Rays win Game 3; up 2-1 @ Fenway.
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All credit to the Rays.
That being said, we sucked eggs today. Lester wasn't Lester and I'm actually going to give him a pass on this, personally. No, NG, he wasn't sucking momentum. Do you guys remember the last time Lester threw more than 160+ innings in a season? That's right, it was never. If he's hitting a wall w/r/t command, I'm not sure it's something we can blame him for. He certainly didn't look like he was pitching hurt, unlike Becks. Just wasn't locating.
DP rolling into that dp in whatever the f inning it is that I can't bother to look up or remember just pissed me the heck off. Few things piss me off about DP, but trying to get a hit on those low-and-away pitches is one of those things. Wait a bit on that count, DP. We had a run in, and you don't need to just jump on Howell. He didn't look rattled because of the SF to me.
Paul Byrd "saved" the bullpen, so that they'd all be ready to go in case Wake gets pummeled tomorrow. My issue with him coming in today rather than, perhaps, to start the 5th inning of Game 2 is that we were already behind. They had the "NG-copyrighted" momentum before he came in. Yeah, he could come in and keep it close without having to use MDC or Oki or somebody, but a foolish vote of confidence in Becks, truly, is what still bothers the f out of me even after an a-kicking of a Game 3 @ Fenway. This also might mean Byrd couldn't start a possible Game 6 if we get that far. It can't be Becks, and I'm not sure who else it could be. That might not be worth worrying about.
I have about as little faith in Jason Varitek right now as I do in Sean Casey's ability to snag a hot shot down the line at 1b. And yes, that's my roundabout way of saying I continue to be pro Kotsay over Casey.
I wasn't kidding in the thread. Rays: We get 2 outs rather than 3 in our innings, and you let us use DP, Youks, and Bay in the lineup over and over and over. I'm pretty sure we'd have a better shot. Much more balanced in that Rays' lineup.
On the plus side, look. Wake is going in Game 4, and he's absolutely got the ability ot keep the Rays off-balance. Game 5 is Daisuke, who DID keep the Rays off-balance in Game 1. We're not done yet, but the Rays made a huge statement with this game, and I can't remember where I heard it, but whoever said it is absolutely right: I'm among the many Sox fans who penciled in W's for Lester's starts, and this should throw off all those prognostications, a great accomplishment for the Rays.
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We need Wake to come up big tomorrow.
If he loses, I don’t see the Sox coming back down three games.
Yes we did it in our last two ALCS, but the circumstances were much different. In 2004, the Yankees were an overachieving team with shaky pitching. We had Pedro, ‘Bloody Sock’ Schilling, and Derek Lowe, the postseason wonder. Plus the best offense in baseball.
In 2007, the Indians’ top two starters were both wasted by the start of the postseason – Sabathia had thrown a million pitches and was overthrowing in each start, and Carmona had fatally overdosed on innings (witness his performance this season for confirmation of this). Meanwhile, we had Beckett, ‘Finesse’ Schilling, and a serviceable Dice-K.
This year Beckett is injured, Lester got shelled (and has thrown a ton of innings), Papi and Drew are not 100%, Lowell is out entirely, and Francona’s not managing the games to win (Beckett gets a 100ft leash in the fifth, Timlin in the 11th with Byrd still left).
And our opponent is much better. The 2008 Rays are the deepest team in baseball, and possibly the best. They defend and pitch better than anyone, and have a good offense. With Evan Longoria, BJ Upton and Carlos Pena hot, they can out hit and out score us.
Wake needs to pitch a great game for us to win. And he can, no doubt about it. I wouldn’t put money on it though.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 13, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, once again we need Wakefield
and i have no doubt that he will be fine
but that doesn’t mean i am expecting too much from Wake. just keep us in the game for a bit.
that does not mean to shut them out. that means do not panic if you get a couple of runs.
because, what we really need is the OFFENSE get going.
yeah…it is Ellsbury in a slump…Papi apparently hurt…Tek in a slump or finished (at least that is what most of you thought till tonight ; -)…and whatever…i don’t care about excuses anymore so do not bother me with any
forget about it…concentrate on this game..be aware of the situation and fight every AB with your heart AND your mind…
and i will be satisfied…even if they loose
i did not like the feeling yesterday.
sometimes it looked a bit like they already gave this game up and just wanted to move on.
but for me it is more about the fighting spirit and the bravery than it is about the result.
because one thing is to 100 % in their hands.
the success will follow then(…hopefully).
while i love watching Wakefield (and i hope he is still on when i will join the game), i am looking forward to see some good offensive baseball from the Sox tonight
WAKE UP THE BATS !
by OilCanBoyd on Oct 14, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm back from my family emergency. Not so great game tonight.
But, last two World Series years, we fell behind in the ALCS only to come back and kick the NL Champ’s ass in the World Series.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 13, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No matter what happens
I have great admiration for the grit this Sox team has shown this season. I miss Schilling in these big games but the progress of Lester and Dice-K this year is encouraging, and hopefully Beckett will be healthy come spring. The fact that we don’t have our Dynamic duos on offense (Oritz & Ramirez) and defense (Beckett & Schilling) and yet we’re still playing is quite a testimony. And, by the way, we’ve been playing since the third or fourth week of March, longer than any team in baseball this year.
Hey, if Wakefield surprises us (you never know with him), anything can happen in the series.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 13, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to include this in my above comment...
If the Sox come back to win this year’s ALCS, the fans who left early tonight should be banned from attending Sox games, buying Sox gear, etc. (unless they had a legit reason for leaving)
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 13, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
* "who left Fenway early"
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 13, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, i dont really blame people for leaving when the rays went up 9-1.
by spinz on Oct 13, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I blame them.
If I wanted tickets to the game, it’d probably cost me between several hundred and a thousand bucks. These early exiters are throwing money away. To leave a PLAYOFF game that hordes of people would give indispensable body parts to attend is inexcusable. If you’re there, you tough it out. You don’t leave after six or seven innings barring medical emergency. You stay and cheer the team.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 13, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me, it depends on the situation
If it’s a nice night out, I’m right there cheering for the Sox until the grisly end. However, there have been exceptions when the Sox get shelled (down 6 or more runs with fewer than 2 innings to play) when I’ll leave early, such as pouring rain and/or bitter cold that I may not be dressed for, and not feeling well.
I also never pay hundreds of dollars for tickets.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 14, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you leave a playoff game early?
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as I didn’t feel like shit, no. I’d be cheering for a miracle.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 15, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 15, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd cost you 40...
if you got lucky
you’re getting too excited b/c it was a playoff game. and frankly, it was never really a playoff game to begin with.
i would’ve left too and gone go game on and stared at the bartenders.
by EWS1532 on Oct 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the price of the tic's?
And to show that your a loyal fan who’s seen bigger comebacks?
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 14, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re still in this. But we need somthing from wake in game 4 or we might not be.
by spinz on Oct 13, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Lester's innings are an issue
He hadn’t thrown in a week and kept the ball up. He had a bad game, as simple as that. It happens. He looked great against the Orange County Angels. Unless you think the 14 innings he threw in the ALDS capped him out, you shouldn’t worry about Lester.
However, you should worry about the offense. Aside from beating up on Kazmir, who sucked against us this year, the Sox haven’t hit. Papi, Taco, and Tek have sucked. They’re a combined 0 for 34 in the series. I tend to blame Ellbury and Ortiz more thanTek because a lead-off hitter and #3 hitter are far more important to the offense than a weak hitting catcher who bats at the bottom of the order.
Even if Lester was sharp last night, the Sox probably would have lost. They need to score runs.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 14, 2008 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction:
He had one bad INNING. The rest of his game was pretty damn good.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 14, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But even if the unearned run stood, the Sox probably wouldn’t have come back the way they were hitting.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Oct 14, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno about that
With only 1 run to come back from, the Red Sox hitters wouldn’t have felt the need to press so much.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 15, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lester is not a Superhuman!!
I my humble opinion, the reason why Lester failed last night was that psychologically he knew the team could not generate the offense to win this series. Asking him to carry the team with no offensive capability anymore is just asking him to deny reality. How “UP” so to speak do you think he (or you for that matter) could be when you see how injuries have rob the talents from your team. It is all about momentum capabilities, but in truth, the Sox just do not have the functional talent to generate that momentum, so it drags down everyone in the “head”.
It probably is nobody’s fault, but it is a long long season, which has taken its toll on the Sox more than most. I suppose if you really wanted to blame someone/something, it would be allowing such aging players to make up so much of your team. Aging players get hurt more often and recover much slower if at all. Hint for the future—GO YOUNG LIKE THE RAYS.
by NG on Oct 14, 2008 8:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
What is going on with Jacoby? As a Rays fan, he scared me the most coming into the series (and still does). I love watching him take bp because he just drills lasers into the seats. Is he injured or is this a very untimely monster slump?
by steve-o1285 on Oct 14, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacoby
is a very talented player with poor fundamentals. Watch him bat – he’ll frequently swing at pitches deep in the dirt, whether fastballs or breaking pitches. Then he’ll take a fastball down the middle for a strike.
When he’s on, he can hit a pitch at his shoelaces, but most of the time he can’t. Ellsbury’s gotten away from taking pitches and drawing walks, which he did in the minors with success. Now he’ll swing at anything, and he’ll go through extended hitting streaks and then slump badly.
The Sox most dangerous hitters at the moment are Jason Bay and Kevin Youkilis, followed by Pedroia.
"It's just a tiny little nick, but it hurts when I get champagne in there."
- Jason Bay, on getting spiked scoring the winning run in ALDS Game Four.
by 0157H7 on Oct 14, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tito needs to adjust the line-up if the Sox lose game 4
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 14, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DP
Youks
Papi (might as well)
Bay
Drew
Lowrie
Kotsay
’Tek
Ellsbury
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.
by SoxDevil on Oct 14, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, this thinking is NOT logical!
IF the Sox lose game 4 and go down 3-1, this series is over for all practical purposes. If you really feel this way, then say Tito needs to make these changes (and others) NOW!!!!
by NG on Oct 14, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have we ever won a post-season series after being down 3-1?
Maybe someone can help out here. Because my memory doesn’t go back as far as last year. And certainly not to 2004.
Sometimes, I wonder why I bother. I really do.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Oct 14, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pep talk
C’mon, we came back against the freaking INDIANS and they had the AL Cy Young Award winner, Fausto Carmona, and we had Beckett and sometimes, Schilling as our only consistent starter(s). And our offense wasn’t great, but we had Jacoby as our catalyst. We better hurry up and get out of this and even the Series, because the Rays are a better hitting team the Indians.
Well, I'll appreciate for you to keep my zingers outta your mouth!
by BoSox415 on Oct 14, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you like to play chicken do you??
If what Tito is doing is not working NOW, why the heck wait until you are looking down that cliff to act?? Why?
by NG on Oct 14, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting that I become Red Sox skipper?
Because otherwise, it’s just micturating in the breeze.
"no1 has time to read your long comments, are you writing a book?"
by britsoxfan on Oct 15, 2008 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad fan.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 14, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BP swing and his actual swing are not the same.
His BP swing is what we hope it will be in the future.
Remember when we were kids and we mixed sodas together and called them "suicides"? It was OK though, because Dr. Pepper was always there.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Oct 14, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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