Game 5 Postgame: Can you believe it?
by 0157H7 on Oct 17, 2008 12:53 AM EDT
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With J.D. Drew's 9th inning double off JP Howell, the Boston Red Sox have completed the greatest comeback in ALCS elimination game history. They were down 7-0 to start the 7th inning.
Then Grant Balfour and Joe Maddon allowed the Sox to get back into the game. David Ortiz found his thunder at the best possible moment, stroking a three-run homer. 7-4.
Papelbon threw a shut-out top of the 8th, setting the stage for Jason Bay and Drew. Bay walked on four pitches from the shaky Wheeler, and Drew unloaded for a huge two-run homer. 7-6. Later, Coco "Clutch" Crisp drove in Mark Kotsay to tie it up. 7-7.
Justin Masterson got through the ninth, with a key double play turned by Pedroia off Carlos Pena's bat. Howell got the first two outs, and had Kevin Youkilis ground out to 3B. But Evan Longoria made a terrible low throw, which bounced into the stands, sending Youk to 2B. Bay was IBBed, setting the stage for the man of the hour - J.D. Drew.
Savor the moment, Sox fans. The bats are back. The sleeper has awakened. And we're coming for you, Tampa.
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"Then Scott Kazmir, Grant Balfour and Joe Maddon allowed the Sox to get back into the game. "
How did Kaz have anything to do with it?
Whoops. Will be changed.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Give proper choking credit to Dan Wheeler.
by steve-o1285 on Oct 17, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry.
But this was a team effort (or at the least, a bullpen, manager, and 3Bman effort). No one Ray will be singled out. And the Sox bats woke up at an opportune time, as well.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Kazmir had thrown 110 pitches. I think that you can say that he did his part. Balfour, Wheeler, and Howell have been overworked and overexposed. They didn’t mix fastballs with off-speed pitches effectively and the Red Sox made them pay.
Count me among those who thought that the Red Sox were dead and buried, down 7-0 mid 7th inning. But those Sox battled back and proved how capricious this game can be.
It’s good to see Papi with some mojo back in his bat.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
I was cracking wise.
Sort of like “What did Alexander the Great do to hurt the Greek Empire? He died.”
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Who starts Game 6? Beckett or Lester?
Carlos and Victor Zambrano have exactly the same number of career postseason wins. Who would have thought?
I think Lester should go. Use the best you’ve got in every elimination scenario.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Yes, go with Lester
Other managers in the past “saved” their best guy for later……and later never came.
Win TONIGHT and worry later about tomrrow, or there won’t be a tomorrow. (That’s unless Beckett has made some miracle recovery that all of us don’t know about)
by ccthemovieman on Oct 18, 2008 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to pretend that I like the Red Sox...at all...
but congratulations you guys, that was utterly amazing.
And a series it is again…
Wow. Hell of a game. Congratulations.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
I jinxed the Rays, I can't believe hahaha
And Kevin Millar, anyone? “Don’t let us win tonight”…
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
Also
I think i speak for everyone around here who’s a Sox fan: I just love this fucking team.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
I can't watch anymore games ever.
I was WIPED from working late last night and then having to go in early this morning. I was asleep for the whole thing. I cannot watch anymore games this postseason.
Boo. on that, and boo to me. But go Sox!
"Are you a real doctor, or a doctor like Dr. Pepper is a doctor?"
For your amusement and enjoyment
I especially like how around the 7-8th inning we had a nearly 0% chance of winning. I also like how the win probability jumps from around 65% to 100% in the 9th. Good times.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Source is fangraphs, obviously.
Link.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
I hope Wall St. follows suit.
These days the stock market looks like that chart turned upside down. But that’s a subject for another blog…
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Man, whatever happens from here we have to remember the sox have showed their heart with this game, and this series is far from over.
second this
an amazing comeback from an amazing team, playing through injuries and naysayers…love these guys.
by 808BostonFan on Oct 17, 2008 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I called my girlfriend just before the 6th
I said ‘no more baseball this season, sweetheart, the Sox are dead’. I feel like such a quitter…
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
i got home when the bottom of the 7th had started,7-0, and i just turned it off, next thing i know i turn around and its 7-6. Unreal.
I wondered about people who left early
You know someone did!
by SullyBaseball on Oct 17, 2008 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
My parents scored tickets to this game, and, unbelievably, stuck it out through thick and thin. Good on them! I’m jealous that they were there to see it.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
My vote would be pitied.
I can understand why some fans might leave early, but the truth is you just can’t. As the fangraph above shows, the win was essentially a miracle. There was almost a 0% chance that the Red Sox would win, but they defied all odds.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Coco Crisp
As Francona said, it was “his best at bat as a Red Sock”.
(I like that Francona uses “Red Sock” as the singular of Red Sox.)
Wow!
+1
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 17, 2008 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Then what?
Wake in Game 7?
If we’re going to win, Beckett and Lester are going to have a win a game each. Pitching them both on regular rest is our best shot.
If Beckett is done, so are we. There’s no other options.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Use your best first.
We don’t have to worry about game 7 unless we win game 6.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
We got to get to game 7
An All Hands on Deck game 7 with Beckett and Byrd I think is the answer.
I know Tito won’t do it, and frankly who the hell am I to question him.
It just would make me feel better
by SullyBaseball on Oct 17, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What a game!
Un(effin’)believable. It was nice to have a lead-off hitter get on base three times. I guess Coco didn’t suck too much momentum.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
Wow
I remember saying to a co-worker yesterday, “Never count ’em out. Look what they did with a 1-3 deficit against NY.” Now, if only some of this good fortune can rub off on my Patriots…
Blogger at SBNation's New England Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit
Except it was a 0-3 deficit
in 2004. Against Cleveland last year it was 1-3.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
It was 3-1 after Papi's walk off homer, technically.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
I love how after Papi hit the homer to make it 7-4
everyone in the place knew we were going to win.
Manny ain't the only bad man.
WOW!!
morning all!!
I thought this was a joke when I saw the lead post!!
"You know," Girardi said, shrugging his shoulders, "it didn't work."
( Joe Girardi on pitching to Manny Ramirez with first base open)
And I thought
this game was to be 2008’s great miracle.
I’ve said this before, but I’m starting to develop a serene expectancy of the Red Sox coming back against apparently insurmountable odds. Pedroia has carried us for a long time in the absence of our heavyweights, and it’s a delight that Ortiz, Drew and co. stepped up last night. The reawakening of Ortiz is analogous to the team’s reawakening. I didn’t watch the game live, but I know that seeing him crank one out of the park would have given me cast-iron hope.
As Millar said, ’Don’t let us win one.’ The Rays did, and I wouldn’t be in their cleats for all the tea in China. Impossibly, even with our crocked lineup, and our injured post-season pitching monster, I feel we now have the edge.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
As Millar said, ’Don’t let us win one.’
Did you ever hear golfers use the phrase, “Just one time” when attempting to make a long putt?? Whenever I her someone say this, I immediately ask them if that is what they really want the Allmighty force in the universe to grant. It is lke selling your soul for one good thing, but what about after that? Do you never make another putt again in your life?
Indeed, not just one!
I quoted Millar's comment in this thread
I believe God, or whatever the fuck there is, loves the Sox and hates the Cubbies. :)
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Uncork the momentum OR let the momentum flow!
The only way the Sox can pull this off again this year is by now utilizing this newly generated momentum to the fullest, and at all cost preventing momentum sucking/poisoning from taking over again. In that light, I propose I few momentum enhancing moves, with the biggest and most important one being to bench friggin inept Varitek! Yah, Yah, we owe him and I feel bad, but at this level at this moment, you must remove the major momentum sucker from the equation. It is an absolute imperative! If Francona does not do that, it should be his job, which should already be in jeopardy for starting Wakefield the other night, ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Finally, the starting pitchers must be stellar, but watched closely. I would almost have a backup warmed up right from the first pitch, and I would pull anyone after 2 walks or 2 hits in an inning, period.
There are systemic ways to keep the momentum going, and I have just mentioned 2. Others??
Kudos to Francona
I think Tito has already done some quasi-bold moves in an attempt to generate momentum for the Sox and squash it from the Rays. Ellsbury, benched (he could, in the end, turn out to be this year’s Dave Roberts off the bench). Papelbon, pitching in the 7th. You can’t say that Francona hasn’t done any managing this series.
I doubt Francona will be so bold as to pitch Lester in game 6, but if it’s clear that Beckett has nothing, maybe we’ll see him trot out to the bullpen to warm up? I love October baseball. Anything can and does happen!
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
Start Lester, Tito
I agree with everyone who said that. Just start Lester, and let us see what happens in game 7. Let’s just get to game 7, and try to keep some of this (here it comes, wait for it) momentum by shutting ’em down.
Beckett vs. Shields these days is just too bad a matchup. But, then again, last season we knocked Sabathia and Carmona around.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
Agreed 100%
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 17, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at my high school's homecoming game last night, so I missed the first 6 innings.
We won, 20-13, on a goal line stand with a few minutes left. GREAT GAME, but the PA announcer was giving updates on the Rays-Sox game every once and a while, so basically I was getting laughed at and threatened for wearing a Sox hat to the game (which was a BlackOut, making my navy blue hat seem not that out of place). All I kept saying is “We did it last year, and we’ll do it again. NEVER SAY DIE!!!” I’m a pretty happy young man right now.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
R.J. Anderson is a nice guy
But he’s fucking scared. Check his “Just to Clear the Air” entry. That screams ‘oh fuck’ to whomever is reading. :)
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
I might have to go remind him of my comments that got me rebanned.
http://www.draysbay.com/2008/9/27/623289/9-27-tampa-bulls-96-64-vs#comments
You can’t be born clutch, you must learn it.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
Kind of
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
National Literacy programs are wasted on failed abortions such as yourself
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t you once claim that Kazmir was the best lefty since Koufax? Doesn’t that place your IQ in the 70-80 range?
I think they have the same makeup and will have similar careers
Either was unhittable at times and struggled with control in their youth (which is where Kaz still is). I also think Kaz will have a relatively short career much like Koufax, but for the next half dozen years he will be one of the 3 best lefties in baseball in a time where offense has a significant advantage (Koufax played his entire career on a 15" mound, where Kaz, as all pitchers today, is on a 10" mound).
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t be serious. Kaz would not be in the top group of modern day lefties. Also, your revisionist BS as to what “best” means (e.g. he will, sometime in the future, be…, or that “best” means “one of the three best”…) is laughable. You are an arrogant piece of crap who is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. One can tolerate you until you go over the line and start insulting others. Just go back to your vaseline and frosted hair Kaz posters.
Wow you're really taking offense to this. The irony is not lost on me,
but when I look in the mirror at least I’m pleased with what I see. Have fun being a jerkoff.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I take offense to you trolling on other sites and posting your arrogant, insulting crap. I am fine with you posting things about baseball, even if they are remarkably stupid (see above).
If I were arrogant I would be trumpeting our lead at any point
or rubbing it in about the demolishing we gave you at your “ballpark”. I have done neither at any point over this series or any series. Out of respect to the 2-3 REAL Sox fans that I know I don’t bring up that sort of reality. Instead, I prefer to ask questions to get others point of view and end up having to defend myself to personal attacks.
Stupid is as stupid does. I could bring up Beckett being the “best pitcher in the history of post-season baseball” or how having Jason Bay over Manny Ramirez is in anyway smart, but I choose not to.
Try using the reply button, it is easier to follow.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 17, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feed the trolls, people.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
Sandy ain't a troll.
He’s a fun chewtoy.
DOGS RULE
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
Or, for those who love animals in general:
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
Awesome win last night
I see another comeback brewing if Beckett can at least give them 6 IP less then 4 Runs. Just like they have done in the past to the Indians and Yankees this is going to be fun.
I used to be an Indians fan but since moving to NH and marring a Red Sox fan and the stupid hatred the Indians fans have for the Sox, I am proud to say I am a full fledged Red Sox fan now.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
Welcome!!!
My family is in the process of converting a family friend, an Indian fan, to a Red Sox fan. Unfortunately, he and his family have jumped on the Rays bandwagon.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
Just send that person to the Let's Go Tribe
blog site on SBN and if they have any slight feeling for the Sox then they will be Sox fans for life.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Oct 17, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh
I love how nearly every fanbase hates us. It fires the players up.
I remember you from last season, I think. Welcome around, man.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Red Sox fans on here a super intelligent and reasonable people unlike on LGT. I am very happy to be a Red Sox fan.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Oct 17, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Sarcasm is hilarious.
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 18, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
hilarious
So true MerryGoByeBye.
Read the Angel blog, they are still bitter and now have adopted the Rays. Now they are obsessing about Maddon and the Rays choking like the Angels.
Everyone wants the Rays to win
Not even a comeback like last night’s changes this in people. They do realize that the Sox are not built like the MFY were, so there’s really no reason to hate ’em, right?
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Indians fans
Believe the Red Sox are the second coming of the MFY and some consider them worse which is beyond ridiculous.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Oct 17, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Fans of other teams hate the Sox because of their recent success
I think that’s natural. The MFY comparisons, on the other hand, are ridiculous. The Sox had the 4th highest payroll, over $70 million less than New York’s. The gap in salary between the #2 team (the Tigers) and the #11 team (the Braves) was roughly $38 million. The gap between the Sox payroll and the Tampa Bay Rays (#29 in MLB payroll) is roughly $90 million, only $20 million more than the gap between the MFY and Sox.
For all the Angels fan’s whining, they’ve bought quite a few players—Matthews, Vladdy, and Hunter, to name a few. If they hold onto Teixeira, it’s likely their payroll wil surpass Boston’s next year (as the Sox shed Manny’s, Tek’s, Schilling’s, and Timlin’s contracts). In fact, the Sox roster in the ALDS had a lower payroll than the Angels ALDS roster this year.
Boston’s ownership is nothing like the blowhard MFY owners. And Sox fans, even the annoying ones, do not have half the sense of entitlement that MFY fans have. How many times do you hear blowhard MFY supporters talk about pinstripes, their 26 rings, who is and isn’t a “true Yankee,” and similar crap. Sox fans never do that. If you just compare the NESN and YES broadcasts, the difference is obvious.
Also, if you compare the Sox fans reaction in last night’s game with the MFY fans in Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS you can see a very clear difference. Last night Boston fans were convinced their team would lose, despite the comebacks in ‘04 and ’07. Who could blame them? Their team was down 7-0 to a very good Tampa club. In ’04, the MFY were down by a similar deficit. When Pedro entered the game, MFY fans were convinced they would win and started chanting "Who’s Your Daddy?" while pounding the walls along the foul lines. They were convinced they were going to win just because they are the New York Yankees. MFY fans are a special breed.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sox will be 6th in payroll in 09
IF they do not add another big FA. Angels and someone else will pass us in the offseason bc of Manny and Schilling coming off the books.
There are people in America who believe the Noah’s Arc story, literally. Some people still believe in aliens coming to Roswell, NM.
When the Yankees go out and buy Teixeria, Burnett and Sabathia and still lose in the ALDS next season, people will remember why they hate the Yankees over all…
Ignorance is bliss.
Hey, don't be hating on us good Christians.
A bit exaggerated, but still fundamentally true.
And aliens are fun!!! Jk, I don’t care.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
You can still be a good Christian
and believe its impossible to have pairs of EVERY animal on a boat.
Aliens rock, but again the probability of an alien spacecraft making it to the outskirts of the Milky Way Galaxy to hang out with us is a little hard to believe…
MFY still are pure evil.
Well, the evolution arguement would come in handy here.
I’ll be damned if I can’t use it. Oh well, I’ll go with God recreating animals that Noah couldn’t get, or creating new ones.
What if they aren’t from anywhere much closer to the center, say, our solar system? And what if they wore sneakers?
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
"I’ll go with God recreating animals that Noah couldn’t get, or creating new ones."
God seems like a lazy dude, why couldn’t he recreate them all instead of giving a hard work to poor Noah?
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Testing his faith?
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
Why not give him a woman, then?
And say, ‘if you fuck her, I fuck you’. I can’t think of a bigger test than that.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a woman, no name though.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-mrsnoah.html
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
I don't think he does.
He’s also a Buckeye fan. We don’t even want to bring him near the Gators.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
I am also a Buckeye fan
and that isn’t going to change. Let me talk to him about the benefits of being a Sox fan.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Oct 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it involve championships?
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
"marring a Red Sox fan"
i don’t think that word means what you think it means.
: )
Manny ain't the only bad man.
Actually I do
2 dictionary results for: marring
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mar /mɑr/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[mahr] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), marred, mar·ring.
1. to damage or spoil to a certain extent; render less perfect, attractive, useful, etc.; impair or spoil: That billboard mars the view. The holiday was marred by bad weather.
2. to disfigure, deface, or scar: The scratch marred the table
What I meant to say was I married a Red Sox fan.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on Oct 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is sarcasm, I'm missing it
Sorry.
Mother---- him and John Wayne!
by MerryGoByeBye on Oct 17, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey man, y'all are making the whole "Wait till marriage" thing a lot harder.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
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