira. So everyone might get what they want.

by SoxAcumen on Oct 23, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Tex

Are you basing that on anything other than the original post, or is it just speculation?

by Schulz on Oct 23, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was more about how many reports about it have surfaced.

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, maybe I'm missing parts of the plan that everyone seems to have.

Tex 1B
Youk 3B
Bay LF
Coco/Ells CF (whoever is left after the trades)
Drew RF

Where does Lowell go when he comes back? Would he be willing to be a Casey-like sub?

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Lowell

Could be traded to a team thats near contention and lacks a 3B, off the top of my head I can think of the Indians, Twins, Brewers, and Dodgers. I’d love to sign Tex but I’m worried that Angels will re-sign him, and if not that, the Yankees.

by Gnick on Oct 23, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I do live near Tampa.

If only I could purchase a gun and drive a vehicle (without adult supervision). I kid.

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Indians

are not smart enough to trade for Lowell.

They clearly have a huge 3rb hole because Marte is the worst major leaguer or a middle of the pack AAA player you pick but they wouldn’t be willing to deal their mediocre farm players for a player like Lowell even if it did give them a solid bat and glove they sorely need. Dodgers are always willing to trade for veterans but if they bring Manny back Lowell and Manny would cause chemistry issues and they already have on bad seed in Kent to deal with. Twins could be a sneaky team but I don’t think they would do it. Trading Lowell would be hard for many reason including the fact that he is a good player and a good club house guy.

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by E5 on Oct 23, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Lowell and Manny would cause chemistry issues"

Why? I never heard any issues specifically between them.

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 24, 2008 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lowell is a loyal player...

I doubt he was too happy about Manny sitting out.

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by bdalebs on Oct 26, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he isn't traded

Lowell can sub. Youk can also play some LF, shifting Bay to RF and Drew to CF. And everyone needs breathers – especially Drew. Shuffle people around, and play the hot hand.

But I would think Lowell has some trade value, especially if we eat some salary. He’d be an upgrade for the Phillies, Rangers, Indians, White Sox, Giants, Astros, Brewers, Marlins, Twins…

Manny ain't the only bad man.

by tommy.otm on Oct 23, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of a team that would be a good fit:

They have an aging SS that is forcing a two-time Gold Glove winner to play 3B instead of his natural position, SS. Move the younger player to SS, move the aging player, whose defense is getting worse, to 1B. Then bring in Lowell, who created about the same number of runs as the player they had at 1B before.

Can you guess what team I’m talking about?

Links:
Former 1B
Lowell: http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lowelmi01.shtml

If you can, who would we want in return?

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

http://riveraveblues.com/2007/12/10/prospect-profile-austin-romine-1655/

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats:

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=33697

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or:

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=33900

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

More on the second idea:

Organization’s prospect list
bleacherreport
Both of the above prospects played together in Low-A Charleston this season.

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not gonna happen.

I just can’t see any of this actually playing out. The Sox and Yanks just don’t make deals with eachother. End of story.

by Schulz on Oct 23, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can dream can't I.

What if neither GM was told what team or players they were dealing with? Just stats?

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOWELL TRADE ISSUE:

He has a no-trade clause. See her: http://www.overthemonster.com/2008/10/23/641459/massarotti-offseason

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by bdalebs on Oct 23, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh.

I didn’t think the Red Sox included no-trade clauses on principle. I wonder if Mazz has his facts right.

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by SoxDevil on Oct 24, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

*here

Obviously. A no-trade clause has no gender.

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by bdalebs on Oct 26, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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