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Alicea out as first base coach

According to Sean McAdam from the Herald (oooh, that sounds weird), the Red Sox coaching staff will stay intact for 2009 with the exception being first base coach Luis Alicea:

The club announced yesterday that pitching coach John Farrell, hitting coach Dave Magadan, bullpen coach Gary Tuck, bench coach Brad Mills and third base coach DeMarlo Hale all were retained for 2009, but the Sox didn’t offer Alicea a chance to return.

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But indications were that Alicea had a philosophical clash with manager Terry Francona, likely leading to his dismissal.

The Sox did not announce a replacement for Alicea, but they likely will find another Spanish-speaking coach who can communicate with the team’s Latino players.

I guess finding another Latino to coach first base ... makes sense? Obviously, being bi-lingual would be huge for a Red Sox team that has historically had a clubhouse of many languages.

I wonder what the "philosophical clash" with Francona was. Alicea was also in charge of infield play and baserunning, so perhaps Alicia wanted to unleash the running game even more but Tito didn't? Who knows. It'll be interesting to see who will slide in at first next year.

Good luck to Alicea in the future. Alicea is a former Red Sox slugging second baseman in 1995. So much so that I can't even find a picture of him from that season...

Who I'd like to see coach first base in 2009: Any Red Sox from the 1995 squad ... Mike Greenwell, Tim Naehring, John Valentin, Roger Clemens or Tim Wakefield. Oh, wait, about that last one...

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"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Oct 23, 2008 3:12 AM EDT reply actions  

That went well...

I’ll just provide the link this time.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Oct 23, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, thanks for showing me up…

by Randy Booth on Oct 23, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I ballsed up the HTML first time,

if that makes you feel any better.

"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"

by britsoxfan on Oct 23, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lugo?

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Oct 23, 2008 6:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmmmm … intriguing. Maybe the Red Sox can buy out his contract and pay him peanuts to coach 1B? I like that idea :)

by Randy Booth on Oct 23, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

77% success rate on the bases.

IF defense, aside from Lugo and Cora’s no range job at SS during the regular season (he actually looked fine to me during the playoffs), looked excellent.

Also, keep in mind that like 300% of our CS’s were as a result of botched hit-and-runs involving Varitek.

"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"

by Allen Chace on Oct 23, 2008 6:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

And Alicea played a big role on the development of Dustin Pedroia, so I’m really not getting this…

Mother---- him and John Wayne!

by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 23, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Philosophical clash?

“But indications were that Alicea had a philosophical clash with manager Terry Francona, likely leading to his dismissal.”

Luis Alicea: “You know, I think Manny Ramirez is a manifestation of the Nietzschean superman.”
Terry Francona: “What epistemological basis do you have for that?”
Alicea: “What do you mean?”
Francona: “Are you reaching that position through sensation, or have you arrived at it a priori?”
Alicea: “I’m just making a valid observation, based on reason and evidence, and my own interpretation of nihilist philosophy.”
Francona: “Well, if you can’t describe how you got there, how do you where you are going? You need a firm epistemological foundation before you can explore the ethical dimensions of player characterizations.”
Alicea: “I think that’s a logical fallacy. Anyone can make moral judgments. For example, imagine that Manny Ramirez is in Nazi Germany. If he were asked to cooperate in the Holocaust, would he demand a trade to the Soviets? Would he be ethically obligated to follow his own self-interest and moral compass, or to defer to an admittedly corrupt ruling class?”
Francona: “Look, Luis, I’ve had enough of your tangential twattle. If you don’t refine your reasoning, I’ll see to it that you don’t receive tenure.”
Alicea: “That is IT. I’m SICK of your neo-Kantian Solipsistic Objectivism!
Francona: "Fine, see if anyone else in baseball will appreciate your Regressive Post-Modern Pluralistic Positivism!”

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Oct 26, 2008 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Good God

You lost me on the last 2 exchanges.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Oct 27, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got lost after this:
You know, I think Manny Ramirez…

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bdalebs on Nov 1, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, this quote:

“I guess finding another Latino to coach first base … makes sense? Obviously, being bi-lingual would be huge for a Red Sox team that has historically had a clubhouse of many languages.”

I have been a Sox fan for a looooooong time and have been questioned by many as to how I can root for a team so lacking in diversity. The questions stem from the Yawkey history & the “climate”. I am not saying diversity for diversity’s sake or race/ethnicity was an issue in this case & do not think the current owners are Yawkey-esqe but the Sox have not been “historically” known for diversity.

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Oct 30, 2008 6:52 AM EDT reply actions  

We had a lot of Spanish speaking players a few years ago.

But now the damn racists in the FO are putting on their KKK robes and getting rid of all of the black, Hispanic, etc. players, and then screaming “White Supremecy!!!”

My God people, this stuff isn’t important unless you have some sort of proof that it is being done on purpose.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bdalebs on Nov 1, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I beg to differ as reasonable people do ...

It is important & " a lot of Spanish speaking players" does not = “historically”.

You felt it important enough to comment without reading my post & letting it sink in- your post was reactionary & somewhat defensive. You lowered the tone with the KKK/White Supremacy foolishness.

You are sadly missing the point…reread my post – what did I write about the current front office? In your usual haste to be flip you must have misread my words.

The climate in Boston, New England and the Red Sox org is not & has not been a secret – even Peter Gammons referenced it when the ‘Sox pursuing Bonds’ talk was going on…

Look, it is what it is

"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."

( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)

by MassGal on Nov 4, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry if I seemed disrespectful.

I’m only saying that this shouldn’t be that big of a story. I was making a hyperbole when I was “lowering the tone.” I hope that the coincidence of the Sox not being diverse doesn’t make you any less of a fan of the team.

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bdalebs on Nov 6, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

The Red Sox historically haven’t been diverse, especially the farther back you go.

I haven’t heard much about the new ownership group on race. Manny did call the ownership group “white devils” (Seth Mnookin’s Feeding the Monster). I don’t know if that’s just MBM or if it was a response to actual racism.

"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.

by 0157H7 on Nov 5, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Alicea had FSU ties *sob sob*

Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Oct 30, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

They tied him up?

Why must they be holding people hostage? Just take the money and drugs (not the person) and go. Stupid Crimi-noles. : )

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

by bdalebs on Nov 1, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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